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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaviusMaximus View Post
    For some reason I read the thread title as "Why can't the leader of the party be hireling?"

    I was much more excited about that thread than this one.
    It's possible. I even had a screenshot somewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by somethingtosay View Post
    In half of the quest, another player joins and pop a hireling.
    poor guy must have been running that barb for years, they get used to the hireling thing faster then anyone else :P
    on a serious note, if you play well, that hire will make it to the end unscaved.
    on non self healing toons i usualy cary a hire as a back up to potions/scrolls, just in case, good puggers are hard to find , let allone divines that are willing to babysit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix-daBard View Post
    In the first situation above I probably would have reported the player.



    An even nicer option would be some checkboxes on the LFM panel:
    [] Disallow hirelings (prevents hirelings from being summoned)
    [] Disallow reentry (you release you can't come back)
    i support this, i hate it when newbs reenter

    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    I did that to someone that kept spam inviting me to a party and wouldn't take no for an answer. So I eventually accepted after the tenth invite from the same person, walked into another quest, poped a hire to fill the party up then walked away to make dinner.
    Did that too once, 2,5 hours later he was still in the waterworks XD


    If leaders had the power to dismiss hires at a whim, what is stopping the butthurt leader to dismiss the only source of healing to the tank during a though bossfight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyrecono View Post

    If leaders had the power to dismiss hires at a whim, what is stopping the butthurt leader to dismiss the only source of healing to the tank during a though bossfight?
    You can't use hirelings in raids and that's the only time you have tanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    You can't use hirelings in raids and that's the only time you have tanks.
    sight, ignore tank and fill in beefcacke barb

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonqrandom View Post
    so what? you said they didn't happen.at all. no matter how rare they are (and your analogy is way out of scale), that's not the same thing. part of your argument is based on "they don't exist", but they do. several people have now reported this to be the case.

    so - is everyone lying to you, or have you learned something new today?
    I never said they didn't happen at all, and at no point was my argument based on "they don't exist"

    Where do you people get this stuff? Trying to have discussions on this forum is like trying to argue with someone on an acid trip where they just make up what other people say and respond to that no matter how ignorant or foolish they look or sound doing so. No wonder I can't have discussions or make points with people like you. Maybe today you will learn how to read what people actually write.

    I don't think you will, in fact, I don't think you ever will, and as much as I may one day like to be, I don't believe I will ever be proven wrong either by the likes of you.

    TL-DR: If you can't respond to what I have actually said, stop showing your stupidity by quoting me and responding to some made up straw-man of yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lyrecono View Post
    sight, ignore tank and fill in beefcacke barb
    The barb in that case should have been standing back and letting someone else get aggro that could self heal. Barbs getting aggro with no way to take care of themselves other than someone else is why they have a bad reputation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    Now I think your just being stuborn or something everyone knows BYOH means heal thy self and not by a healer, you invited for one slot NOT TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    And this is why I believe the OP just put up a BYOH-IP and is simply embellishing what they put in the LFM for the sake of their side of the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ungood View Post
    Did I ever say they didn't happen at all? Go back and look again, and maybe today you will learn you can't read.
    I actually agree with ungood on this one. The lfm conveniently posted with "no hires", just happened to be "halfway through" the quest? It sounds embellished to deflect the obvious questions, "did u SPECIFY no hires?", "did up put NO HIRES in the lfm?"

    I have seen a few "byoh (not a hire)" postings on orien over the years but they are very rare

    As for the original point of the thread, i think introducing a mechanic for leaders to boot hires is a big waste of time

    In the hundreds, maybe thousands of pugs ive been in, this has never once been an issue. Ive seen ppl pop hires in a short-man run without asking, but nobody cared

    But stuff like this happens in pugs. Thats the fun. Why do ppl get so mad and demand MORE CONTROL to ENSURE this NEVER happens again!! Lighten up. Im sure you completed anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by somethingtosay View Post
    Sorry couldn't help to write one more post because it's hilarious how are you contradicting yourself in every single post...
    Quote Originally Posted by ungood
    Did I ever say they didn't happen at all? Go back and look again, and maybe today you will learn you can't read.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ungood View Post
    If You're asking me if I believe they wrote "bring your own heals (not a hireling), in progress" in the LFM box? The answer to that would be no.
    Won't read any further, leaving for gym. Have fun.
    There is no contradiction between those two posts. But in a offer of goodwill, If you can prove there is, do so, otherwise you just look like your reading comprehension is lacking.
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    Ah but you see when you wrote that it was extremely unlikely to have happen so much so that it would be unacceptable to believe without proof, what you ACTUALLY meant was that it never ever happened. In fact, for even trying to pretend otherwise makes you a petty terrible person. In my 4 years of Internet in I've never seen some say what you said and not mean at all and ever.

    Now if you'll excuse us I now have to defend my scarecrow argument aggressively in the face of all oopposition

    (Lol "learn to read" as if that's not the basis of why we're making fun of you )

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    just a quick note...

    "i haven't seen it" =/= "it doesn't exist."


    let me extrapolate for you:
    "i haven't seen it... yet people from every server claim it happens. it must happen some time, but wow... must be rare."




    so given a very rare occurrence... and the assumption by a large number of the playerbase that "BYOH" does NOT include hires for healing... it is easy for someone to then extend that and assume that someone simply said "BYOH" and not "BYOH (no hires)"

    personally, i don't care if he did or not.. like i said before... if he did have a LFM saying that, and someone did it anyway, he had 2 choices. (also, if its that common that it brings you to ragepost about it... dang. i don't wanna say your server sucks, but...)... i just see how someone could easily hold the opinion that they OP might have been embellishing for the sake of the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    The barb in that case should have been standing back and letting someone else get aggro that could self heal. Barbs getting aggro with no way to take care of themselves other than someone else is why they have a bad reputation.
    True, somethimes that barb is the only 300+hp toon in a lv 18 quest and nominated as the punching bag,
    Sometimes that party isn't that good and needs to rely on that punching bag to keep m safe, esp since the otto's stone was introduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyrecono View Post
    True, somethimes that barb is the only 300+hp toon in a lv 18 quest and nominated as the punching bag,
    Sometimes that party isn't that good and needs to rely on that punching bag to keep m safe, esp since the otto's stone was introduced.
    Then they deserve to fail and go back in on hard or normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somethingtosay View Post

    Won't read any further, leaving for gym. Have fun.
    Online equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalalalalala

    Nobody believed you couldnt hear then, and nobody believes you wont be reading

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    Quote Originally Posted by kned225 View Post
    I actually agree with ungood on this one. The lfm conveniently posted with "no hires", just happened to be "halfway through" the quest? It sounds embellished to deflect the obvious questions, "did u SPECIFY no hires?", "did up put NO HIRES in the lfm?"

    I have seen a few "byoh (not a hire)" postings on orien over the years but they are very rare

    As for the original point of the thread, i think introducing a mechanic for leaders to boot hires is a big waste of time

    In the hundreds, maybe thousands of pugs ive been in, this has never once been an issue. Ive seen ppl pop hires in a short-man run without asking, but nobody cared

    But stuff like this happens in pugs. Thats the fun. Why do ppl get so mad and demand MORE CONTROL to ENSURE this NEVER happens again!! Lighten up. Im sure you completed anyway

    thank you.. yes. ^

    just one note...

    Quote Originally Posted by kned225 View Post
    As for the original point of the thread, i think introducing a mechanic for leaders to boot hires is a big waste of time
    on this one point, i disagree. i don't think it's as needed as some people think, but not a total waste of time either. sometimes there are inconsiderate people who will pop a healer hire without asking, and then when you want to add a real live cleric/fvS/bard/druid capable and willing to heal, they refuse to dismiss... or conveniently can't understand your language... or are suddenly AFK... or... or... or... etc

    having the ability to kick the hire, and/or a checkbox on the LFM for the leader to disallow hires (suggested by phoenix-dabard i think) are good ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    Then they deserve to fail and go back in on hard or normal.
    agreed. heck, even my stoned first life 28 point hagglebard with craptastical gear breaks 300HP at 18 (barely... BUT STILL!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by katz View Post
    having the ability to kick the hire, and/or a checkbox on the LFM for the leader to disallow hires (suggested by phoenix-dabard i think) are good ideas
    Im not really against the ideas. Im against the devs tinkering with the lfm system again. Stuff always seems to go wrong.

    And i think they have bigger fish to fry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xianio View Post
    Ah but you see when you wrote that it was extremely unlikely to have happen so much so that it would be unacceptable to believe without proof, what you ACTUALLY meant was that it never ever happened.
    Thank you for putting this up, in such honestly

    With that put out, allow me to convey some information to you in regards to what you just did. In the hope to inform, I want to explain to you that when you just take what people say and warp it into something other then what the person said, that is not conductive to mature or healthy discussion, in fact, this problem, or shall I say communication failure or breakdown as it were is so common, that it has it's very own name, it's called a "Straw-man", it's considered an informal logical fallacy and it results from when people pretty much just make up what their "opponent's" stand is and then argue against that. It is a common fallacy that people who can't have mature or polite discussion retort to, unfortunately and this when they do so, when "straw-men" enter the discussion, it quickly makes the discussion toxic.

    Now, On the other side of the spectrum of discussions, the healthy mature discussion, when someone says "Something is Unlikely the recipient of that takes that to mean that the person believes "That's unlikely" and continues to exchange points and counter-points functioning on that mindset.

    Well, as for the learn to read, well, there is no question that you can read the words themselves, you have just made it very clear that your openly willing to twist someones words to mean whatever you want them to mean. That means to me that I will be left to guess what you warped what I said into.

    Yah, no thanks, I'll try to stick to people that you know, can comprehend what the other person is saying, and when I say "I think that's unlikely" they have the mental ability to process that into "He thinks that's unlikely" and not have a few wires crossed someplace to think "he means that impossible!"

    Good day Sir.
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    1 - I agree with op, leaders should be able to boot hires.
    2 - Ungood is a troll.
    3 - I see "no hires" lfms all the time on Thelanis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katz View Post
    i just see how someone could easily hold the opinion that they OP might have been embellishing for the sake of the story.
    Oh obviously. It's not really the content of what he's said that's causing people to make fun of him - it's the delivery of the content that is resulting in him being mocked. After all, you two have "effectively" said very similar things yet nobodies mocking you. This of course is because you didn't enter this thread claiming the OP was a liar, insulting them and many others while comically misusing terms in an attempt to sound superior, only to later satire yourself almost perfectly.

    Ungood is just proving to be the "Bill O'reilly" of the DDO forums. If you don't know who that is just youtube it - TONS of people like to make fun of that guy. It's just a cheap laugh.

    Ungood not quite getting the point
    I'm mocking you Ungood. To put it more bluntly, I'm using the same argumentative techniques that you have employed in order to show how silly you've been in this thread to provide a good chuckle for those reading who happen to care for one.

    I'm effectively turning up the light on your trolling for the sake of laughing at the comedy of it. Now, in a few more posts I'll start playing the victim card to round out our little engagement and call it a day.

    This way we all get a laugh. You get to troll and feel superior for "reasons" and we get to laugh at the farce.

    \/ (to Ungood below) *sigh* If you're going to pretend to be "smart" and to tell people to "learn to read" you should at least be able to tell when someone isn't arguing "your" point. I never argued with you or anyone on the merits of the OP. I mocked and made fun of you without commenting on the OP. I have never "argued against my point" as my point is only that you are a dillhole. Something that I've been very consistent on.
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