Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 26
  1. #1
    Self-Appointed Coin Lord of the Seas ForgettableNPC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    VillageTown of GenericLand of ThatOneContinent.
    Posts
    544

    Default How good is Treasure Finding?

    The Greater Dragonmark of Finding gives Treasure Finding, which has a chance based on your Charisma, to boost the loot level in the chest by 1. I was interested in taking a Dragonmark next life as a Human because they made it so that you need to spend points in Enhancements rather than feats, making it easier to access.

    But how much Charisma do you need to use it effectively?

    I was thinking about using it with a Rogue Mechanic Enhancement line to make a "Treasure Hunter" type of a build. Wondering if around 12-14 Charisma might be enough to start out with.

  2. #2
    Community Member burningwind's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,052

    Default

    not sure how much good +1 loot would do, i never notice any difference

  3. #3
    Community Member Draxis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    293

    Default

    It adds +1 to random loot lvls. This does not affect named loot drops. It does affect tome drops. I found you really need 20+ cha to make it affective (not fail most times) Most people hate this mark and consider it useless. But it could make the difference between getting a +10 stat item and a +11.
    Last edited by Draxis; 10-15-2013 at 01:48 PM.

  4. #4
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    3,020

    Default

    it works like loot boost weekends or gems of fortune....so at endgame, lets you loot tomes on EH you normally only get on EE. In Heroic, it increases the chance of getting lootgen junk you cant use yet

  5. #5
    Self-Appointed Coin Lord of the Seas ForgettableNPC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    VillageTown of GenericLand of ThatOneContinent.
    Posts
    544

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by burningwind View Post
    not sure how much good +1 loot would do, i never notice any difference
    Well, +1 loot would mean loot with better enchantments, loot with better enchantments mean better deconstruction levels, better deconstruction levels mean more crafting xp!

  6. #6
    Community Member Draxis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Posts
    293

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ForgettableNPC View Post
    Well, +1 loot would mean loot with better enchantments, loot with better enchantments mean better deconstruction levels, better deconstruction levels mean more crafting xp!
    That was my original thought. But then cannith crafting became marginalized and useless. You can find all the crafting components you'll need on ah for dirt cheap.

  7. #7
    Community Member PermaBanned's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    4,932

    Default A bit OT but fwiw...

    Quote Originally Posted by ForgettableNPC View Post
    I was interested in taking a Dragonmark next life as a Human because they made it so that you need to spend points in Enhancements rather than feats, making it easier to access.
    The Mark of Passage has always given me the most bang for my buck. Expeditious Retreat so no need to slot for movement/carry clickies, tier 2 is Dimension Door and tier 3 is Teleport. I never make a human that doesn't have this mark.
    Now excuse me while I wander off to arm myself with Grilled Cheese Sandwiches and hunker down behind my Armored Beer Refrigerator, while I have the UFO's take control of the Congresional Wives with the help of the International Cocaine Smugglers and the Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow - btw, do you have change for 10 million population?

  8. #8
    Community Member Hendrik's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Bell's Brewery, MI.
    Posts
    10,991

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ForgettableNPC View Post
    The Greater Dragonmark of Finding gives Treasure Finding, which has a chance based on your Charisma, to boost the loot level in the chest by 1. I was interested in taking a Dragonmark next life as a Human because they made it so that you need to spend points in Enhancements rather than feats, making it easier to access.

    But how much Charisma do you need to use it effectively?

    I was thinking about using it with a Rogue Mechanic Enhancement line to make a "Treasure Hunter" type of a build. Wondering if around 12-14 Charisma might be enough to start out with.
    Hardest part for the use of this Dragonmark is finding 5/11 others that will wait the few seconds for you to use it.

    With Tomes dropping out of breakables not bad to get and use on them too.

    If it still works on breakables, been long time since I had it but had like an 18-20 and was happy with results.
    Last edited by Hendrik; 10-15-2013 at 10:33 PM.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
    Adventurer, Bug Reporter, Mournlander.

  9. #9
    Community Member Bimbelbo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    250

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by ForgettableNPC View Post
    The Greater Dragonmark of Finding gives Treasure Finding, which has a chance based on your Charisma, to boost the loot level in the chest by 1. I was interested in taking a Dragonmark next life as a Human because they made it so that you need to spend points in Enhancements rather than feats, making it easier to access.

    But how much Charisma do you need to use it effectively?

    I was thinking about using it with a Rogue Mechanic Enhancement line to make a "Treasure Hunter" type of a build. Wondering if around 12-14 Charisma might be enough to start out with.
    You can really tell by the answers in the thread who is actually reading a post and who's only reading the title.

    Most posts in this thread are useless spam. We know that the dragonmark can boost the loot +1, nobody is really interested if you find that good or bad.

    Please stop spamming the thread with that. The question of the OP was: How much CHA do you need to make it effective. A question I'm also very interested in. Back to topic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan
    People are absolutely working on it at the moment.

  10. #10
    Community Member voodoogroves's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    North Cackalacky
    Posts
    9,593

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by PermaBanned View Post
    The Mark of Passage has always given me the most bang for my buck. Expeditious Retreat so no need to slot for movement/carry clickies, tier 2 is Dimension Door and tier 3 is Teleport. I never make a human that doesn't have this mark.
    I am so crazy lazy in the same way. Human Cleric? Gots the mark.
    Ghallanda - now with fewer alts and more ghostbane

  11. #11
    The Hatchery CThruTheEgo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Some random rock hurdling through the universe to who knows where...
    Posts
    3,028

    Default

    I don't know how much charisma you need, but I've rarely seen this feat on builds without max charisma (i.e. healbot FvS and bards) and I've seen them fail from time to time.

    If crafting is your motivation for this, I'd say don't bother. Leveling in crafting is easy and you'd only be saving yourself a few hours of clicking at most. And as Draxis mentioned, crafting is a marginalized system now anyways.

    Most groups will not wait for you to buff chests in anything but the highest level content because all your doing is getting the same loot that you would in another level and, to most people, it's all just junk loot anyway.

    The greatest value of this dragonmark is at endgame to increase the chance of tomes dropping. That's the one place where you will find people more than willing to wait for you to buff the chests. At endgame, this mark let's you reach chest levels that are otherwise out of reach. Anything before endgame and your just going to find the same stuff you would find in one more level.

    @Bimbelbo: Sorry for this useless info but I felt it might help the OP decide whether or not it was worth building a character around this ability. I hope you can ignore my useless rambling and appreciate a free bump to this thread in the hope that someone with something meaningful to say will see it.
    White Feather Sniper: dps focused, 62DC paralyzing arrows human ranged ranger/The Divine Cuisinart: human tempest in divine crusader/Hassan's Assassin: 81DC halfling assassin/The Count of Monte Cristo: human swashbuckler/Dubbell O'Seven: WF artificer
    Abandoned builds: Totally Bass Ackwards/Santa's Little Slayer

  12. #12
    Self-Appointed Coin Lord of the Seas ForgettableNPC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    VillageTown of GenericLand of ThatOneContinent.
    Posts
    544

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CThruTheEgo View Post
    If crafting is your motivation for this, I'd say don't bother. Leveling in crafting is easy and you'd only be saving yourself a few hours of clicking at most.
    Nah, I just wanted to have fun with the Mark's ability.

  13. #13
    Community Member Hendrik's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Bell's Brewery, MI.
    Posts
    10,991

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bimbelbo View Post
    You can really tell by the answers in the thread who is actually reading a post and who's only reading the title.

    Most posts in this thread are useless spam. We know that the dragonmark can boost the loot +1, nobody is really interested if you find that good or bad.

    Please stop spamming the thread with that. The question of the OP was: How much CHA do you need to make it effective. A question I'm also very interested in. Back to topic.
    Thank you for adding to the useless spam.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
    Adventurer, Bug Reporter, Mournlander.

  14. #14
    Community Member AbyssalMage's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    1,641

    Default

    +20 Charisma?

    18 Base
    +5 Level ups
    +2 Tome
    +2 Ship
    +2 Yugo
    +3 Exceptional
    +6 Item
    ------
    38 Charisma

    So a total of 38 or higher Charisma to make it work 95/100% of the time? Wanting to make sure I am understanding this correctly.

  15. #15
    Community Member Charononus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    5,345

    Default

    My guess and it's a guess, is that the dc to succeed is something pretty close to dc=10+chest level so an ee stormhorns chest would need a 39 or higher to succeed with your result being 1d20+cha modifier

  16. #16
    Community Member Deathdefy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Waiting in the lava pits to chain trip you on the way to Prison of the Planes
    Posts
    1,566

    Default

    I took down Success and Fails in a character bio for different Charisma levels on a life a year or so ago.

    I'm sad to say I've lost the data, but you can have my memories for what they're worth.

    34 was the highest this charisma I could hit (with EA aura and cha robes, etc. It was a cleric with non-dumped cha, but only whatever stat points I put in initially; somewhere between 12 and 16) and I'd have called it as 80-85% success.

    26 felt like 50% and was decent.

    20 felt a bit worse than 26 (like 40% at a guess) and was okay.

    Chest level didn't matter. I played in Haverdasher's basement and had the same success and failures I did in EE Demonweb.

    EDIT: If you do end up rolling one I'd be interested in seeing the data too if you feel like recording it for your different CHA mods when you level up, get new gear, etc.
    Last edited by Deathdefy; 10-16-2013 at 12:21 AM.
    Khyber: Aggrim (Completionist!)
    In Von 3 the breakables in the Troll Ambassador optional room are slow to get to and unnecessary for ransack.
    Blind insta-kills floating eye balls.

  17. #17
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    1,763

    Default dc

    I cant tell you what exact dcs are for chests, but with 16 starting charisma and no lvl up stats, at lvl 20 + i very rarely fail, possibly only 5%. I buff to near 40 charisma before i use it.

    You can get +4 to charisma(hum charisma and action boost stat) just from human enhancements.

    Add some synergy by splashing a couple pal lvl for no fail saves and divine might or a cleric/fvs lvl or 2 for div might and vuln smite.

    40 charisma and divine might equals +15 strenght...

    Highest strenght build in the game right now is 18barb/1cleric/1druid horc div mighted and rams mighted. Chest charming barb is fun, although i usually go with strong self healers for soloing.

    30-40 charisma works very well charming stormhorns chest atm, highest lvl random quests in game.

  18. #18
    Community Member FlaviusMaximus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    1,673

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Bimbelbo View Post
    You can really tell by the answers in the thread who is actually reading a post and who's only reading the title.

    Most posts in this thread are useless spam. We know that the dragonmark can boost the loot +1, nobody is really interested if you find that good or bad.

    Please stop spamming the thread with that. The question of the OP was: How much CHA do you need to make it effective. A question I'm also very interested in. Back to topic.
    There were two questions that were asked. One was in the title of the post and one was in the text below. Choosing to answer one question and not the other is hardly a derailment.

    Back when I used to use chest blessing characters regularly (MOTU, mostly had it for ee spider chest farming), I felt pretty confident about a total charisma score of around 28. A rough estimate might be that it would succeed 75% of the time. On a character with a charisma in the mid-30s, it was much closer to a no fail.

    So with gear and tomes, I think a base charisma of 12 or 14 would be just fine. I wouldn't go lower than that, but some might disagree.

  19. #19
    Community Member MadGardener's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    57

    Default

    I have a pass through FvS life so I toke the feat to see what it was like. Do not take it. It often failed and required two blessings , that is if u had the time, most often the chest was looted before I finished the blessing anyhow. If u really want it for end game top loot chances, do a feat swap when u cap out for it. Unless they make it an automatic success and shorten the time I would avoid this feat.

  20. #20
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    1,763

    Default well

    Quote Originally Posted by MadGardener View Post
    I have a pass through FvS life so I toke the feat to see what it was like. Do not take it. It often failed and required two blessings , that is if u had the time, most often the chest was looted before I finished the blessing anyhow. If u really want it for end game top loot chances, do a feat swap when u cap out for it. Unless they make it an automatic success and shorten the time I would avoid this feat.
    If you pug a lot it can sometimes be frustrating, but in a decent group people will wait for +9 stat items, +11 dadly etc etc.

    For soloing, even if you need to use a healer hire with a barb charmer version this feat is pretty nice.

    Just need high charisma and any eh you solo is giving ee random loot, better if using loot gem or loot weekend.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

This form's session has expired. You need to reload the page.

Reload