While I am glad that Turbine is "reviewing the feedback", what I don't understand is why they proposed this idea in the first place? Who thought this was a good idea? Is it the same person who thought that erasing ED XP was a good idea?
Proposing ideas like this is taking up valuable development time that could be spent on other things. I understand the idea of changing the name of Tokens of the Twelve to better fit in with both Eberron and Faerun. But that's really all that needed to be changed is the name. I also understand the desire to make Sagas more rewarding. But all they had to do is add tokens to Saga rewards, not remove them from everywhere else.
I guess what I'm saying is that some ideas lately seem too extreme. Maybe a little moderation is in order.
and it's going to address the following concerns :
- Rate of acquiring the tokens ( or whatever you name it, should be similar as what we have now for the Tokens needed for the TR. Then you adjust the token cost for Epic and Iconic TR from there )
- BTA and not BTC
- Ties to Saga ( as in Absolutely NOT tied to Sagas )
On G-Land : Flavilandile, Blacklock, Yaelle, Millishande, Larilandile, Gildalinde, Tenalafel, and many other...
* Not very easy to track, having to run back to the NPC is no fun. I think the ideal would be to have each Saga tracked in a tab in the Quest Panel- or at least the read out of 'quest's to complete + difficulty of quests completed'.
* I do try to multitask, although I'm not entirely sure what happens if I claim one saga that shares others.
How about justification as to why anyone thought the numbers presented whether they are "placeholders" or something else were even a good enough idea to be put in the game?
We aren't stupid. And I'm not saying your trying to send that message but that's the message your sending irregardless..
A simple explanation as to the changes is not going to be enough. I and others want to know why you keep coming up these outrageous ideas.
Last edited by Drwaz99; 10-21-2013 at 12:27 PM.
Ok, I have to ask.
Is this switching to the Sagas change and thereby eliminating the Tokens of the 12 at all related (even in a minor way) to the recent "Duping Bug"? The timing of this change at least begs the question to be asked.
If so, why are you punishing the players that had absolutely nothing to do with it? If there are now thousands or millions of those tokens, action should be taken to remove them from the offenders, rather than just make the tokens completely worthless to everyone in the game?
If not, I hope that Turbine really sees and deals with the 100% negative reaction to this proposed change.
First phase out dungeon tokens, second review amount of comms received for sagas in relation to actual cost of hearts, third grant comms upon completion of any epic quests in FR or EB in the stead of tokens. Inform us of this change neow, as we will use the time we have between now and U20 to use up the tokens we already have.
If you going to get rid of functionality get rid of them altogether.
Last edited by Miow; 10-21-2013 at 12:23 PM.
People might be interested in the new thread that I just posted in this same section.
Do we deserve or not an answer on the removal of Heroic Hearts of Wood now?
MMOFallout has an article on the issue as well.
2 - The tracking is horrendous. Having to run around and find the NPCs with no in-game UI to support it? Why is it so hard to have a Saga tab on our Adventure Compendium? I want it to be formatted like an Excel spreadsheet with Quest Names down the left and Saga Titles along the top. Each Saga Title should have a hover-text description of where to find whom. Each header should also list total completions of that saga this life, just for funsies.
3 - I imagine most people are doing the same thing as me, and primarily running their preferred saga over and over, with the occasional dip into the others to fill in the gaps their preferred one doesn't cover.
3b -- Let's be at our most efficient, we'll run every quest in any of the 6 Epic Sagas. We'll run them all on hard, gaining 100% bonus XP over listed base (20% daily, 5% epic tome, then 75% from no deaths, no reentries, kills, traps, etc.) which is way low compared to actual in-game earnings, not to mention we won't include Ship or Item XP bonus, which is another 10%.
194,000 for 10 Gianthold Quests
78,000 for 4 LoD Chain
63,500 for Eveningstar 21s
63,000 for Eveningstar 22s
49,500 for Demonweb Chain
34,000 for 2 Eveningstar Side Quests
57,000 for Druid's Curse chain
80,000 for High Road chain
90,000 for Wheloon chain
93,500 for Stormhorn chain
802,400 (*2 for the bonus XP) = 1.6m XP
6 Sagas, at 17ish commendations each = 100 Comms
So, in order to earn a HEROIC TR, you will have to run those quests 9 times in order to have the parts to TR, which means you will earn 14.4m XP, which means in the time to earn enough parts to Heroic TR, you will have earned enough experience to go from 21-28 TWICE!
This math is low for how much XP you will actually earn, and doesn't even include multiple runs of various quests because of the difficulties of PUG groups needing different quests.
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