But the other melee classes are each just lacking something special that makes each of them shine. The problem isn't that Monks make the best tanks. The problem is that Fighters don't have anything that makes them significantly superior long-term DPS or anything that really makes them shine as a tank. They are decent long-term DPS and they are decent tanks as far as tanks go in DDO, but there isn't very much that actually needs DPS for more than 5 minutes and Tanking has been decimated by some of the recent changes in gameplay (especially AC). Barbarians have good short term DPS, until they run out of rages, but it's not head and shoulders above anyone else. With the Barbarian's limited in-class self healing and their emphasis on hurting themselves to hurt others, they really should be.
Yes, Monks are pretty neat and they're quite good in a variety of roles, but that's not a problem. Monks should be able to do anything well and they should be difficult to kill. The problem is that the other classes aren't shining paragons of whatever it is that they're supposed to do best. Since those other classes aren't jacks of all trades, they should be the absolute master of whatever it is that they do happen to do. And currently they aren't.
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And even if it doesn't and has a 2-6 level splash to take advantage of the broken synergies it's still the monkness making a toon OP.
Look, I have monks and monk-splashes. Have been playing them for years. I exploit the hell out of this myself. Just keep it real and don't pretend they aren't broken OP.
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PnP has checks and balances in place that DDO does not!
On the other hand - For some reason Druids are no longer required to be True Neutral But Bards still get the inane Non-Lawful Requirement and DDO still ignores Every Deity that's not Lawful Good when it comes to Paladins.
I could easily see a God like Olidammara having Bardic Paladins for instance.
However the Monk bit is clearly for Min/Maxing purposes here and therefore would not be allowed by any DM with half a brain.
Why is it the pure classes get the shaft? Why aren't there capstone's players can take at level 20 that balance out the multi-class element everyone is taking part of? Shouldn't characters who remain pure all the way exemplify their class?
Seriously, I know Turbine has re-invented the wheel with the "new and improved" enhancement system as opposed to spending that time developing new content but the multi-classing in DDO is pretty ridiculous. Why not reflect on the pnp rules regarding Monk and Paladin? Shouldn't there be some penalty for multiclassing or some loss of ability for "splashing"?
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2 levels of monk give evasion, +2 a stat via stances, 2 feats and running speed, wisdom to AC..
So no.. Im pretty sure that not near come close to paladin, druid, fvs.. or anyone.
Plus, Monk splash allow you to buy feats to unlock +1 crit multi. What special feats open Rogue 2? Fight 2? or Pal 2?
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Undead Cleric Melee -> https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ncer?p=5095116
The books and the world that they have set up are fine, but at some point common sense has to take over and rules have to be adapted or ignored to 1) allow for more freedom and 2) make any kind of sense.
I don't know that I would call it OP, but that's just splitting hairs. They're cake to play and versatile enough to cover the weak spots in a variety of multi-builds. Who wouldn't want their biggest issue to be "too fast"?
That said: if monk was removed or nerfed to oblivion, pally/rogue splashes would be the thing. It is a pay class, so it should be better, but I don't think it's so much better that it's unbalancing the game. Were not all running around with monks begging for someone to roll up an INT toon for runes. Monk splashes are prevalent, but no more than any other FOTM; most of what I see are stick builds (neat, but still suffering from a lack of proper sticks), monkchers (your DPS output is no better than a good melee, and your kiting is obnoxious. sorry.), and clonks (most of whom seem to be trying to squeeze through a cleric PL as fast as possible).
So OP, maybe. But not enough to be detrimental.
*edit (Or frankly, disagreeing for the sake of being contradictory, but I think it's clear that wasn't the case here)
Jeez, it's a shame our new favorite word "paladin" couldn't be used in this context to try to bully someone out of disagreeing. I guess "troll" had to do.
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