Generally speaking, I think that the design decision to make the bonuses increase with level is a good one. But I'm not sure if the exact numbers are really a good choice.
Doublestrike is a bit underwhelming as a number of ranged abilities (Manyshot, 10k Stars) ignore not only DS, but they impose a penalty after they have been used. I don't see why I should get doubleshot on my AA as I regularly use these two abilities.
The shiradi-like ability from the primal sphere sounds funny, but the proc rate limit to every-now-and-then makes this PL pretty weak. I'd rather see a rainbow (1Dwhatever random damage per hit at 7% proc chance) than a procs-only-twice-a-week-Double Rainbow. Adjust the Dwhatever to fit the damage output, but that once per 30s cap on the double rainbow cap is just too random for my taste (for both my Ranger and my Caster).
To me, it's effort v reward. Triple completionists now have a huge advantage over second or third life toons, but they have put in months of work. 216 million XP will not come fast, it will be months before we see the first one even emerge and over a year before there's more than 10. Unless your buying 100 otto's boxes. (and to be honest, none of these are worth 50 bucks)
If you just going to look at what the reward is and not consider what might be going on in the game when people might acheive them (and they should be achievements!) and the time and effort it will take to get there, your leaving 3/4 of all the variables out.
Last edited by Drwaz99; 10-24-2013 at 08:07 PM.
Not so for Epic Past Lives. Your going to be a fighter in a Cleric destiny. A caster in a melee destiny. Now if your abilities (ED are the Epic equivalent to enhancements) scaled as you leveled then I could agree. But you main ED will not benefit you, the fighter won't be able to heal other effectively. He's not a divine and never will be. The caster isn't going to be really good at blitzing thru Breaking the Ranks (yes some weird ones might)..it's just not going to work. It's absolutely not the same.
It's apples and watermelons.
If a monster takes 30 swings to kill you on average at 180 AC, it will take 40 swings to kill you on average at 240 AC. 50 to kill you at 300 AC, etc. It is
Dodge% has escalating returns (but never gets out of control like AC used to), HP has linear returns, and PRR has diminishing returns.
I don't have a zerging problem.
I'm zerging. That's YOUR problem.
It's not possible to make DC casting viable for first life characters without making it stupidly overpowered for multi-TRs. So now we have DC casting in its present state, where completionist characters (with all +DC lives tripled) with all available gear are just above mediocre, and characters without heavily stacked PLs are a total waste of a party spot.
The heroic PL debacle is the sole reason that monster saves are so ridiculously inflated now.
I don't have a zerging problem.
I'm zerging. That's YOUR problem.
It's seem someone copied 6M Karma from 6M XP because they were too tired to think up a fair ratio. Why should I have to "re-level" the entire sphere 9 more times? Maybe leveling every destiny in a sphere the first time just open the door to ED TR in that sphere makes sense, but the equivalent of re-leveling the entire thing?
Assuming minmax and just use 10m XP from 20-30 because it's easier to calculate (assuming no previous ED xp converted to Karma):
1st ED TR to ED Cap - Sphere 1 (6m) | Sphere 2 (4m)
2nd ED TR to ED Cap - Sphere 1 (6m) | Sphere 2 (6m) | Sphere 3 (2m)
3rd ED TR to ED Cap - Sphere 1 (6m) | Sphere 2 (6m) | Sphere 3 (6m)
4th ED TR to ED Cap - Sphere 1 (6m) | Sphere 2 (6m) | Sphere 3 (6m) | Sphere 4 (4m)
5th ED TR to ED Cap - Sphere 1 (6m) | Sphere 2 (6m) | Sphere 3 (6m) | Sphere 4 (6m) <-- 2m Karma lost because you can't put it anywhere?
6th ED TR to ED Cap - Sphere 1 (6m) | Sphere 2 (6m) | Sphere 3 (6m) | Sphere 4 (6m) <-- 4m Karma lost because you can't put it anywhere?
7th ED TR to ED Cap - Sphere 1 (6m) | Sphere 2 (6m) | Sphere 3 (6m) | Sphere 4 (6m) <-- 4m Karma lost because you can't put it anywhere?
8th ED TR to ED Cap - Sphere 1 (6m) | Sphere 2 (6m) | Sphere 3 (6m) | Sphere 4 (6m) <-- 4m Karma lost because you can't put it anywhere?
9th ED TR to ED Cap - Sphere 1 (6m) | Sphere 2 (6m) | Sphere 3 (6m) | Sphere 4 (6m) <-- 4m Karma lost because you can't put it anywhere?
So just completely maxing one ED sphere, even perfectly allocating your Karma across spheres (now it just shifts slightly if you add a 5th sphere), you're going to generate 10m Karma that might not be bankable beyond the 6m Karma limit?
Question one, does Karma bank beyond 6m? And if so, how much?
Question two, if it does, do they realize we're going to earn Karma to EPLs much faster than we earn ED TRs on our way to cap? At it's most efficient it would be 1 ED TR = 1.4 EPL, until either you can't bank anyone Karma or you've maxed the amount of Karma you would ever need.
Eventually you'd have essentially banked EPLs, but you'd need to race to cap to take advantage of them (or buy stones out the wazoo, maybe the Turbine plan?). This seems nonsensical, and sort of disconnected from the actual leveling process in a way PLs are not. It's like carrying over that fact that you had some cleric levels in your last fighter life, that next life you could just add those to your current cleric level count and get a cleric PL even if you weren't mainly a cleric build.
Last edited by myliftkk_v2; 10-24-2013 at 08:31 PM.
I really don't see anything in this 'proposition' that was listed there... or at least a lot weaker/watered down and crappier versions to say the best..
But I'm probably misremembering...
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Question: Does the Fast Healing from the Primal Sphere stack with Fast Healing from FotW? (What? I love regen).
Seriously, they do, compared to any other Epic Destiny the Arcane ones just suck and it seems every arcane caster can't wait to get out of them.
And don't get me started on Artificers...
Mobs Saves get so out of proportion to the Save DC's players can get that you may as well assume the mobs are going to save, as far as I'm concerned the DC's are there to give the players a chance to avoid the effects, not the mobs.
But 9 Spell Pen though..... that's an insane difference.
And +4DC for a monk can get a bit out of hand too, although at least he has to be in reach of being hit for the most part.
That initial +2 DC is also very different since each takes a feat slot. I don't think the +2DC is overpowered at all, and feels just right. I wouldn't say that about the other DC/SP buffs, although I'm not calling for nerfs either (and am perfectly willing to use them to my advantage).
(Random reminder: the 2/5 DC difference is not between the ultimate power gamer caster and some noob. It is between the ultimate power gamer caster and a guy with the exact same gear and skill set just without any past lives. It isn't actually very likely that they'd get perfectly geared out without any past lives....)
Last edited by Raoull; 10-24-2013 at 09:11 PM.
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Kalener (Monk) Renelak (backup band) Raoull (Mr. McStabby) Kaleray (laser heals) Kalrah (xbow rogue)
Things to change..
* Toggles are just not good now. Way more power their self limit is that they can not stack with other sphere toggles.
* No dups on passives. That is bad design. Your stacking concerns are worse when there are more stacks possible! You can have more powerful individual passives by removing the dups making time more equal to reward.
* Each passive and toggle should be about the same power to each other.
Things to keep for sure
* Increasing benefit as you level...Vastly important concept for increases in character power which the original passive TR feats did not account for making them very good at low level and fairly unimportant as the level cap increased...Decide on a % increase to a particular stat (resistance/saves/whatever) and make the scale fit the available levels appropriately so it retains it power throughout the level range.
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