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    Default Why the leader of the party can't boot hirelings?

    I hate hirelings. I hate babysitting them and I hate if they are taking party slots when they can be replaced by the real player.

    If I join a party with hireling? Ok. Fine by me, it is not my party. But if I am the leader, it's a whole different story.

    Here is a situation. I post LFM: bring your own heals (not a hireling), in progress. In half of the quest, another player joins and pop a hireling. So I ask him to kick him out. Nothing happens. Course I can recall out, drop the party and squelch the player. But I won't because I am in the half of the quest already.

    Another situation. Five players including me in the party. We step in a quest and someone pop hireling without asking. Well ok. He/she obviously needs heals. So I let the LFM up with: healer would be nice, send tell please (using hire). Few mins later I'll get a tell from a cleric who would like to join. So I ask the summoner to dismiss his hireling. No reaction. Seems like he/she can't live without his hjealmeh any second (until the real healer get in the quest) so I have to send sorry tells to the cleric because I have ignorant in the party.

    And this is not the first time that something like this happened to me.

    So why the leader can't dismiss hirelings no matter who summoned them? Would be great improvement to have some button that do not allow summoning hireling in my party...............I see the rainbow............

    It won't happen. I know.

    And sorry for another whining thread

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    /signed

    I hate hirelings and despise people that join and pop without asking. Most of the time people will dismiss when asked to but on rare occasions I have had to deal with someone that pretended not to hear or see the request.

    A button to kick hires as leader would be nice.

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    In the first situation above I probably would have reported the player.

    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Most_Shady View Post
    A button to kick hires as leader would be nice.
    An even nicer option would be some checkboxes on the LFM panel:
    [] Disallow hirelings (prevents hirelings from being summoned)
    [] Disallow reentry (you release you can't come back)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix-daBard View Post

    [] Disallow reentry (you release you can't come back)
    This is a great idea as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix-daBard View Post
    In the first situation above I probably would have reported the player.



    An even nicer option would be some checkboxes on the LFM panel:
    [] Disallow hirelings (prevents hirelings from being summoned)
    [] Disallow reentry (you release you can't come back)
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    It sucks, I know, but if the guy won't drop the hire or leave the group than you either put up with it or reform around him. Than you squelch.

    I won't get behind the party leader the ability to kick hires because its not his plat or TP spent on them. Not to mention that there are people who would love to have the power of /boot and it could be at worst possible times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    It sucks, I know, but if the guy won't drop the hire or leave the group than you either put up with it or reform around him. Than you squelch.

    I won't get behind the party leader the ability to kick hires because its not his plat or TP spent on them. Not to mention that there are people who would love to have the power of /boot and it could be at worst possible times.
    I say to bad about someone losing plat because they didnt ask permission thats on them.

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    it is somewhat annoying to have someone pop a hire in a pug without asking... but not really worth getting super worked up over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ungood View Post
    Wow. One of these threads about someone being a total jerk to strangers who make the mistake to join his group.

    Lovely.

    Well, In your first little bout of butt hurt: If you ask someone to have their own means to heal, and they pop a hire, then that is what they need to heal. Not sure why you need to get your britches in a knot about it, it's not your hire so you don't need to babysit it, it's theirs. So as opposed to whining on the forums, how about you grow some hair on your chest, ask them to pull their weight, move on with on your life.

    In your second little bout of Butt Hurt: You did not need the cleric to start with, hence they BYOH, so why would it matter if a "healer" could not join later? Really, who uses "healers" these days anyway. If you are going to PUG a BYOH quest, that means you should be able to solo it and are only asking for company anyway, so what is your problem if someone pulls a hire.

    Really, you're just whining to whine about people and their hires, I wish this was your last post on the topic, but it won't be. There will always be someone that has got to get their britches in a knot about some petty BS in the game, and really, people who stir the **** pot really ought be forced to lick the spoon.
    Funny how you can judge and don't know me at all And it's not his, it's her group.

    And yes I can solo most of the quests on elite. But grouping is fun sometimes.

    But if there are five people and hireling in the party and one of my friends wants to join, I ask the summoner to kick the hireling. And it's not the rare case when he rufuse to or just ignore it.

    And about the part with healer wants to join? Read the post again. It's not me who needs him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ungood View Post
    If you ask someone to have their own means to heal, and they pop a hire, then that is what they need to heal. Not sure why you need to get your britches in a knot about it, it's not your hire so you don't need to babysit it, it's theirs.
    So like the person with the hireling you failed to read the LFM:

    Quote Originally Posted by somethingtosay View Post
    I post LFM: bring your own heals (not a hireling), in progress.

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    For some reason I read the thread title as "Why can't the leader of the party be hireling?"

    I was much more excited about that thread than this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix-daBard View Post
    So like the person with the hireling you failed to read the LFM:
    There is no reading fail on my part, to be blunt, I don't believe they said in the LFM panel "No Hires", I believe they put up BYOH and left it at that.

    Quote Originally Posted by somethingtosay View Post
    Funny how you can judge and don't know me at all
    False:

    I know you identify as a Female.
    I know you get your panties twisted into a wad when people summon hires.

    As for Hires, really? What is your problem?

    I have never had a problem with someone summoning hires, after, 4 years, and more PUGs then I care to think about, I have never had a problem with people and hires. In fact, now that I started a cleric life, I am glad to see people pull up a hire, it shows they came prepared, did not expect me to babysit them (which I have no plans to do) and that means it's one less thing for me to worry about, personally, it sounds like your just being petty about this for the sake of it.

    While it's true we all have that one person that comes in and does not say a word the whole quest, but that is the rare moments, not the rule, and if you are always or constantly getting people in your group that do not engage you in conversation when they arrive or listen to you at all, I hate to sound pandering , but maybe your LFM's are attracting the wrong crowed of people, you might want to change your approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ungood View Post
    Wow. One of these threads about someone being a total jerk to strangers who make the mistake to join his group.
    Funny how most people who have experienced this see it as people joining your party and ignoring the party leader's wishes when they have been clearly stated.

    So yeah, there's someone with an issue in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    Funny how most people who have experienced this see it as people joining your party and ignoring the party leader's wishes when they have been clearly stated.

    So yeah, there's someone with an issue in this thread.
    I bet there is, and I have had people join my group and then zerg to the end and kill the boss, they just blast to the end, without so much as basic common respect for the concept of conquest, ransack, and all optionals. You can bet those people annoy me, when they don't say a word, it downright ****es me off even more, but you know what, I have done all these quests many times before, so much so, that after having taken months long breaks and months longer to play at end game, I still remember the quests, and you know what, the few people doing something I don't like does not break me, I grew up and got over it, life goes on. I have hundreds of other quests to run each life, and you don't see me on the forums making some whine post about every little quirk that other people do that annoys me.

    I don't get the issue with hire hate, I mean I could understand not wanting to use them personally, (Like I don't like to use them) but vetting at someone who likes or needs to to use them reeks of prettiness for the sake of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix-daBard View Post
    An even nicer option would be some checkboxes on the LFM panel:
    [] Disallow hirelings (prevents hirelings from being summoned)
    [] Disallow reentry (you release you can't come back)
    yup, this. totally /signed. being able to boot other people's hires will be used for griefing, however these two options let everyone know where they stand before they join up.
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