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    That would only be true if you wished to stop being VIP at some point which some like me never plan on so its actually a protection from buying what you don't need

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grecan View Post
    Does this have to do with Bravery Bonuses and Streaks?
    If i understood correctly how they work, non-VIPs can't get them, cause they can't open a quest on higher difficulty than Normal the 1st time they run it... except if they group with a VIP-player who will unlock those difficulties?

    Or maybe even the VIP ability to skip a certain quest in a Saga?


    Such choices (i bet there other examples, too) may make sense on the Marketing level [bonuses to subscribers in order to keep them satisfied], but they are illogical imo on the Gameplay level [What, i'm not elligible for braveness cause i don't pay a subscription?!? o.O]
    VIP's get a 10% xp bonus and nonvip's can open hard if they have tr'd that character once and on elite if they have tr'd twice for that character only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grecan View Post
    Well, at least it happened only once some years ago, and Turbine reversed the ban, apologised, and gave some TP present...
    There were incidents with the duping exploit where some players had their legitimately acquired stash of collectibles reduced because Turbine's scanning process flagged them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffWatson View Post
    From my experience with non-VIP guildies, the best part of being a non-VIP is the whinging, moaning and crying they do over VIPs getting 10% bonus XP. They derive immense pleasure from complaining about it.

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    For me the best reason to stay premium is the simple fact that I prefer to pay once for content/races/classes and then be done with it.

    However, sometimes I'm still tempted to subscribe. For an altoholic like me, whose first and second life characters outweigh the third lifers by far, the ability to open all quests on any difficulty looks tasty. The only question is when "can open on elite" as only benefit (ok, I'd also get 1000 TP) will start looking "26€ for 60 days" tasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grecan View Post
    I was around the time it happened, some friends of mine were banned, too, but don't remember what was the (false) reason for the ban... Were they supposedly exploiting the Dragon fight or something?

    Well, at least it happened only once some years ago, and Turbine reversed the ban, apologised, and gave some TP present... I remember thinking that maybe i missed on some easy TP by not getting banned
    But certainly, until Turbine did all that, the situation was grim.
    Supposedly thats what it was for, however, it was grossly mishandled to the point where an automated system was even sending people who had not logged on in months emails that they were banned.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vint View Post
    You could easily spend under $200 to unlock everything. If you plan on playing for at least 2 more years, you break even (100/year sub). This is a cheap price to pay for countless hours of entertainment, but I am not throwing Turbine extra money just because it is the nice thing to do.
    Players like you and others with this view point just don't get it. Turbine is a business and as a consumer paying $8.99 per month is a hug bang for my entertainment buck. You make comments like your not here to help Turbine but your more than willing to not only take advantage of what they offer but you insult them as well. This is something I have never understood with some people give me what I want for free and instead of being appreciative you basically say screw you, wow really.

    Turbine gives me as a 7 1/2 year VIP an incredible experience with a D&D based game that I truly enjoy. Paying $200 and breaking even in 2 years is your perspective? What about the 3-4 updates per year for a total of 6-8 over 2 years that you will also be paying for? Sounds to me like premium players actually pay more for the game but that is your penny spend it how you choose and so will I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorlong View Post
    Well, I like the fact that I can open on elite, I like that I have all races and classes open
    It has been a while, but last I looked, Arti and FvS were not included in the ViP package

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vint View Post
    You could easily spend under $200 to unlock everything. If you plan on playing for at least 2 more years, you break even (100/year sub). This is a cheap price to pay for countless hours of entertainment, but I am not throwing Turbine extra money just because it is the nice thing to do.
    I pay for VIP to contribute to the game I love, even though lately it has been more love/hate. I'd rather pay more to have a game longer, than save a few hundred bucks and have my game go under.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shores11 View Post
    Players like you and others with this view point just don't get it. Turbine is a business and as a consumer paying $8.99 per month is a hug bang for my entertainment buck. You make comments like your not here to help Turbine but your more than willing to not only take advantage of what they offer but you insult them as well. This is something I have never understood with some people give me what I want for free and instead of being appreciative you basically say screw you, wow really.

    Turbine gives me as a 7 1/2 year VIP an incredible experience with a D&D based game that I truly enjoy. Paying $200 and breaking even in 2 years is your perspective? What about the 3-4 updates per year for a total of 6-8 over 2 years that you will also be paying for? Sounds to me like premium players actually pay more for the game but that is your penny spend it how you choose and so will I.

    Thanks Turbine for DDO and I look forward to many more years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shores11 View Post
    Players like you and others with this view point just don't get it. Turbine is a business and as a consumer paying $8.99 per month is a hug bang for my entertainment buck. You make comments like your not here to help Turbine but your more than willing to not only take advantage of what they offer but you insult them as well. This is something I have never understood with some people give me what I want for free and instead of being appreciative you basically say screw you, wow really.

    Turbine gives me as a 7 1/2 year VIP an incredible experience with a D&D based game that I truly enjoy. Paying $200 and breaking even in 2 years is your perspective? What about the 3-4 updates per year for a total of 6-8 over 2 years that you will also be paying for? Sounds to me like premium players actually pay more for the game but that is your penny spend it how you choose and so will I.

    Thanks Turbine for DDO and I look forward to many more years.
    The one thing that brings me back to this game after 8 years is running with longtime friends. I am on no quest to be the best of the best and have no desire to post in the achievements thread.

    I will be honest with you and anyone else. The breaking point with me is when Turbine got rid of extended fire wall. I will listen to any reasonable explanation, but the only I can see is that they were wanting to push the sale of store man pots. Either that or they just nerfed something that did not need it. Fast forward a few years and we see they are still going with the stealth nerfs and changing things that are not broke. (remember I was a VIP for 5+ years).

    What takes the cake is they nerf toons to oblivion because they are too OP, then they sell things that are 10 times more OP in the store. If Turbine actually cared about balance, they would not do this. So I deduce that they are more concerned with money than balance. This is fine as they are a business and need money. My plea however is let me pay 5,000 tp to not nerf my toons for a year. I will happily pay another 5,000 tp if they promise not to bait/switch over that year. Unfortunately that won’t do this as it will prove that Turbine is only balancing the game around money.

    This is why you see an angry Flabby. It is not because I am a cheaparse or want to be that internet tough guy, but I refuse to financially support a system that has let me down so many times in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    VIP's get a 10% xp bonus and nonvip's can open hard if they have tr'd that character once and on elite if they have tr'd twice for that character only.
    Thanks for that useful part of info.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ryiah View Post
    There were incidents with the duping exploit where some players had their legitimately acquired stash of collectibles reduced because Turbine's scanning process flagged them.
    Ooops! Just a little earlier i was making bigger stashes of some collectibles i had spread over more than one bag... I hope (and think) they're not so big as for me to appear guilty of exploiting... whatever. I don't even have an idea of how people exploit the game. I'm curious to learn, but probably such talks aren't allowed here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Supposedly thats what it was for, however, it was grossly mishandled to the point where an automated system was even sending people who had not logged on in months emails that they were banned.
    Epic Fail!!! (didn't remember this, but it rings a bell...)
    Btw, now that the forum and game share the same password, someone who's banned will not be able to post on the forums?



    Quote Originally Posted by shores11 View Post
    ... paying $8.99 per month is a hug bang for my entertainment buck. You make comments like your not here to help Turbine...
    Quote Originally Posted by Certon View Post
    I pay for VIP to contribute to the game I love, even though lately it has been more love/hate. I'd rather pay more to have a game longer, than save a few hundred bucks and have my game go under.
    I partly understand this point of view. But let me ask you this: If Turbine sends you guys an e-mail saying that they offer you a 20% discount for the rest of your lives as a gift for being long-time subscribers, you're gonna turn it down?



    Quote Originally Posted by shores11 View Post
    This is something I have never understood with some people give me what I want for free and instead of being appreciative you basically say screw you, wow really.
    I want it all and i want it now!!! For free!!! And you ****!!! And of course i'm mature...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shores11 View Post
    Players like you and others with this view point just don't get it. Turbine is a business and as a consumer paying $8.99 per month is a hug bang for my entertainment buck. You make comments like your not here to help Turbine but your more than willing to not only take advantage of what they offer but you insult them as well. This is something I have never understood with some people give me what I want for free and instead of being appreciative you basically say screw you, wow really.
    Its pretty easy to understand. Instead of designing new content and new systems to have fun with in the game, they are systematically nerfing everything we used to get free in order to redesign it and charge us for it. Marketing 101. Its better to let the folks continue to get free what they have always been able to get free, and focus the resources in making something new the company can charge people for, then it is to take away what people are used to getting for free, and then charging them to get back to where they used to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by shores11 View Post
    Turbine gives me as a 7 1/2 year VIP an incredible experience with a D&D based game that I truly enjoy. Paying $200 and breaking even in 2 years is your perspective? What about the 3-4 updates per year for a total of 6-8 over 2 years that you will also be paying for? Sounds to me like premium players actually pay more for the game but that is your penny spend it how you choose and so will I.
    Nope - most of the longer term premium players I know have huge point totals they have saved up in the years since they went premium. The frugal ones pay for that content with points, but they arent buying points for money.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Bit of a necro here but...

    Just started this game. Love D&D. Want to play as many different quests as possible and have a few characters I want to try out.

    Need some current advise on whether a VIP or premium is the way to go.

    I have $200 to spend.

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    My recommendation might be to get a 1 or 3 month subscription, so you can try as much as you can.

    After that point, it will be up to your preferences as to whether to stay VIP, go premium, or stop playing. During that time-frame, there should be an opportunity for for a sale for 2x or 3x points, which would help if you prefer the premium playstyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vint View Post
    It is not because I am a cheaparse or want to be that internet tough guy, but I refuse to financially support a system that has let me down so many times in the past.

    You won't financially support the game but you will support the game, again, that has 'let you down so many times in the past' by playing it each and every day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fool101 View Post
    My recommendation might be to get a 1 or 3 month subscription, so you can try as much as you can.

    After that point, it will be up to your preferences as to whether to stay VIP, go premium, or stop playing. During that time-frame, there should be an opportunity for for a sale for 2x or 3x points, which would help if you prefer the premium playstyle.
    That is probably the prudent thing to do. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJesto View Post
    That is probably the prudent thing to do. Thank you.
    If you do decide to go Premium after your trial run, check out EllisDee37's awesome Adventure Pack Reviews and Buyer's Guide thread. This will give you a very good idea of which packs to prioritize and at what levels.

    And welcome to the game! I'm just returning after a couple of years away. I've tried a few other games in the meantime, but there's really nothing out there that plays like DDO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirJesto View Post
    Bit of a necro here but...

    Just started this game. Love D&D. Want to play as many different quests as possible and have a few characters I want to try out.

    Need some current advise on whether a VIP or premium is the way to go.

    I have $200 to spend.
    If you want to grab a 3 month VIP subscription for $30 to start so you can try out everything that's not a bad idea. But keep in mind that there's tons of free content at the begining of the game, and it doesn't dry up until quest level 13. So it's not hard to get all the way up to level 14 or 15 without buying anything or repeating many quests so don't feel like you have to spend money to try out the game. You don't miss many goodies from playing only free to play quests the first 15 or so levels.

    Mathematically, if you'll be playing more than 2 years, Premium is generally the better deal. If you think you'll play less than 2 years, VIP is generally the better deal. Also be aware that VIPs get elite open, which is the biggest downfall of going premium. You'll have to True Reincarnate, get other players to open for you, or beat the quest on a lower difficulty first in order to open hard and elite heroic content on a premium account.

    I've played on and off for 4 years, and I strongly prefer premium. With VIP I feel almost pressured to play so to get the most out of my subscription. I did go VIP for one month because of the epic heart deal they had running. I'm back to Premium now and not missing much. With Premium I can take time off from the game every now and then and not feel like I'm wasting money. And once you TR a few characters, elite open is no longer an issue.

    Also don't buy points unless there's a points sale. You get a much better deal waiting for a sale and buying them in big bundles. If you plan to go premium, wait for one. If you're just starting the game, leveling a character or two from 1-15 should keep you busy in the meantime and as I said there's plenty of free content in those level ranges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    You won't financially support the game but you will support the game, again, that has 'let you down so many times in the past' by playing it each and every day?

    Oooookkkkkaaaayyyyy.....
    I never said I wanted the game to die tomorrow either. I still love this game, but I am not going to blindly throw them money.

    There have been threads recently about otto boxes being used inappropriately. Did Turbine take them out of the store until they could investigate what was really going on? Oh yeah, they just brought them back out.

    Cash grab > People using them inappropriately.

    Now ask me why I am not just throwing them money. The game has to be based around Turbine turning a profit, but when this is the way to make money, no dice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waryJerry View Post
    Considering the monstrous sense of entitlement most gamers seem to feel anyway, Turbine knows that many gamers like to feel elite--and strangely many seem to feel they're a much better class of gamer simply because they pay a monthly subscription fee and then get to complain whenever the feel they're not given their just desserts.
    WOW so your saying being VIP makes you a prick cause we feel when we get ripped off we should never complain? OK then let me sell you a 30k car with no engine, wheels tires and you have to buy each individually. NOW you can't complain that I ripped you off cause you DID buy the car just not all the other parts cause those are considered expansions to the car. Now you know they should all go with the car cause you swore that is what you paid for but that is NOT what you got so you just throw me more money to buy the rest of the car.

    THIS is how I feel when I pay VIP I figure it covers ALL of the game parts not just certain parts or certain items but I don't complain any more I just enjoy it.

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