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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan_Milic View Post
    East 3 is easy now, idk when was the last time you did it, but they bumped coyles hp by 4 times, he has around 400-500 hp now, wont get 1-2 shotted anymore, I did it with hire at lvl with no problems.
    On my last life, I did it with a full group, and purposefully, I asked the group to not knock him down. He was doing fine being wand healed between waves.

    That dwarf escort on West 2 is still fragile as a glass golem. Coyle is sturdy now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnjoyTheJourney View Post
    Coyle as a "Time Vampire" would turn the negativity surrounding Coyle and Hold for Reinforcements into a reason to re-visit (and perhaps actually buy!) a re-vamped Threnal AP.
    lol +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by nibel View Post
    That dwarf escort on West 2 is still fragile as a glass golem. Coyle is sturdy now.
    But it's easy to make sure the NPC in West 2 is always far away from any mobs, so he could have 1 HP and still be easy to deal with. Not so with Coyle in East 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drak View Post
    I suggest simply changing South 1 and 2 to Level 10 so we get BB there.
    /signed to this, BTW.

    I'd actually additionally suggest making all of West level 8, and all of East level 9, in addition to making all of South level 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    Epic Vale, Epic Shroud, level 30 raid...all sounds great.

    ML 30 Epic GS, though? No thanks. Maybe ML 25.

    What was the ML on original GS when level cap was 16? Before my time, but 8, wasn't it? And then 12 for a long time when level cap was 20.
    The Vale of Twilight also includes the Subterrane and Vision of Destruction + Hound of Xoriat, that way we would have 3 Epic End Game Raids, again. Would love that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henky View Post
    The Vale of Twilight also includes the Subterrane and Vision of Destruction + Hound of Xoriat, that way we would have 3 Epic End Game Raids, again. Would love that.
    Three raids upgraded to lvl 29+...that would be impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    Epic Vale, Epic Shroud, level 30 raid...all sounds great.

    ML 30 Epic GS, though? No thanks. Maybe ML 25.

    What was the ML on original GS when level cap was 16? Before my time, but 8, wasn't it? And then 12 for a long time when level cap was 20.
    ML on GS when the level cap was 16 is the same as it is now. 11 for wearables, and 12 for weapons.

    ML was lower when Vale was first released, I think, but initial release was a little before my time. I started playing very early into Mod 8, end of Jan or so 2009. ML was 11/12 by then.

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    I agree, Threnal needs some love. Expand it, make it a proper wilderness, make a few optional quests that can involve saving the site/defending it against enemy raids, level out the quest levels so it is progressive instead of regressive, add a epic setup for it, upgrade the loot.

    I am sure doing these things are on a whiteboard somewhere in their offices. Same with Three barrel cove, sorrodusk, tempest spine, catacombs, and just about every quest in the game really. Imagine some redesign and epic for all the quests.

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    I wonder how hard it would be to add a raid to Threnal?

    Maybe a level 28, somewhat simpler one?
    Expand the final quest?

    Maybe not, but its a thought?

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    Epic Threnal should be done,the side caves the explorer area,lotsa wasted space.
    The threnals are very easy to run,I run them at level8-10 and do them all elite.
    And whoever said epic water works?!? really water works..you just started playing didn't you?



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    Just re ran this again couple days ago, was hoping for some XP changes but was sadly mistaken.. holy **** was the exp awful. There was one quest that gave a bit, but the others just REALLLLLY don't make up for it. That 15 minute timed one that gives 3k made me want to rip my PC out of the wall....
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    I am all for an Epic Threnal if they revert the Giant cave back to the invis, zerg, loot, finish out method with a level 30 chest at the end.

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    [QUOTE=Tanngiostr;5163412][QUOTE=Drak;5161956]

    East 3 (Lets be honest we get a L28 Favored soul guildy to help here so no-one cares what its level is)

    Solo on Elite this quest is ridiculously easy.
    It's not the difficulty, it's the TIME & amount of energy required v.s. the payout. 15min = 4kxp (with a 30 pot running).... thats close to 270xp/min. In any zerger's book that is just downright PAINFUL
    Meh.....

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    While a revamp of Threnal would be welcome, I don't really want to see ANY chain Epic that requires flagging in a particular order and has no option to choose which quest you want to do withough slogging through all the others. This includes Delera's, Sorrowdusk, and Tangleroot.
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    I just ran Hold for Reinforcements on elite at level 12 and found Coyle to be much sturdier than in the past, plus it seems he stays knocked out for much longer than he used to. In the past I would just buy a level 13 hireling so as not to break my streak, but it was much easier this time than it has been before.

    The quest flagging mechanics are absolutely terrible, and the dwarf in the Western Excavation is so squishy I always leave him where he starts out, clear the entire cave system, and then go all the way back and get him. It's annoying that it takes so long, but he seems to be one-shotted by just about everything, and he tends to run off on his own quite a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverleafeon View Post
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    Glin mentions he would like to see Thernal revisted and totally patched up.

    Epic Thernal in the process.

    It is the most messed up quest chains in the DDO, imho.

    This would definitely hit two birds with one stone.

    An Epic Cloak of the Worldshaper would be cool.

    They did a good job on gianthold, so if they decided to go this direction, I would give thumbs up for spending some dev time on it.
    They already scammed people by saying they'd do an epic Mantle as part of their annual charity drive and that turned out to be a lie. It's highly doubtful they'd do it just because the community would like to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eachna_gislin View Post
    They already scammed people by saying they'd do an epic Mantle as part of their annual charity drive and that turned out to be a lie. It's highly doubtful they'd do it just because the community would like to see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drak View Post
    To the Devs.

    Since the introduction of Bravery Bonus some of us try to preserve quests to do at maximum level for BB.
    If this means multiple visits to an area and breaking up a chain we don't care, its all good.

    To the point Threnal goes something like this

    At Level 10
    West 1 (BB)
    West 2 (BB)

    At level 11
    East 1 (BB)

    At Level 12
    West 3 (BB)
    East 2 (BB)
    East 3 (Lets be honest we get a L28 Favored soul guildy to help here so no-one cares what its level is)

    Now we are finally flagged to enter south and ....

    South 1 (L9 quest NO BB)
    South 2 (L9 quest NO BB)
    South 3 (BB)

    It is about time you address this poor design for those of us who do bother to do it. I suggest simply changing South 1 and 2 to Level 10 so we get BB there.
    i just run the lvl 8's at level 10 wen i'm close to get 11 (or get capped close to 12), then level up and run everything on 11...no one says you HAVE TO be 2 levels above a quest on elite
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    Epic Threnal sounds like a good idea, hidden secret library, stopping Reavers, and a giant portal. I would LOVE to see the side quests have FAVOR added to them. Also, lets make Sorrowdusk Epic as well, Ogres, Trolls, Mephits (imagine that ambush spot on EE), and Reavers, fighting to save Stormreach from certain doom.

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    there are only a handful of exceptionally crafted quest storylines in ddo and threnal is one of them it's sad that it isn't run that much anymore because it really is a very nice quest chain. Caverns of Korimar (sp) is another that is very well crafted but rarely run anymore the main reason many don't run it is simply the fear of the beholder instilled upon many of us that ran this quest years ago when that beholder was one of the scariest things in the game at the time lol. these days though it's not as bad and a fun quest but it is long and low xp
    But threnal I would love to see the xp upgraded for it so that people run it more.

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