With that put out, allow me to convey some information to you in regards to what you just did. In the hope to inform, I want to explain to you that when you just take what people say and warp it into something other then what the person said, that is not conductive to mature or healthy discussion, in fact, this problem, or shall I say communication failure or breakdown as it were is so common, that it has it's very own name, it's called a "Straw-man", it's considered an informal logical fallacy and it results from when people pretty much just make up what their "opponent's" stand is and then argue against that. It is a common fallacy that people who can't have mature or polite discussion retort to, unfortunately and this when they do so, when "straw-men" enter the discussion, it quickly makes the discussion toxic.
Now, On the other side of the spectrum of discussions, the healthy mature discussion, when someone says "Something is Unlikely the recipient of that takes that to mean that the person believes "That's unlikely" and continues to exchange points and counter-points functioning on that mindset.
Well, as for the learn to read, well, there is no question that you can read the words themselves, you have just made it very clear that your openly willing to twist someones words to mean whatever you want them to mean. That means to me that I will be left to guess what you warped what I said into.
Yah, no thanks, I'll try to stick to people that you know, can comprehend what the other person is saying, and when I say "I think that's unlikely" they have the mental ability to process that into "He thinks that's unlikely" and not have a few wires crossed someplace to think "he means that impossible!"
Good day Sir.
Last edited by Ungood; 10-17-2013 at 09:20 AM. Reason: Arrrrggghhhh [Size!]
1 - I agree with op, leaders should be able to boot hires.
2 - Ungood is a troll.
3 - I see "no hires" lfms all the time on Thelanis.
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Ungood is just proving to be the "Bill O'reilly" of the DDO forums. If you don't know who that is just youtube it - TONS of people like to make fun of that guy. It's just a cheap laugh.
I'm mocking you Ungood. To put it more bluntly, I'm using the same argumentative techniques that you have employed in order to show how silly you've been in this thread to provide a good chuckle for those reading who happen to care for one.Ungood not quite getting the point
I'm effectively turning up the light on your trolling for the sake of laughing at the comedy of it. Now, in a few more posts I'll start playing the victim card to round out our little engagement and call it a day.
This way we all get a laugh. You get to troll and feel superior for "reasons" and we get to laugh at the farce.
\/ (to Ungood below) *sigh* If you're going to pretend to be "smart" and to tell people to "learn to read" you should at least be able to tell when someone isn't arguing "your" point. I never argued with you or anyone on the merits of the OP. I mocked and made fun of you without commenting on the OP. I have never "argued against my point" as my point is only that you are a dillhole. Something that I've been very consistent on.
Last edited by Xianio; 10-17-2013 at 10:58 AM.
I could get behind a lfm check box or something to that affect that prevented hires from being summoned, but what happens when the party changes their mind half way through the quest? The party leader able to uncheck the box to summon hires?
Another thing to think about are summons. I thought summons and Arty dogs were coded similarly to hires. Imagine the rage if a check box borked summons.
I still won't sign party leaders having the power to boot hires.
I wouldn't mock someone for having a difference of opinion. That's rude and makes me the ****. The OP might very well have been exaggerating, how could we know? Like I said, it's not the content of Ungood's arguments - it's the delivery.lol. by all means, mock me too. afterall, i have also doubted the veracity of the OP's claims
It's why it's funny to mock him while it would be rude to mock you. You don't mock the guy politely saying "I'm sorry, but I doubt the veracity of your claims as I have a significant amount of experience in this area and have yet to encounter what you describe." You mock the guy saying, "F you! You're a liar you liar! How dare you lie, prove it or gtfo. I refuse to accept other individuals claiming the same they're liars too! Pics or it didn't happen!"
That guy is comedy gold.
\/ Your need to make us somehow "understand" each other doesn't make my mocking of you any less spot on, nor does it allow you to save face.
Last edited by Xianio; 10-17-2013 at 09:50 AM.
Party member hires should in no way hold precidence over a leader trying to invite real players to join a party
I believe the inability of the leader to remove hires from their own party when a player fails to do so is a failing of the DDO quest mechanic.
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so, if you accept that "no hires" LFMs exist, then your only reason for assuming that the OP is lying is that they're rare?
so tell me, how is it better that your outspoken belief that the OP is lying is based only on a likelyhood rather than a perceived certainty?
Do i KNOW hes lying? No. But i assume he is because it makes sense and i probably would have too
But then again it is obvious that both sides of the argument appear not to respect each other, so "moar" fallacies please.
you know what you didn't do? you didn't pop up on the first page of the thread and call the OP a "total jerk" and accuse them of lots of "butt hurt" and needing to "grow some hair on your chest" in a post that has since disappeared but is quoted here (gee, i wonder why it vanished).
it's one thing to have an opinion, and express it. it's another to act out and lay into another individual on the basis of that opinion, especially when that opinion is formed with no apparent evidence.
It was a matter of deduction, I found it very nonplussing that they would claim that they put "No Hires" in the LFM but in their second example, they were obviously OK with Hire for the start of the quest, and only had an issue once someone else wanted to join, so that leads me to believe that there was not any real "No Hire" directly stated in the LFM.so, if you accept that "no hires" LFMs exist, then your only reason for assuming that the OP is lying is that they're rare?
Now, here is a good question, What is your motive to believe them beyond they said so, they could be lying or embellishing, and you have no way to know, so what is your motive to believe they are in fact telling the truth?
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