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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    players who use bugs to their advantage is whats wrong with the community.
    Agreed. The new player trying to keep up in the new quest is reminded how bad off they really are compared to the twisting TR'S that are running around of late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJi72 View Post
    The cat is already out of the bag. It is being used in every party I run with. I will never use it, and would prefer that others do not either.

    I really hope that they fix it soon.

    If you think it should be corrected as soon as possible, type " Yay".

    If you think it is inconsequential, or don't want them to fix it, type "Nay".

    I vote YAY!

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    Nay! Gotta love the self healing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    because he cares about his pixels and doesn't want his easy button to be removed. OMG, he might have to actually put a little effort into playing. the horror!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzB View Post
    Okay, two things wrong with this.

    1: If you have a bunch of vets with pet meteor swarms, cocoon, and primal scream in grouping with noobs in Korthos, you are essentially cheating the noobs of the wonder and learning curve that is the early game. They are far more likely to get bored and quit, as no one wants to be so severely outclassed in a game like this.

    2: I have a completionist, and he's got triples on a few classes that are important to him. Never used a stone, never used an ED. I understand what you're saying about groups, but the thing is, when there are no groups I solo. And it's simply not a problem soloing much of the heroic content. And I rarely use hirelings, the one exception would be my first barb life. After the first life, I multiclassed him so I wouldn't be dependent on hires.

    Personally, I could care less if you want to solo and use your EDs. No skin off of my nose. But I lost several new friends in the game because of EDs at low levels. And you wonder why there's no one to group with?



    I agree it is silly to use that stuff in Korthos, and i see that it could hurt te game. To that point I would post " NO ED"S" with my group. I also understand that you have put in all the time to make you charcter better kind sucks when other plaer can be more powerful on there second llife. I solo till level 5 becuase it's faster, or run wit friends, but niether of us can speak for everyone. Life and games take some willingness to adjust, you can't just think it will remain the same.

    It's seem to me 90 percent of us know ED are being used, if it's nota small group wit problems with it why don't I see any groups posting "NO ED's". I think the answer is there isn't enough of us around for anyone t be that picky. I know i run with pug groups and see the same poeple from day to da personally. I think losing more player isn't a fix. Posting no ED's is a easy fix, but thas just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimborn View Post
    Agreed. The new player trying to keep up in the new quest is reminded how bad off they really are compared to the twisting TR'S that are running around of late.
    Explain me difference from a new players' perspective, what's the difference between me pwning mobs with EDs, and with maximized empowered acid blasts with 1k mana at lvl5 or 6 (before just spam maximized empowered slas) on my multiple TRed sorc with twink gear.

    I asked that many times, and no ED at low lvl hater can't answer that question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzB View Post
    1: If you have a bunch of vets with pet meteor swarms, cocoon, and primal scream in grouping with noobs in Korthos, you are essentially cheating the noobs of the wonder and learning curve that is the early game. They are far more likely to get bored and quit, as no one wants to be so severely outclassed in a game like this.
    A veteran can do this regardless of whether or not they are taking advantage of bugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    most groups use EDs and is accepted in most groups. it is actually hard to find groups that wont use them and it takes a long time to fill groups, even popular quests, when you don't want them to use EDs. even if they do join your group, they still use them when they get themselves in a jam and need a quick heal. in the beginning when it was more common knowledge and we realized what players were doing with this sudden increase in power, I used to ask people to stop using EDs and even had it posted in lfms. they still use them regardless and some actually think they are WAI. I solo most of the time anyways, but I do enjoy playing in groups. I stopped wasting my effort to be in an honest group and instead make these bug users work for their easy completion.
    The trouble is the supposedly "ethical" people use just as many cheesy tactics as the exploiters. Far and away the most common use of ED's I see is the rejuvenation cocoon. How many of the people that claim to be too good to twist that in at heroic levels instead carry a stack of cure serious wound potions or pump UMD into every character so they can use heal scrolls? All of those actions serve the same purpose of making the game too easy. If you are a barbarian you shouldn't be able to heal. The challenge of playing a barbarian is knowing that you will only get your health back when one of your party members finally feels like giving it back to you (which makes you be more careful). If you are going to take the easy route it doesn't matter if you are using a ridiculous number of healing potions (way more than any D&D character would ever carry), putting UMD into classes that were never meant to have it (if it is not a class skill or you are not a naturally high charisma class then UMD was probably not something ever really intended for your class), or simply using an exploit to twist in an epic healing ability. They are all equally cheesy tactics that server to circumvent any challenge the game could possibly provide.

    It has gotten to the point where if you are not using one of these cheesy tactics you are considered a bad player. Gone are the days where classes had roles to fill and you could be good at your role. Now you are expected to use cheesy tactics to be self-sufficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erethizon View Post
    The trouble is the supposedly "ethical" people use just as many cheesy tactics as the exploiters.
    How is not limiting your character to a very narrow skill-set considered using "cheesy tactics"? Keeping in mind of course that by increasing your self-sufficiency you generally lose in other aspects. Heal scrolls, at least for a new player, require a considerable investment to take advantage of. Not the least of which is having to drop Rage in order to use them. Cure potions can at least be used during Rage, but they're insufficient by themselves unless you are taking an approximately 30 to 45 second break between fights to chug them.

    Regardless of which tactic you use though, a player still has to understand how to play their Barbarian properly as neither method is sufficient to keep you alive if you do something stupid.
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    Count me in the /Nay column as well. (really picking my thread replies carefully here it seems)

    I actually think this should be implemented as one of the coolest reasons to a) TR and b) grind awful repetative quests over and over at epic levels.

    My question is this: if turbine had added this as a feature and charged TP for it, would half the boards still get shirty about it because it is p2p or shut up and try and get some character leveled and enjoy it?

    Do we really have to go back to using repair and heal kits to allow shrines to operate to make you happy?

    This was the first thing i've ever really found exciting about the game, TR'ing, and Epic content. It actually blended the entire game into a continuing saga that allowed vast potential for future crazy builds and things to make the grind less ... grindy.

    Heck, you want to really impress me? Make it a total favor reward to unlock it... say 5000 favor, or buy it in the store for TP. Now that would really be something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Explain me difference from a new players' perspective, what's the difference between me pwning mobs with EDs, and with maximized empowered acid blasts with 1k mana at lvl5 or 6 (before just spam maximized empowered slas) on my multiple TRed sorc with twink gear.

    I asked that many times, and no ED at low lvl hater can't answer that question.
    But but...............its not WAI!!!! It doesn't matter if you can pwn everything without the twists and the new players and flower sniffers are running after you following the trail of corpses. Its not WAI!!!!!! its a bug!!!! oh noes!!!!!!!! Its getting fixed soon but I cannot stand the horror any longer!!!!!! booohooohooohooohooohooohooooohoooo!!!! Once its fixed we can then turn our attentions to zergers, tr's, people splashing for self healing, sorcs/wizards OP at heroic levels, heal scrolls, SF pots!!! Twinked gear..............all those things that other people use, that I don't or I can't be bothered to use. It really really annoys the hell out of me that people play differently to how I play!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyodaemon View Post
    This is happening. (New Stones)


    But in all seriousness... if a bug has persisted for this long, and has been incredibly well received by the playerbase..call it a feature?
    Limit characters to up to 3 Tier 1 twists, and let them run as they wish?
    This bug is notably attributed to a massive increase in pugs vs the older method of small static groups/soloers who will dominate Heroic content REGARDLESS of this bug.
    Most players using it enjoy it, and it's no different to putting 'no zerg' into your lfm if you prefer not to run with those that do.

    Is it gamebreaking? Yes. Potentially. But it's fun. And players have responded well. Non-Issue
    It's aggravating and I would say it annoys more people than it is enjoyed I can't wait to see it gone wish it had been gone long ago don't want to see people punished for using it but it's the worst exploit since duping


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drwaz99 View Post
    There has been official comments on this from Cordovan:



    https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5104207

    It seem they are getting sick of the number of thread on this too.
    Then they should have fixed it a year and a half ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somethingtosay View Post
    /Yay...

    I am in the TR land again....and just....I have to laugh everytime I see it. The most common are probably primal scream, cocoon and healing spring. I can use it as well. But I dont. And its not because some moral thing...its just because it seems ridiculous to me. Like I mean really? Do you really have to use this in level 5 quest? Sorry...but too funny.
    No kidding. I run arties - only one person beat me in kill count in heroic content this past life, and he was running a well built monk with a matching ED. There were lots of other melees using ED twists, too, but none of them could keep up to an arties' level of dps output in heroic (it drops off dramatically in EE content, while melee rises equally dramatically). When I saw melee actually killing stuff - say, getting 1/3rd my kill count - I knew they had twists active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJi72 View Post
    The cat is already out of the bag. It is being used in every party I run with. I will never use it, and would prefer that others do not either.

    I really hope that they fix it soon.

    If you think it should be corrected as soon as possible, type " Yay".

    If you think it is inconsequential, or don't want them to fix it, type "Nay".

    I vote YAY!

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    It will be fixed in u20.

    Then we can all enjoy the threads on how hard the game is without the use of Epic abilities in Heroic content.

    Much popcorn will be consumed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shyft View Post
    Count me in the /Nay column as well. (really picking my thread replies carefully here it seems)

    I actually think this should be implemented as one of the coolest reasons to a) TR and b) grind awful repetative quests over and over at epic levels.

    My question is this: if turbine had added this as a feature and charged TP for it, would half the boards still get shirty about it because it is p2p or shut up and try and get some character leveled and enjoy it?

    Do we really have to go back to using repair and heal kits to allow shrines to operate to make you happy?

    This was the first thing i've ever really found exciting about the game, TR'ing, and Epic content. It actually blended the entire game into a continuing saga that allowed vast potential for future crazy builds and things to make the grind less ... grindy.

    Heck, you want to really impress me? Make it a total favor reward to unlock it... say 5000 favor, or buy it in the store for TP. Now that would really be something.
    i had no opinion either way until read this.
    winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erethizon View Post
    The trouble is the supposedly "ethical" people use just as many cheesy tactics as the exploiters. Far and away the most common use of ED's I see is the rejuvenation cocoon. How many of the people that claim to be too good to twist that in at heroic levels instead carry a stack of cure serious wound potions or pump UMD into every character so they can use heal scrolls? All of those actions serve the same purpose of making the game too easy. If you are a barbarian you shouldn't be able to heal. The challenge of playing a barbarian is knowing that you will only get your health back when one of your party members finally feels like giving it back to you (which makes you be more careful). If you are going to take the easy route it doesn't matter if you are using a ridiculous number of healing potions (way more than any D&D character would ever carry), putting UMD into classes that were never meant to have it (if it is not a class skill or you are not a naturally high charisma class then UMD was probably not something ever really intended for your class), or simply using an exploit to twist in an epic healing ability. They are all equally cheesy tactics that server to circumvent any challenge the game could possibly provide.

    It has gotten to the point where if you are not using one of these cheesy tactics you are considered a bad player. Gone are the days where classes had roles to fill and you could be good at your role. Now you are expected to use cheesy tactics to be self-sufficient.
    what you described is not how i play. it is expected to use "cheese tactics" in groups, but a lot of times its run in and kill because that's how easy the game has gotten. people say that fighting in doorways is a cheese tactic. i don't see it that way. real world armies use bottleneck tactics as well. mob AI has been needed to be improved for a long time now to get them to "think" better in certain situations and use more variety of spells and attacks than the limited actions they have now.

    DDO is not the same as D&D. there are some likeness to it, but a lot of it isn't translated over into a game like it is in PnP. barbarians aren't the only class that are able to have an unlimited supply of csw pots. wizards are able to cast the same spells over and over, unlike in D&D. honestly, its not perfect and i think certain things are too OP and cooldowns are too long or too short and we have way more power than in D&D, but i like how actions and certain PnP limitations are ignored/extended in a real time action game.

    the builds that have self sufficiency or evasion built into them is because of the "im not your nanny" or "i don't want you to be my nanny" mentality. players want the ease of leveling, shrug off damage and easy self healing. it makes the game a lot easier, but that's not how i play. i still play what i think is fun and make it work. i have 2 pure barbarians, a soon to be on a TR train 18R/2F and a pure WF fighter. that's what i think is fun to play and i don't make their lives easier while leveling by mixing monk or changing their race to helf. i don't have the wrong type of mentality now that the game is at the point you need to be self sufficient and don't expect help. even my no umd characters can still help out a group while also taking care of themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    It will be fixed in u20.

    Then we can all enjoy the threads on how hard the game is without the use of Epic abilities in Heroic content.

    Much popcorn will be consumed.
    No, we will enjoy threads about barbs whining they're not wanted in BYOH teams, because they can't have cocoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJi72 View Post
    The cat is already out of the bag. It is being used in every party I run with.
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    What say you?
    I say I had not used it till yesterday, but your post encouraged me to load up my ex-NovaSoul with energy blast, boulder toss and wild shot and go take it for a spin. Was a blast. Thanks for spreading the message that it is so widely accepted, here I thought it was just a random bug that no one was using.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    No, we will enjoy threads about barbs whining they're not wanted in BYOH teams, because they can't have cocoon.
    BYOH team? Fancy way of saying soloers that can't solo unless in a group.




    They can pick it up at L20 in U20.

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    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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