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    Default More drama on the forums but less drama in pugs.

    Normally while pugging I often run into people who would rage at or mock people who died, fell behind, or generally didn't keep up. However, lately, I see a lot less of that attitude in the pugs I'm in, and an actual increase in friendliness and helpfulness.

    In fact, just yesterday I was in an elite Chain of Flames run (Sorc, Bard, Wiz, and a Ranger + pocket cleric) in which we had a full party wipe in one of the traps. Normally I would expect to see at least a few people rage quit after complaining about the noobs, but everyone kept their cool as I released, recovered, and ran all the way back so that we could complete. It reminded me of the old days.

    More then anything else, it's the attitude of other players in an MMO that results in new player retention and I hope the recent improvement is a permanent thing.

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    A positive thread and great thread!!

    Pugging isn't quite as bad as some would make it out to be..........
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    Pugging has been fine lately. It seems like it's up since the xpac, but that might be because of the level range I am playing.

    Glad you had a better experience! I never understood people who go nuts when someone dies.
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    Less drama because less pugs and players.
    There's no drama in ghost towns.

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    Maybe that's the most vitriolic section of the community is on vacation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausdoerrt View Post
    Maybe that's the most vitriolic section of the community is on vacation?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallout_Zero View Post
    Less drama because less pugs and players.
    There's no drama in ghost towns.
    Actually, I've had better luck filling my pugs lately. Maybe other people are noticing the improvement in pug attitudes and are becoming less afraid of pugging. I just hope that the bad apples stay away for good.

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    maybe it's the types of groups you are forming? i've taken to grabbing the first 5 to apply, and have advertised as much. it seems to draw in a relaxed crowd and yeah, there have been deaths, but i've never seen any ranting about it. even when there were 3 of us in a deep lava pit in madstone feeling quite foolish, the other 3 just carried on and got us a completion. we then rebuffed and hit the next quest with no rage quits!

    i tend to play in the EU evening timezone, but that can often extend to catch a good chunk of the americans, so it's not even a continent thing. infact things get easier when the americans log on as there are more people to play with.

    i have seen rage quits, but the rest of the party often just laughs about it and carries on to completion with 1 man missing.

    i've seen many people apologise for dying, but i've not seen anyone get shouted at for dying. normally the only response is "don't worry, it happens".

    and no, i've not noticed it change over the last few weeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausdoerrt View Post
    Maybe that's the most vitriolic section of the community is on vacation?
    No question, there are a lot of dudebros missing

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    This has been my general observation too. I think its partly due to the fact that only people I run into still pugging these days seem to be long-time vets because the game is attracting fewer players. And the people who would usually get bent out of shape about "losing 10%" seemed to have adopted the "I only solo/channel fill" mentality self-selecting themselves out of pugs. The pug scene has been running pretty dang smoothly for a while, albeit at a greatly reduced volume.
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    Would sound likely since alot of the people/guilds i heard got banned were the ones who were known as d-bags. Laughed my ass off when I heard X people from Guild X got banned, etc. A lot of nice people in DDO, and im glad to hear about your positive experience!

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    I'm running a TR right now, and I haven't had any problems filling groups or finding LFMs... Everyone does seem more relaxed... I haven't seen anyone rage-quit or complain in chat since the bannings...

    Game does seem better since we got rid of the cheaters.
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    I'm glad to hear about your recent positive experiences pugging.

    I've been pugging through several lives on my main and found that overall it was an interesting mix of players and personalities. I always PUG - I find solo'ing to be boring and I'd rather take a little longer and be entertained - and I've run into new and clueless, vets, and returning players but very few really unplesant sorts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DakDeFrosted View Post
    Normally while pugging I often run into people who would rage at or mock people who died, fell behind, or generally didn't keep up. However, lately, I see a lot less of that attitude in the pugs I'm in, and an actual increase in friendliness and helpfulness.

    In fact, just yesterday I was in an elite Chain of Flames run (Sorc, Bard, Wiz, and a Ranger + pocket cleric) in which we had a full party wipe in one of the traps. Normally I would expect to see at least a few people rage quit after complaining about the noobs, but everyone kept their cool as I released, recovered, and ran all the way back so that we could complete. It reminded me of the old days.

    More then anything else, it's the attitude of other players in an MMO that results in new player retention and I hope the recent improvement is a permanent thing.
    Wow, I thought for a second I was in that group until I got to the part about the wipe and reentering. Yesterday, I was also in a CoFs run with a group of very similar makeup and we hit a few snags and everyone was incredibly good natured about it all. A couple guys even started in with the Monty Python references, bad puns, and even worse jokes. But it was fun. No problems running back to get the guy that died from his own stupidity, everyone was patient, mature, laid back and very cool.

    In fact, now that you mention it, the three different pugs I ran in today were very similar. People actually laughing and having fun.

    Maybe there is something to this theory...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DakDeFrosted View Post
    Normally while pugging I often run into people who would rage at or mock people who died, fell behind, or generally didn't keep up. However, lately, I see a lot less of that attitude in the pugs I'm in, and an actual increase in friendliness and helpfulness.

    In fact, just yesterday I was in an elite Chain of Flames run (Sorc, Bard, Wiz, and a Ranger + pocket cleric) in which we had a full party wipe in one of the traps. Normally I would expect to see at least a few people rage quit after complaining about the noobs, but everyone kept their cool as I released, recovered, and ran all the way back so that we could complete. It reminded me of the old days.

    More then anything else, it's the attitude of other players in an MMO that results in new player retention and I hope the recent improvement is a permanent thing.
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    I will say this: PUGs seem to be far more tolerant these days. Then again, it is a matter if proportions, and if the number of PUGs are down, then proportionally you'll have longer stretches of time between elitist jerks.

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    Default My "friends" list

    My friends list is actually a huge list of all the jerks ive meet in the game, most don't even play anymore, but of the ones on it that still play many have been away a couple weeks.

    Coincidence? Doubtful.

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    if you had a party wipe because of a trap, then everybody was a noob, thus nobody was gonna go on rage on others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallout_Zero View Post
    Less drama because less pugs and players.
    There's no drama in ghost towns.
    I see the same amount of pugs going on and more folks like you stating there is less I'm sure you are one of the people on vacation using a other account. There is a lot more fun pugs going on now!
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