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    Default Bastard Sword/Shield Paladin Build Suggestions

    Hi, I have a level 9 Drow Paladin that I'm trying to fix. This is one of my older toons that I'm trying to get motivated to play again.

    I recently re-speced him as a 2 handed fighter but the survivability was horrible. So now I want to remake this Paladin that mainly uses a Bastard Sword and shield.

    Feat suggestions? I'm thinking: Exotic WP: Bastard Sword, Toughness, 3 THF feats for glancing blows. Cleave/Great Cleave?

    Main stat will be Strength with a decent Constitution and Charisma score. I will mostly fill up the Sacred Defender tree. ( I wanna have good survivability with decent DPS)

    Since Drow Paladin is so feat starved, should I take two levels of fighter for the feats and tower shield proficiency?

    Or should I take 2 levels of Monk for 2 Feats and Evasion? If monk, should I wear robes to stay centered? Does centered matter? Or just I just wear a good light armor so Evasion will work? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Set View Post
    Hi, I have a level 9 Drow Paladin that I'm trying to fix. This is one of my older toons that I'm trying to get motivated to play again.

    I recently re-speced him as a 2 handed fighter but the survivability was horrible. So now I want to remake this Paladin that mainly uses a Bastard Sword and shield.

    Feat suggestions? I'm thinking: Exotic WP: Bastard Sword, Toughness, 3 THF feats for glancing blows. Cleave/Great Cleave?

    Main stat will be Strength with a decent Constitution and Charisma score. I will mostly fill up the Sacred Defender tree. ( I wanna have good survivability with decent DPS)

    Since Drow Paladin is so feat starved, should I take two levels of fighter for the feats and tower shield proficiency?

    Or should I take 2 levels of Monk for 2 Feats and Evasion? If monk, should I wear robes to stay centered? Does centered matter? Or just I just wear a good light armor so Evasion will work? Thanks
    You can't stay centered with the bastard sword unless you take at least 5 levels of fighter and go up the kensai tree to tier 5 and take One With the Blade, so just use Monk for evasion if you decide to go that route. Unless you decide to add in 6 levels of fighter. 5 doesn't do much except unlock the enhancements, might as well go 6 for the extra feat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riekan View Post
    You can't stay centered with the bastard sword unless you take at least 5 levels of fighter and go up the kensai tree to tier 5 and take One With the Blade, so just use Monk for evasion if you decide to go that route. Unless you decide to add in 6 levels of fighter. 5 doesn't do much except unlock the enhancements, might as well go 6 for the extra feat.
    8 levels of fighter, you need greater weapon focus for One with the Blade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riekan View Post
    You can't stay centered with the bastard sword unless you take at least 5 levels of fighter and go up the kensai tree to tier 5 and take One With the Blade
    One w/Blade takes 8 ftr lvls; you need Gtr Weap Focus.

    OP: If you're going S&B, you definitely want Shield Mastery & ISM; add in Legendary SM from Unyielding Sentinel+Zeal and you're up to 25% doublestrike before gear & other buffs. If you also take Imp Shield Bash, consider ftr 2 splash so you can add Shield Striking; that gets your shield bash to 35% (assuming WAI).
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    If you also take Imp Shield Bash, consider ftr 2 splash so you can add Shield Striking; that gets your shield bash to 35% (assuming WAI).
    It is. This would probably significantly change the intended build but if you were willing to go deep into StD tree you could take, at least, 5 levels of Fighter and grab Block and Cut. That would give you 25% doublestrike that you're able to keep up 50% of the time.

    Between that, Zeal and shield you're looking at 50% doublestrike. As a Bsword user you'll also get access to First Blood which would mean 65% doublestrike.

    That would increase your dps by a sizable amount - but it does cost a LOT of enhancement points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xianio View Post
    This would probably significantly change the intended build but if you were willing to go deep into StD tree you could take, at least, 5 levels of Fighter and grab Block and Cut. That would give you 25% doublestrike that you're able to keep up 50% of the time.
    At that point, I would do pal 14 / ftr 6: 36 APs into Stalwart for Shield Striking + Block&Cut + max Stalwart Stance; a few APs in Sacred D. (mostly extra LoHs & Righteousness); the rest into DPS & survivability boosts from Kensei, KotC, and racial trees. For feats I'd want Power Atk/CL/GC; IC:Slash; SM+ISM+ISB; THF x3; b.sword (or d.axe). There are a few drawbacks, like no Evasion and only getting 1 lvl 4 spell slot; but it's probably as good as S&B DPS on a mostly-pally build gets.

    Once the racial PrEs get added, my hope is to do something similar with dwarf pal 15 / ftr 3 / monk 2, only using Dwarven Defender instead of Stalwart; same # of feats, but this time with Evasion, CSW, and a couple other monk goodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Once the racial PrEs get added, my hope is to do something similar with dwarf pal 15 / ftr 3 / monk 2, only using Dwarven Defender instead of Stalwart; same # of feats, but this time with Evasion, CSW, and a couple other monk goodies.
    Rolled up the other day a S&B PDK pal 13 - fighter 2 - monk 2 with a D-AXE and the dps was surprisingly good, with the changes to DM and with buffs his strength got to 42 on a level 15 fist lifer. I do not know if it is the PDK, S&B or something else but the cleave and g-cleave animations were very fast never played a S&B before so I do not know how it was before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    At that point, I would do pal 14 / ftr 6: 36 APs into Stalwart for Shield Striking + Block&Cut + max Stalwart Stance; a few APs in Sacred D. (mostly extra LoHs & Righteousness); the rest into DPS & survivability boosts from Kensei, KotC, and racial trees. For feats I'd want Power Atk/CL/GC; IC:Slash; SM+ISM+ISB; THF x3; b.sword (or d.axe). There are a few drawbacks, like no Evasion and only getting 1 lvl 4 spell slot; but it's probably as good as S&B DPS on a mostly-pally build gets.

    Once the racial PrEs get added, my hope is to do something similar with dwarf pal 15 / ftr 3 / monk 2, only using Dwarven Defender instead of Stalwart; same # of feats, but this time with Evasion, CSW, and a couple other monk goodies.
    Interestingly, since you mentioned working up the Stalwart Tree, instead of the Sacred Defender tree, I've looked at this pretty seriously. The main drawback is that you lose the extra positive spell power. That's a pretty big deal, IMHO.
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