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    If I catch someone taking it I send them to jail, don't even let them pass go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    Here is the difference between a good person and a bad person: You go to a business and buy something with cash. The cashier gives you too much money for your change. A good person gives the extra money back.

    It's really very simple: there are people who recognize when something is too good to be true and must be an error, and there are people who just want to take advantage of those errors. I know which I want to be and which I want to interact with. People who like to take advantage of mistakes will someday take advantage of you as well.
    After having lived on this Earth for 40 years, I've seen my share of good and bad in the world. There is more to being a good person and more to being a bad person than simply giving back the extra change that you were given by mistake. There is so VERY much more to life than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL View Post
    It's really very simple: there are people who recognize when something is too good to be true and must be an error, and there are people who just want to take advantage of those errors. I know which I want to be and which I want to interact with. People who like to take advantage of mistakes will someday take advantage of you as well.
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    ISo sad. This country is full of people with no common sense, and no personal integrity.
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    People ordering from a website should not and are not legally in trouble. Most of the orders got cancelled, people got a free $10 gift card, and they are still complaining that THEY are the victims. I don't think they should be put in jail, but they are weak human beings at best.
    Ah, yes. The people who clicked the "Purchase" button are the weak minded, lack of common sense idiots with no personal integrity looking to take advantage of the poor retailer when they should have known better.

    Of course, we live in a society that will now have retailers offering "Black Friday" deals all November and December, along with brick and mortar stores opening on Thanksgiving for "Black Friday" for "incredible", "too good to be true" deals and the Purchaser is supposed to 'know' the deal is too good to be true? I don't even know what that means anymore. And I certainly don't expect the lowest common denominator to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Wait, they can demand giving purchased items back, or did I misunterstood something?

    If yes, America is officially lawless country ;p
    You misunderstood. The whole thing was online. Those people who purchased online and chose to pick it up themselves at the store like the guy they showed with a huge TV in the back of his car got away with it. I don't know if Wally World could go after those. However, those who simply placed orders to be shipped to them had those orders all cancelled.

    On the other hand, I don't see this as any different than a bank error of some sort that drops a bunch of money in your account. If you discover the error before the bank and withdraw the money, they can and will go after you legally to recover the money. If Walmart has records (credit card, whatever) of the people like the guy with the TV, I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to take action to either make them return or pay the difference for those products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_terror1 View Post
    You misunderstood. The whole thing was online. Those people who purchased online and chose to pick it up themselves at the store like the guy they showed with a huge TV in the back of his car got away with it. I don't know if Wally World could go after those. However, those who simply placed orders to be shipped to them had those orders all cancelled.

    On the other hand, I don't see this as any different than a bank error of some sort that drops a bunch of money in your account. If you discover the error before the bank and withdraw the money, they can and will go after you legally to recover the money. If Walmart has records (credit card, whatever) of the people like the guy with the TV, I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to take action to either make them return or pay the difference for those products.
    instead of the old *buyer beware* saying we need to get a *seller beware* saying...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grecan View Post
    Imo, there's some difference between taking advantage of the mistake of a big multi-national corporation, and taking advantage of the mistake of your poor old neighbour...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalHazard View Post
    Who are the food stamp people?

    Technically though the people who took advantage of the mistake can they be held accountable? Im asking legally here not morally.

    There was a case here where a bank gave a guy a massive overdraft by accident well over a million and he transferred it and bailed the country but has been caught, it was an overdraft so the money of course was never his.......but I wonder if the same principle can be applied to making an error with pricing of goods and people then buying those goods at the prices you put up there due to your own mistake?

    I think that out of all the people that took advantage in some cases there might of been some small number of people who didn't realize what had happened at first.

    but why arrest them? they should all be put to death and all their children and blood relatives as well? This type of evil is passed on through the genes......or maybe its taught not inherited genetically? ok lets scrap the mass killing and only limit it to the parents the children we can take for re-education programs and teach them how to fit into the best type of society.

    Did someone say its better a hundred guilty man go free than one innocent man be wrongly convicted or is it the other way around?
    Technically they can be prosecuted but it whould waste a lot of the courts time and a bit of the blame goes to walmart since the the states food stamp program told them that when the system is down to limit customers to 50.00 a day and since walmart didnt they will eat a lot of that. The cheap prices recently on their website will not be honored

    I actually asked two lawyers about both cases this week and with the food stamp thing they should be prosecuted but wont be it can be shown what their normal spending limit is and what their normal spending pattern is and there was a large change. Taking a masters legal class myself right now.

    On walmart not honoring a pricing mistake on the website and some pepole trying to get a good deal which walmart says they wont honor well the law is on walmart's side although some people say they will sue they dont have much of a chance in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    No, there's not. Either way you are a thief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    Technically they can be prosecuted but it whould waste a lot of the courts time and a bit of the blame goes to walmart since the the states food stamp program told them that when the system is down to limit customers to 50.00 a day and since walmart didnt they will eat a lot of that. The cheap prices recently on their website will not be honored

    I actually asked two lawyers about both cases this week and with the food stamp thing they should be prosecuted but wont be it can be shown what their normal spending limit is and what their normal spending pattern is and there was a large change. Taking a masters legal class myself right now.

    On walmart not honoring a pricing mistake on the website and some pepole trying to get a good deal which walmart says they wont honor well the law is on walmart's side although some people say they will sue they dont have much of a chance in court.
    In Australia when you are receiving unemployment money from the gov't, the obligation is on you to ensure you are receiving the correct amount. There's no obligation on the gov't at all to show you actually knew there was an error; it doesn't matter whether you knew or not. There may be something similar in a US statute re: foodstamps?

    The Walmart thing is interesting.

    In Australia the way retailers get around online pricing mistakes is by differentiating between order 'processing' and order 'acceptance'. (Since to have a complete contract you need offer (from the customer) and acceptance). I at first thought it would be the other way around in that by advertising x product at a price the retailer has made the offer (which is what occurs in a physical store), but it does make sense in an online context to view a 'process my cart' request as the offer.

    EDIT: Actually in a physical store it might not be 'acceptance' by the store until you reach the counter and exchange money for the goods too come to think of it. Been too long!

    Until they actually send you your goods they purport to not have accepted the contract - which seems pretty reasonable to me since it appears that this is when they would be alerted to the sorts of errors the Walmart article is about, and so could reasonably claim it's part of the screening process.
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    In Louisiana, Wal Mart's cash registers quit registering the Welfare cards. The Wal Mart was not going to deny them food, so those exploiters loaded up their carts, five or six or so and went for it. Yes, they could buy as much stuff as they wanted, even if it surpassed what might have been on their welfare card. Exploitation.

    United Airlines forgot to include the prices on their airline tickets, and just had tax and the amount an employee paid for the tickets, airline ticket frenzy, one person admitted they scored ELEVEN tickets. Exploitation.

    Technically, all of us are exploiters. When I am shopping for an item, I do not rush out and buy it. I actually price it and get the feel for what one costs. The last car I purchased I used the internet to look at prices around the country on a 2012 Honda CRV. I found that I could drive 150 miles and get a CRV for about $5,000 less than I could at the places near me. Guess what? I exploited that baby. Not only did we drive and get the car, but we wrangled the deal down another $500 and had an oil change thrown in on the car we just drove there.

    In the case of the current Wal Mart mis-pricing. The majority of orders did not ship. The monies were refunded. Their systems actually caught the discrepancies because when they have a sale they have a rough idea on how many TVs should be sold, and if the number surpasses their one week estimate in five minutes the alarms go off in their systems that something is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moomooprincess View Post
    In Louisiana, Wal Mart's cash registers quit registering the Welfare cards. The Wal Mart was not going to deny them food, so those exploiters loaded up their carts, five or six or so and went for it. Yes, they could buy as much stuff as they wanted, even if it surpassed what might have been on their welfare card. Exploitation.
    That's a very charitable reading of Walmart's actions. Retailers denying food to people without a way to pay for it is called normal business practices, hence food pantries.

    The EBT card balances were down less than a few hours and other retailers stopped taking them as a result until they came back online (it was a broader outtage than just Walmart). Beyond that, Walmart was warned by authorities not to accept EBT amounts for greater than $50. At best, Walmart thought they were going to make out like bandits by getting the money out of the state regardless. So who's the original exploiter here?

    I'm sorry, but taking a Walmart's spokewoman's word for what they decided is like believing Turbine.

    Kayla Whaling, a spokesperson for Walmart, tells KSLA News 12 that the company was "fully engaged and monitoring the situation and transactions during the outage."

    "We did make the decision to continue to accept EBT cards (and purchases on WIC and SNAP) during the outage so that they could get food for their families."
    Especially when there are established procedures that are supposed to be followed in these events.

    Trey Williams, spokesman for the Louisiana Department of Children and Family Services, said emergency procedures require retailers to call vendor Xerox Corp. for authorization on up to $50 in purchases per card holder. Williams said Xerox and retailers will have to decide how to address any purchases allowed outside the emergency procedures.
    So, Walmart was "on top" of the situation the whole time, but decided to implement their own "new and unapproved" procedures by authorities after which they attempted to bill the state, albiet unsuccessfully. That's professional exploitation right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hafeal View Post
    Ah, yes. The people who clicked the "Purchase" button are the weak minded, lack of common sense idiots with no personal integrity looking to take advantage of the poor retailer when they should have known better.

    Of course, we live in a society that will now have retailers offering "Black Friday" deals all November and December, along with brick and mortar stores opening on Thanksgiving for "Black Friday" for "incredible", "too good to be true" deals and the Purchaser is supposed to 'know' the deal is too good to be true? I don't even know what that means anymore. And I certainly don't expect the lowest common denominator to know.
    The definition of "Too good to be true" pretty much defines any shopping trip to Walmart before you enter. When you get out, you remember why that drunken night in the county jail wasn't so bad after all.

    I do look forward to the Black Friday/Thursday youtube videos of Walmart tramplings, macings, fisticuffs every year though. It's like watching a human feeding frenzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grecan View Post
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    Wal Mart Screws up.. catches the Bug the second they realize something was up. Then proceeded to stop all transactions for a short time to fix the problem, on top of that, they refund people's money and Give the people MORE money to spend at their store as an apology for what they realized was Wal*Marts screw up and happily wants them to keep coming back to shop with them.

    Yah. Ok. Well that is why I shop at Wal*Mart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
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    It's Turbine's, I mean Walmart's fault! They deserve to be stolen from!

    Same rationale as the exploiters in this game... So sad. This country is full of people with no common sense, and no personal integrity.

    Hopefully I will be long dead and buried before these people grow up and begin to run the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    After having lived on this Earth for 40 years, I've seen my share of good and bad in the world. There is more to being a good person and more to being a bad person than simply giving back the extra change that you were given by mistake. There is so VERY much more to life than this.
    No, simple things like this are great predictors. Maybe not 100%, but I'd say 80%-90%... If you're a jerk to the waiter for no reason, but nice to your friends, you're still a jerk.

    I know someone personally who ran a Ponzi scheme, and stole millions from strangers... He's a really nice guy, and fun to be around (before we found out)... He was very kind to my kids. Doesn't change the fact that he's a thief and a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grecan View Post
    Imo, there's some difference between taking advantage of the mistake of a big multi-national corporation, and taking advantage of the mistake of your poor old neighbour...
    A lot of people think this but taking advantage of a multi-national corporation ultimately affects your neighbor. In my example regarding the cashier, even if he works for a giant corporation it is the cashier that will get in trouble for accidentally handing out the wrong change. And any money lost by multi-nationals gets passed down to the consumer in higher prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    After having lived on this Earth for 40 years, I've seen my share of good and bad in the world. There is more to being a good person and more to being a bad person than simply giving back the extra change that you were given by mistake. There is so VERY much more to life than this.
    Of course there is, this is just one example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalHazard View Post
    instead of the old *buyer beware* saying we need to get a *seller beware* saying...........
    Caveat emptor - buyer beware
    Caveat venditor - seller beware

    Both expressions have existed for a couple of thousand years. Caveat venditor as a phrase has been around for a long time, but as a legal concept, it has been part of US law since 1916 from the case of MacPherson v. Buick Motor Co.
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