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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    No, we will enjoy threads about barbs whining they're not wanted in BYOH teams, because they can't have cocoon.
    BYOH team? Fancy way of saying soloers that can't solo unless in a group.




    They can pick it up at L20 in U20.

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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Ok. I just saw meteor swarm in depths chain

    Maybe they shouldnt fix it....my life will never be so funny.

    /sarcasm off

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    Please fix.

    As for whether or not it should be a punishable exploit, that depends on how it is done. (since I do not know)

    I usually TR right at 20. (on those rare occasions I TR) So I have never had any twists active when I TRed a toon.

    If it is just an accident... (oh, I TRed... and it left me these twists active.. cool) Then no punishment.. just fix.

    But if there is some trick..(do this and then this and then TR and you get to use your twists...) Then nuke em all from orbit, just to be sure.
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    ..., but I honestly think the solution is to group with less whiny people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon_Moonshadow View Post
    Please fix.

    As for whether or not it should be a punishable exploit, that depends on how it is done. (since I do not know)

    I usually TR right at 20. (on those rare occasions I TR) So I have never had any twists active when I TRed a toon.

    If it is just an accident... (oh, I TRed... and it left me these twists active.. cool) Then no punishment.. just fix.

    But if there is some trick..(do this and then this and then TR and you get to use your twists...) Then nuke em all from orbit, just to be sure.
    The way you get it to work is not at all complicated and no part of getting it to work feels like you are doing something sneaky. The thing that makes it feel like it might be an exploit is simply that it is too good to be true. If it were limited to just passive buffs and healing skills I might have thought they gave us that ability on purpose, but some of the abilities do huge damage at low levels which pretty much told me that it was not working as intended.
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    It has been stated that this will be fixed in U20

    However from my play experience the majority of the population would want to keep this as a feature of heroic TRing but may be afraid to say so. In my opinion someone who levels to 20, then grinds to 28, grinds all the EDs and then TRs SHOULD have an advantage over someone who simply grinds to 20 and TRs straight away.

    I have been playing since launch but never really TRd much ... I usually do 3 lives on a toon then play to cap and grind EDs.

    Once this gets "fixed" you will certainly feel the hit in the 1-20 scene and we will probably see DOOM threads about ghost servers or whatever else someone wants to complain about

    With U20 I will be TRing in the 20 - 28 scene until that gets stale ... then I will probs take a break from DDO if nothing new and interesting comes along. (Note also I personally feel that the 20-28 grind will become endless daily runs of Von 3, House of Blades, ID and a few other choice quests which will get stale fast. Not too mention how underwhelming the Epic TR bonuses seem to be)

    If Heroic Twisting is kept as a feature the fun will literally never end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Explain me difference from a new players' perspective, what's the difference between me pwning mobs with EDs, and with maximized empowered acid blasts with 1k mana at lvl5 or 6 (before just spam maximized empowered slas) on my multiple TRed sorc with twink gear.

    I asked that many times, and no ED at low lvl hater can't answer that question.
    its pretty simple mate... a new player can roll a sorc, take the feats and the spells and blast rooms almost as easy as any vet, but cant do the ED tricks.

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    They're fixing it in U20. Never was a problem for me since I don't really reincarnate all that much and I solo for most part.

    Exploits sucks but it doesn't effect my gameplay personally. Not even if I ran heroic stuff. As long as it gets fixed I'm happy. Personally I think the dup problem was scores worse. It effected all of us. Someone exploiting by using twists in heroic sucks but it's a individual problem as suppose to server wide market issue - like with dups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patang01 View Post
    Personally I think the dup problem was scores worse. It effected all of us. Someone exploiting by using twists in heroic sucks but it's a individual problem as suppose to server wide market issue - like with dups.
    Just to set the record straight, duping affected me not at all. I've bought maybe 2 small things in the shard auction ever, and rarely buy anything in the AH, usually just low level stuff when I reincarnate so I don't have to keep +3 rings and stuff in my inventory.

    So the duping affected me not at all.

    But I have personally lost 3 friends who were new to playing the game and were completely turned off by a twister/zerger at very low levels as they were just starting to get their feet wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Njohrd View Post
    its pretty simple mate... a new player can roll a sorc, take the feats and the spells and blast rooms almost as easy as any vet, but cant do the ED tricks.

    sadness
    No, not really.

    He won't have gear giving enough spellpower to outright killing everything, won't have gear giving enough mana to do so (like +400 mana from lvl5 item), he won't have knowledge where everything is in quest.

    Whatever you do, new player will always feel useless with vet(s) in quest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AzB View Post
    But I have personally lost 3 friends who were new to playing the game and were completely turned off by a twister/zerger at very low levels as they were just starting to get their feet wet.
    That is the second time I have heard you make that claim in this thread. Is it truly your belief that if that Zerger had not used twists all 3 of your friends would still be playing today? I find that hard to believe. If they actually liked the game then someone using twists at low levels would probably not be enough to turn them off. Chances are they were not the biggest fans to begin with. It also sounds like you did an excellent job of convincing them to leave the game. When they met this zerger/exploiter did you tell your friends that he was just using a high level reward from having TRed after grinding out a ton of experience at epic levels or did you say he was a dirty cheater and the game never stops dirty cheaters and leaves exploits in the game for years? The former sounds like someone that wants to sell his friends on the game. The latter sounds like someone that is trying to convince his friends not to play the game. Somehow I think if they were my friends this entire incident would have had a much smaller impact on their decision to play and may even have been something I could have turned into a positive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Explain me difference from a new players' perspective, what's the difference between me pwning mobs with EDs, and with maximized empowered acid blasts with 1k mana at lvl5 or 6 (before just spam maximized empowered slas) on my multiple TRed sorc with twink gear.

    I asked that many times, and no ED at low lvl hater can't answer that question.
    1. Not everyone rolls sorcs.

    2. Acid blast is level 6 on a sorc. Dont need to wait that long when exploiting EDs.

    3. Integrity. If you have to cheat to enjoy the game, its either not a good game, or youre jaded to the point where nothing else is fun.

    4. You dont see the difference between 6d6 and 30d20, or 10d100? LOL

    5. If you attempt to claim the difference in #4 is only semantic, lets give all kobolds, bugbears, and hobgoblins primal scream and boulder toss. Youll learn the difference real quick.
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    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    1. Not everyone rolls sorcs.

    2. Acid blast is level 6 on a sorc. Dont need to wait that long when exploiting EDs.

    3. Integrity. If you have to cheat to enjoy the game, its either not a good game, or youre jaded to the point where nothing else is fun.

    4. You dont see the difference between 6d6 and 30d20, or 10d100? LOL

    5. If you attempt to claim the difference in #4 is only semantic, lets give all kobolds, bugbears, and hobgoblins primal scream and boulder toss. Youll learn the difference real quick.
    From new players' point of viev, there is no difference between vet oneshotting everything with ED or with normal spell.
    All mobs are dead, and I'm not needed here. That's what new player sees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    From new players' point of viev, there is no difference between vet oneshotting everything with ED or with normal spell.
    All mobs are dead, and I'm not needed here. That's what new player sees.
    And you killed that new players immersion by doing everything for them, and they learn nothing other than how to be carried by either cheaters, or twinks.

    Now how about attempting to refute each one of my line items, since you claimed no one could answer that question. I gave you 5 answers, and none of them are able to be refuted. If what you are saying is true, we could give all kobolds those tier 1 ED abilities and the result would be the same right?

    I dont think so.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    From new players' point of viev, there is no difference between vet oneshotting everything with ED or with normal spell.
    All mobs are dead, and I'm not needed here. That's what new player sees.
    There is a significant difference. If the vet does it with spells and abilities the new player can have legitimate access to, then the new player can be inspired and learn to one shot or make better builds themselves. I made a bunch of new characters of all types before being inspired and sticking to Sorc as my first high level character. If the vet does it with abilities the new player cannot have access to, the new player may feel slighted or second class, but at least they can see what's going on. What is probably the worst is actually when you use hidden passives like dance of flowers or improved power attack or legendary tactics to get a ton of hidden power that new players can't figure out and get frustrated trying to duplicate.

    I change my position. I maintain that a sorc is more powerful than any ED set, but that ED sets can be more frustrating to new players than a Sorc. At least everyone understands, expects, and can clearly see what is going on when a Sorc torches a room, and can duplicate it if they like what they see.
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    Sure, because new player will never be able to TR and farm EDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Sure, because new player will never be able to TR and farm EDs.
    Hopefully they will either use common sense to understand how a 10d100 ability at level 1 is obviously not WAI, or they will read the confirmation on these very forums that its not WAI, and then choose not to use it til they get back to 20.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    once again, its not a exploit if all you have to do it hit a checkbox

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    Quote Originally Posted by toaftoaf View Post
    once again, its not a exploit if all you have to do it hit a checkbox
    When its confirmed as not WAI, and the rules specifically state that you cant benefit from unintended bugs....its an exploit.

    17.You will not exploit, distribute or publicly communicate any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage within the Dungeons&Dragons Online game world. Bugs should be reported via the Ingame Bug Reporting Form.
    It was declared not working as intended weeks ago on these very forums.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    I say Nay.

    I love using my twists. Like someone said. If you put the work in doing the EDs then you should get some kind of benefit at low levels.
    I speeds leveling my TR but dosnt really make it much easier.
    I hope they keep the bug as is or make it a specific ability at ED completions.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Hopefully they will either use common sense to understand how a 10d100 ability at level 1 is obviously not WAI, or they will read the confirmation on these very forums that its not WAI, and then choose not to use it til they get back to 20.
    Who are you to declare what is wrong and what is OK?
    Sure, devs said its not WAI, but only after people like you was bashing those using it for months, demaning bans, character deletions, and god know what else.

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