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    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    Seriously? This is what has you up in arms? Turbine slowing down the TR train? Seriously?
    THey are not slowing down the TR train. They are killing it.


    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    TR is not required.

    Anyone that wants to TR has already done so many times.

    You are going to complete Sagas ANYWAY, because you are going to want to farm the rewards.
    No I am not going to run the sagas for the rewards because they limit the choices. It is an either or choice. either take the comm of valor or skill tome or xp reward. Where as with the epic tokens you get in the end chest and then get a choice of rewards.

    and several people are still doing the TR because we enjoy the heroic level content.

    You are right that TR is not required, but for some it is a lot of fun. Reduce that fun and we shall find our fun somewhere else, in a different game most likely. My friends and I that enjoy the TR process are currently all VIP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorlong View Post
    Yup, I totally missed that one word in a massive Release notes post. Burn me at the stake.

    Sounds like allowing for comms in Heroic saga completions lists would go a long way towards making things right.

    If this thread were asking for that, I would fully support it. It doesn't. It encourages what amounts to trying to crash the server.

    We are also forgetting that there will be more sagas in the future, for even more quest diversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    Sounds like you would have a valid complaint, except you admit it affects you not at all.

    Increasing the time requirement is not the same as increasing grind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    Sounds like allowing for comms in Heroic saga completions lists would go a long way towards making things right.
    Yes. It that has been stated in several threads. It would also need alot more sagas in the heroic content too, and it would need them when this goes live.
    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    We are also forgetting that there will be more sagas in the future, for even more quest diversity.
    If it goes live without what I stated above (or some alternative that I find reasonable), I can't speak for anyone but me, but I will leave, and I will not be checking back to see later, I will just be done. They need to get it right the first time, it goes live, (as far as what is intended, I am more understanding about unintended bugs) not just get it out to live and fix it (what is intended to be they way it works) in a later update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    No actually, I was going to TR more, but not if I have to run sagas.
    That's your choice. Maybe if you hold your breath Turbine will relent and stop abusing you.

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    still ignorant, maybe caps will help you: ONLY EPIC SAGAS WILL GIVE COMS, NOT HEROIC!
    Yup, totally missed that one. Seems like it's the only thing worth complaining about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    As to which quests I like, well that would be most heroic quests with the exclusion of half the gianthold walkups and everything in the necropolis.
    Color me shocked, you do not like non-linear quests with a high degree of inherent difficulty. What was that about wrong assumptions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    I run everything on elite. I will not play quests I do not enjoy for any reason. I will not play them on casual because I will still not enjoy them.You seem incapable of getting it through you head that difficulty of quests is not a reason people don't run some things.
    And if you choose to only run a very select list of quests, how is that Turbine's fault again? Also, you don't like difficult quests, you like Easy quests, you are just running them at 2 levels higher mob hp/trap damage. Lie to yourself all you want, but I'm not buying it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    I have run every quest in the game. I try new quests to see if I will miraculously start liking FR content. I do so so I can be honest when I say I hate them. You tell me to play the game to have fun, but now you are telling me to play the parts I hate till I like them.
    The people running the quests on lower difficulty are not running them with you and you and them would not have fun together, so why do you care how they have fun?
    As a note, you should stop making assumptions about my playstyle as so far, you have not had a single correct assumption.
    So you try each quest once, and then decide most of them suck? You are not the majority, dude. Why would you play a game at all (paying for it, even) when you hate the majority of it? I would respond to the rest, but it reads like gibberish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    If this thread were asking for that, I would fully support it. It doesn't. It encourages what amounts to trying to crash the server.

    We are also forgetting that there will be more sagas in the future, for even more quest diversity.
    Even though I understand that you're most likely having fun with this thread, can't you see this is one true issue that will cut the legs off some players that relied on farming an already decent amount of useless stuff to use the number one mechanic that brings longetivity to the game? It's not like if TR wasn't a source of money (from some - think boxes) through the re-leveling process that it is fair that there is also a way to get it for free in a way.

    If at least it would affect gameplay in general or you negatively in any way... maybe I would understand but right now you're pushing it.
    It's that one other fight after the wipe-it-all that needs to be won for TRers to keep staying active. To some, that is all there is to the game... not epic levels. And it's their choices to enjoy whatever part they want without being penalized on something that seemed already fair to begin with.

    Heroic vs Epic levels are kind of 2 different games to me. Or at least when it comes to your character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    Sounds like allowing for comms in Heroic saga completions lists would go a long way towards making things right.
    Nope, wouldn't. A drop in an ocean. The core problem will stay - you're forced to run a small list of quests with little choice over and over. Unless they add around 10-20 more new sagas and DRASTICALLY drop the grind, the changes are ridiculous.

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    Biggest guild on wayfinder? ;o
    We could totally revitalize the server if Turbine listened to us :O
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorlong View Post
    I have invested money. Lots of it, every month. I have spent, in four years, around $1,000 a year, and plan on spending more. That isn't the point though. I had an option in game to do it, and now, in order to do it, you have to sink half a year to grind it. It is NOT an exaggeration, it is fact. Running it on epic hard, the entire saga, nets you 17 comms. Just to do a normal TR and get a normal Heroic Heart, you need to run the Gianthold saga on EH 53 times. The entire saga, on epic only. 53 times. That's over a month at 2 hours a night doing nothing but Gianthold quests on Epic Hard. Epic TR is running EGH on EH 118 times. So, while my original numbers were off (I was going based off of the 150 runs someone else mentioned) it is still 147 days at 2 hours a day.

    That is a bit much to ask. Now, take all epic level packs and make them sagas with the same reward, awesome, much better. Still not great, as it still takes the same amount of time, but at least you can vary your play somewhat. Now cut the requirement down about 3/4ths, and you have something much more manageable. It would still take over a month to get the Epic heart, but about a week for a heroic. This is still longer than what some people do now, but about on par with what the average gamer gets.
    1. Sounds like running it on EE would speed things up. Whats your math on that? Using EH as the benchmark is WHY its an exaggeration.
    2. You spend $1000 a year on DDO? I find that difficult to believe. And if it is true, whats the big deal? Buy a heart.
    3. Why is 1 week to TR your "OK" number? Seems too easy to me. What's wrong with a month? It slows down the hamster wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausdoerrt View Post
    Nope, wouldn't. A drop in an ocean. The core problem will stay - you're forced to run a small list of quests with little choice over and over. Unless they add around 10-20 more new sagas and DRASTICALLY drop the grind, the changes are ridiculous.


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    Turbine sure knows how to unite the player base~!

    Guys, please do not feed the trolls. Let's not give them an excuse to close this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    Sounds like you would have a valid complaint, except you admit it affects you not at all.

    Increasing the time requirement is not the same as increasing grind.

    Also, those numbers are subject to change.

    Thank you for not devolving into another of the gibbering herd of sheep that just like to complain.
    Wait a second. So... you mean, we have to pay FOUR accounts before we have the right to complain? On top of spending $1000?

    You do realize a lot of us have an ongoing subscription and already bought two of the expansion packs, right? Or well, at least I have... and I also got the collector's edition.

    I still don't have the right of complain?

    Your perception is really interesting...

    Annnnd... so much for not insulting anyone. You are a beacon of maturity, you.

    EDIT: Oh wait a second. That guy who spent that much got his head whacked in for complaining. Spend another $15! There is no winning with this guy at all, he is just determined to say we are all wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    We are also forgetting that there will be more sagas in the future, for even more quest diversity.
    Yeah, as soon as we get Cleric domains, I'm sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicMew View Post
    Guys, please do not feed the trolls. Let's not give them an excuse to close this thread.
    Double-edged sword here. You're right, but then again, the trolls are helping us keep the thread on top of the forums, and are making pages grow, attracting more and more attention.
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    My character slots are maxxed out. If I log onto another server, will I get empty character slots? I'll join in if I can create a new character on a different server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausdoerrt View Post
    Yeah, as soon as we get Cleric domains, I'm sure.



    Double-edged sword here. You're right, but then again, the trolls are helping us keep the thread on top of the forums, and are making pages grow, attracting more and more attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    My character slots are maxxed out. If I log onto another server, will I get empty character slots? I'll join in if I can create a new character on a different server.
    Isn't slot count a per server thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    My character slots are maxxed out. If I log onto another server, will I get empty character slots? I'll join in if I can create a new character on a different server.
    It is limited character slots per server. So do feel free to drop by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausdoerrt View Post
    Yeah, as soon as we get Cleric domains, I'm sure.



    Double-edged sword here. You're right, but then again, the trolls are helping us keep the thread on top of the forums, and are making pages grow, attracting more and more attention.
    No, as soon as ladder bug is fixed or as soon as they fix house c challenges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    Color me shocked, you do not like non-linear quests with a high degree of inherent difficulty. What was that about wrong assumptions?
    You say this as if the only non linear quests in the game are the ones in gianthold, necropolis or forgotten realms. It is like you don't even know what quests are outside the sagas.


    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    And if you choose to only run a very select list of quests, how is that Turbine's fault again?
    So me liking most of the heroic quests in the game amounts to only running a select list of quests, but only running saga quests does not? Who ever said it was turbines fault anyway? No where turbine and I disagree is where they take away my current capability to tr via running quests I like, and replacing it with a much more limited way to TR via only quests I dislike. If they don't do that, I don't have an issue.


    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    Also, you don't like difficult quests, you like Easy quests, you are just running them at 2 levels higher mob hp/trap damage. Lie to yourself all you want, but I'm not buying it.
    There you go making assumptions again. It is like you think "that thing people say everyone does" is the way I play. To be honest I couldn't care less about what you think of they way anyone plays. You are avoiding the question though: why is it so important to you to force other people to only have fun they way YOU like?


    Quote Originally Posted by uncleblue View Post
    So you try each quest once, and then decide most of them suck? You are not the majority, dude. Why would you play a game at all (paying for it, even) when you hate the majority of it? I would respond to the rest, but it reads like gibberish.
    I have never claimed to speak for anyone but myself, so I don't know where the "you are not the majority' thing comes from. Heroic levels have much more content than epic levels, and ebberon has more content than the forgotten realms, so to say that me not liking epic levels is disliking the majority of the game is simply false information. I did not even say most quests suck, I said, most FR content sucks. The majority of the game is not set in the forgotten realms.

    Just curious, how many times do you have to do something before you figure out whether or not you like it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    My character slots are maxxed out. If I log onto another server, will I get empty character slots?
    Yup, come on over, and apply to the guild. Wayfinder, Marketplace, Instance 1.
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