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    Default FvS Hirelings...

    ...really, really, really, really, really suck at healing. Why?
    There is no free lunch.

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    They usually only have 1 healing spell, where cleric hires have two. Plus, their AI is more offensively focused.

    I like FvS better for characters/content where you want to sacrifice a little healing for more DPS. Heroic N/H, chars with some self healing, etc. If you need a full healbot at any point, use a clr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnhelm View Post
    ...really, really, really, really, really suck at healing. Why?
    Yes they do, and it seems to have gotten worse since the last update. Albus used to be decent, now all he wants to do is run around and attack things in the next room, not to mention the fact that he doesn't decide to heal until youre almost dead, then goes into that long animation for the mass heal spell...

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    They emulate player fvs. Which means they think they are dps. (And being hires do it badly)
    Dystopia = utopia achieved

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    heh, try that agressive jerk Merenon Lyor or whatever is his name. I never forget how he managed agro almost all the mobs from entrance room in Mindsuder and bring them to us while we still buffing

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    My own anecdotal experience with FvS and Cleric hires, is that FvS are more likely to blow all their spellpoints on combat. But it seemed like both Cleric and FvS hires horde their Heal spells until you've taken a couple of hundred pts of damage. Wheras ones with Cures (CLW,CSW,etc...) are more attentive in using them.

    I've been told that setting them to "aggro" rather than "defend me" makes them heal more, but when I do that they just start running through lava, pools of acid, and activated traps.

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    Slow down...

    Experiment with a hire and learn something about their AI.

    They never ever cast while moving.
    Their striders are usually lesser fast than yours.
    They have a limited amount of spells, and those spells have cooldowns.
    They don't understand the command, "Ignore all the mobs in this room and zerg to the second doorway then fight in the firewall."
    Nontargetable mob that become targetable later on confuse them.
    Reset their AI by swapping Active with Defend.
    Surrounded Hires are useless/dead hires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rykka View Post
    My own anecdotal experience with FvS and Cleric hires, is that FvS are more likely to blow all their spellpoints on combat. But it seemed like both Cleric and FvS hires horde their Heal spells until you've taken a couple of hundred pts of damage. Wheras ones with Cures (CLW,CSW,etc...) are more attentive in using them.

    I've been told that setting them to "aggro" rather than "defend me" makes them heal more, but when I do that they just start running through lava, pools of acid, and activated traps.
    Unh, in y experience they often either cast heal when you are 10-20 points down or not at all.
    Dystopia = utopia achieved

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartharok View Post
    Unh, in y experience they often either cast heal when you are 10-20 points down or not at all.
    That's why I used the term anecdotal. YMMV.

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    Larafay is awesome. She totally rocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoogroves View Post
    Larafay is awesome. She totally rocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverleafeon View Post
    They don't understand the command, "Ignore all the mobs in this room and zerg to the second doorway then fight in the firewall."
    No wonder!!

    I would stop yelling at them entirely, but it's too much fun not to.
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    From Personal Experience FvS who are GREAT at Healing:

    Lvl 2. Galanis Mithion
    Lvl 7. Zaghar Everstar
    Lvl 13. Duerim Guardwell
    Lvl 18. Merenon Lior

    FvS who are so so at Healing:

    Lvl 16. Althea
    Lvl 17. Nina Tegren
    Lvl 21. Luna
    Lvl 24. Andaro
    Lvl 25. Garret the Sainted

    FvS who are Bleedin' awful at Healing:

    The Rest!!!

    Special Mentions to the DPS FvSs...Who it must be said you should expect not to be healers:

    Lvl 5. Aunidil Torval
    Lvl 8. Nimeth Celibel
    Lvl 12. Tanya Brightstone
    Lvl 15. Larafay Dor'rett
    Lvl 19. Caraneth Myar

    And Finally the Epic Fails:

    Lvl 21. Selis
    Lvl 23. Brec
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    If you want healing then why don't you use a cleric hireling?
    You do have to manage them and you can always take manual control and click the heal spell yourself.

    Hirelings tend to have peculiar behavior traits that you can adapt to; they weren't all made with a cookie cutter. Generally they get confused at times and you may need to cycle through their action buttons to get them to be more cooperative.
    They get distracted by agro, terrain obstacles and crowds. They often don't identify enemies which aren't active when they walk in the area. They will stand idly in lava/acid pools and burn...

    If the hirelings heal spell is "Heal" then they are going to wait for you to take enough damage (more than the spell can heal) before they cast it.

    Myself, I prefer a hireling that can do something in addition to healing, like a useful cc or attack spell or even a useful buff. I use bards and FVS a lot. I sometimes have to remind them to heal me, or themselves, but otherwise have no complaints.



    I mean, I get why people complain, and I have had my share of frustration, but it's actually pretty impressive how helpful a hireling can be in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    From Personal Experience FvS who are GREAT at Healing:

    Lvl 2. Galanis Mithion
    Lvl 7. Zaghar Everstar
    Lvl 13. Duerim Guardwell
    Lvl 18. Merenon Lior

    FvS who are so so at Healing:

    Lvl 16. Althea
    Lvl 17. Nina Tegren
    Lvl 21. Luna
    Lvl 24. Andaro
    Lvl 25. Garret the Sainted

    FvS who are Bleedin' awful at Healing:

    The Rest!!!

    Special Mentions to the DPS FvSs...Who it must be said you should expect not to be healers:

    Lvl 5. Aunidil Torval
    Lvl 8. Nimeth Celibel
    Lvl 12. Tanya Brightstone
    Lvl 15. Larafay Dor'rett
    Lvl 19. Caraneth Myar

    And Finally the Epic Fails:

    Lvl 21. Selis
    Lvl 23. Brec
    There is nothing wrong with Selis, and Tanya is fine the way she is as well. I can self heal so I bring them along, because they can battle. My power team is arty dog and Selis. If we need a tank or meat shield I pop the Owlbear.

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    Well if a hireling can't use it's mana to kill things, it just a waste of a party slot.

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    I use Garret a lot because of the simple fact he has Deathward, his healing can be twitchy at times but overall I find him pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnhelm View Post
    ...really, really, really, really, really suck at healing. Why?
    Seriously?

    Albus L20 FvS > Wyoh L20 Clr... By like... a lot. I think Wyoh enjoys watching players die. That's her "AI" personality. And Albus has both Mass Heal and regular heal so if you're letting him take a beating you need to be close by to get healed.

    Generally if I don't need DV for spell points then I take a FvS over a cleric. My experience has been completely the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnhelm View Post
    ...really, really, really, really, really suck at healing. Why?
    I'll go with Ghostbane for $400, Alex...

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    Quote Originally Posted by st0rmcr0vv View Post
    Seriously?

    Albus L20 FvS > Wyoh L20 Clr... By like... a lot. I think Wyoh enjoys watching players die. That's her "AI" personality. And Albus has both Mass Heal and regular heal so if you're letting him take a beating you need to be close by to get healed.

    Generally if I don't need DV for spell points then I take a FvS over a cleric. My experience has been completely the opposite.
    Why oh why did I bring Wyoh?

    Is usually the last question asked before a wipe. Wyoh is utterly worthless.

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