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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    ummm are you saying you found greater conv bracers or really any conv bracers random gen, I know about levik's, sub 20 ml?
    ...Yes.

    Maybe not. You just said a blanket "hamp is weapon only" and I...
    Okay, let's be honest. I'm tired, cranky and there's no coffee. I might've failed reading comprehension, or I might've been acting like a dumbass. Take yer pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfurnace View Post
    ...Yes.

    Maybe not. You just said a blanket "hamp is weapon only" and I...
    Okay, let's be honest. I'm tired, cranky and there's no coffee. I might've failed reading comprehension, or I might've been acting like a dumbass. Take yer pick.
    I edited that post to be more specific, I was refering to gs. There is also the finger necklace, levik's and the fleshmakers brigadine and docent from the top of my head. Go get coffee, to paraphrase Ben Franklin Coffee is proof that God loves us.

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    The nicest thing about Dragon Touched is you can have 3 guard procs on it.

    The +1 to Stats is outdated.
    Change it to +2 or a combo of a plus 1 stat and plus 1 stat. For example: Plus 1 to Str and plus 1 to Con.
    The resists are outdated.
    Change it to 40

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    Quote Originally Posted by zDragonz View Post
    The nicest thing about Dragon Touched is you can have 3 guard procs on it.

    The +1 to Stats is outdated.
    Change it to +2 or a combo of a plus 1 stat and plus 1 stat. For example: Plus 1 to Str and plus 1 to Con.
    The resists are outdated.
    Change it to 40
    Exceptional +1 is all you can get in an exceptional even at level 28. Not saying that I would wear dt at 28 but that is not really a bad part and should not be changed period. As far as resists, you could maybe put in resist 30 not really sure what they are now but higher resists is pretty much an epic thing on gear I thought and once again should not be on a heroic item.

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    DT is still good armor at level, I don't mind the grind, but it should be BtA.
    At least, make those matts BtA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRobai View Post
    DT is still good armor at level, I don't mind the grind, but it should be BtA.
    At least, make those matts BtA.
    I like that idea, at least for the runes maybe not for the armor itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaeton_Seraph View Post
    Really, it was probably great twink gear for a TR at one time. However, now, it's not really any better than random gen ML:16 stuff; not enough. And it can't compete with the ML:14 Dragonscale armours from Tor.
    First, let me say I'm all for making the runes BTA. Second, totally agree most of the properties (like many of the game's named items) need to be specced up to be (at least) on par with (of not better than) what's randomly available at the same level. Third, I would love to see an epic adaptation to have such wonderfully customizable armor at the top levels.

    But not relevant? I guess WF caster must be a niche case. After the change to generic spell lore that's how I felt about my heroic Blue Scale docent so I went looking for alternatives. (If it matters, I'm talking about a TR life, with one more arcane life ahead) After checking out the plethora of runes I'ld built up over previous lives, and after a bit of crunching & recrunching I credited a docent with +6 Int skills,* +2 spell pen and 8% Dodge.* Haven't found anything better at 16, and i was a ways into epics before replacing it. Still have a bunch of blank armors (cloth/light/med/hvy) and a bunch of runes with more to come on successive lives.

    *Worth noting the text is bugged: it still says the old values of +3 skills & +4 dodge, but the properly updated values apply. Spell pen also has the old value listed as "Spell pen VIII" but applies to ninth as well.

    Have no issue with the acquisition process - other than the reflagging for SoS. IMHO the only "problem" is none of the flags are solo friendly Elite @ level and that's not a problem for me, I like to party anyway!

    So to bring it back around: between the hamp for melees and boosts for casters I'm really not seeing how they're not relevant at all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRobai View Post
    DT is still good armor at level, I don't mind the grind, but it should be BtA.
    At least, make those matts BtA.
    O Rly? You know what? I'll be a sport and agree it's not too bad at level. However, something you grind that much for should be good for 2 or 3 levels, not just one level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaeton_Seraph View Post
    O Rly? You know what? I'll be a sport and agree it's not too bad at level. However, something you grind that much for should be good for 2 or 3 levels, not just one level.
    Dude I don't think that anyone is arguing it's the ultimate armor for all builds anymore. What were saying is that for some builds and some classes it's still extremely useful. If I'm running a melee I tend to cap that life in it just because of the hamp bonuses and never having looted a leviks. It's still good armor the only truely horrible runes are the sovereign.

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    Just realized part of what I said might not be clear as I was using bad terminology, by capping that life I meant getting to 20, I still tend to refer to that as capping a life as that's when you can tr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    Dude I don't think that anyone is arguing it's the ultimate armor for all builds anymore. What were saying is that for some builds and some classes it's still extremely useful. If I'm running a melee I tend to cap that life in it just because of the hamp bonuses and never having looted a leviks. It's still good armor the only truely horrible runes are the sovereign.
    Charon, I know you're just posting for the sake of posting. That's fine. But seriously, by "some" you must mean 5% of players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaeton_Seraph View Post
    Charon, I know you're just posting for the sake of posting. That's fine. But seriously, by "some" you must mean 5% of players?
    Nope I'm dead serious I finding getting to 200% amp full time at level 16 to be extremely useful, I like the idea of bta runes, I like the idea of a little more prr etc on them, but there are things that can still be very useful on dt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaeton_Seraph View Post
    O Rly? You know what? I'll be a sport and agree it's not too bad at level. However, something you grind that much for should be good for 2 or 3 levels, not just one level.
    Lol Then why are you grinding for it, and why lobby on it's behalf? Are you asking them to give you something to grind for?

    Unless they give it the full Epic treatment, it'll never be worth grinding for to most people. It'll always only be useful for a few levels; longer for some builds, less so for others. Please direct me to a better caster armor (outfit - whatever) from 16-20 (or even up to 24). Warning: if you say Blue Scale I'll laugh - the heroic got neutered.

    As for grinding for it: don't. Just let the runes accumulate over a few lives if you don't get lucky right away. If you're not TRing, there's really no point in building a set.
    Now excuse me while I wander off to arm myself with Grilled Cheese Sandwiches and hunker down behind my Armored Beer Refrigerator, while I have the UFO's take control of the Congresional Wives with the help of the International Cocaine Smugglers and the Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow - btw, do you have change for 10 million population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PermaBanned View Post
    Please direct me to a better caster armor (outfit - whatever) from 16-20 (or even up to 24). Warning: if you say Blue Scale I'll laugh - the heroic got neutered.
    *Shrug*




    (Wiki didn't have a pic for the Level 16 version and I'm too lazy to screen shot one right now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel_666 View Post
    *Shrug*




    (Wiki didn't have a pic for the Level 16 version and I'm too lazy to screen shot one right now).
    Robe of shadow is pretty much ****, you can get a better necro focus at level 9, gfl is on everything, about the only good thing is the necro spwr which could let you use a fanion perhaps and a cold or electric stick. It's useful but not exceptional, dt is the same way useful but not exceptional.

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    Default I like dragontouched armor

    I like the armor the way it is. It is a really long grind but it can be soloed if you go in overpowered.
    Sure it is really only useful as twink gear but so is %50 of everything in the game.

    I don't want augment slots in the armor,nothing is more disappointing than getting loot i have to go grind augments for.Especially when there isn't an exact place to grind augments. Every time I get some gear with an augment slot I check what I have,what the ship chest has and the AH. If there isnt augments there i just trash the item.If Dragontouch armor is changed to a augment system i would never run for dragontouch gear again.


    The choices of the runes is very nice and you can get different runes by crunching them.At some point i get what i want from the runes.Its better than the grind for Green steel.I can grind for Dragontouch all day,Green steel only every three days.

    I dont think anything needs to be changed,its just like anything else in the game.If it has a long grind most people dont do it. Ioun stones are another thing that gives good buffs,but lots of people don't grind that either.

    If you want easy,just pull out your credit card and pay for it.But don't bother the people that enjoy the actual game by making it easier to use your credit card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel_666 View Post
    *Shrug* <Robe of Shadow & Frozen Tunic>
    Robe of Shadow? Not hardly. Probably easier to get than DT, but the properties are available in equal or better values and better (slot) locations.

    The Frozen Tunic has potential, but mandates being fleshy (not saying fleshy is bad, just that's not a WF option) and is it's own grind to get. I'm not fond of the challenges, so can't compare that grind to the DT grind. If those are my best caster options vs DT, I'll stick with DT for best available (below epic dragon scale).

    The best thing DT has going for it is flexibility. You can look at your gear and fill some holes, or relocate properties to free up other slots. If you feel it's too grindy to do this, then just don't. It's TR twink armor, and some of the best to be had when planning ahead for that purpose.

    Edit: Mabar robe is probably the a contender for best, assuming that 1) you're a Pale Master, and 2) you don't mind it's seasonal & grindy nature...

    Hmm... Seems like all the good stuff has a grind attached... Still not seeing where DT is "irrelevant" either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PermaBanned View Post
    Lol Then why are you grinding for it, and why lobby on it's behalf? Are you asking them to give you something to grind for?

    Unless they give it the full Epic treatment, it'll never be worth grinding for to most people. It'll always only be useful for a few levels; longer for some builds, less so for others. Please direct me to a better caster armor (outfit - whatever) from 16-20 (or even up to 24). Warning: if you say Blue Scale I'll laugh - the heroic got neutered.

    As for grinding for it: don't. Just let the runes accumulate over a few lives if you don't get lucky right away. If you're not TRing, there's really no point in building a set.
    I'm not grinding for it. That's the point. All my friends refuse to run the chain for any reason.

    I did grind for it way back when. I have the full Tharne's set now, and I'm sad because it's just not worth changing out my blue dragonscale for the dragontouched on my artie, no matter what runes I pull out of my sack.

    Go ahead an laugh. The blue dragon scale is way better for my artie than any dragontouched combo I can come up with. Neutered or not (and Dragonscale armours have been updated while Dragontouched has not).
    The basic armour stats are superior and the blue has Spell Pen II, Lore VI, potency +52.

    What can the dragon touched give me that rivals those effects and makes up for the basic inferior stats of the armour itself?

    I can get superior item caster effects that match most runes from random gen items and I'm a ranged caster, so I don't find a defensive proc desirable. The drgontouched is obsolete except for a very few specific purposes.

    Or for my Assassin, what can I grind that's better than a reflex save upgraded Parasitic Breastplate w/trinket?


    Both of these armours are ML:14 and more people wear them until lvl 20 than bother with Dragontouched.




    You may be right that dragontouched is not garbage, but I never said it was. It's just too lacklustre for anyone to bother with. Really, how many people do you know at epic levels who wore a dragontouched armour this life?

    Don't be so stubborn, it should be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaeton_Seraph View Post
    I'm not grinding for it. That's the point. All my friends refuse to run the chain for any reason.

    I did grind for it way back when. I have the full Tharne's set now, and I'm sad because it's just not worth changing out my blue dragonscale for the dragontouched on my artie, no matter what runes I pull out of my sack.

    Go ahead an laugh. The blue dragon scale is way better for my artie than any dragontouched combo I can come up with. Neutered or not (and Dragonscale armours have been updated while Dragontouched has not).
    The basic armour stats are superior and the blue has Spell Pen II, Lore VI, potency +52.

    What can the dragon touched give me that rivals those effects and makes up for the basic inferior stats of the armour itself?

    I can get superior item caster effects that match most runes from random gen items and I'm a ranged caster, so I don't find a defensive proc desirable. The drgontouched is obsolete except for a very few specific purposes.

    Or for my Assassin, what can I grind that's better than a reflex save upgraded Parasitic Breastplate w/trinket?


    Both of these armours are ML:14 and more people wear them until lvl 20 than bother with Dragontouched.




    You may be right that dragontouched is not garbage, but I never said it was. It's just too lacklustre for anyone to bother with. Really, how many people do you know at epic levels who wore a dragontouched armour this life?

    Don't be so stubborn, it should be better.
    I run those quests every life at least monastery and kobold the xp can't be beat and the only hard part is the puzzle for one and kiting trash in the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    I run those quests every life at least monastery and kobold the xp can't be beat and the only hard part is the puzzle for one and kiting trash in the other.
    Shadow crypt.

    Aside from that, yeah. ETK E/H/N, monastery... E/H*(lots)/N

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaeton_Seraph View Post
    I could make an Aspect of Positive Energy item with Healing Lore, Greater Healing Lore, and Major Healing Lore that would give me a Rez clickie. Then I could wear it with my blue dragonscale/plate/hide/robes and have better Dex, AC and spell boosts. All of which I can start wearing at lower levels...

    Healing amps are available on other items, and in some racial enhancement trees.

    Just saying... it's not that impressive. It may be good for the healing amp, but not as armour.

    I won't even be putting the Docent on my dog this life.
    You're right, you could make a heal amp stick. And then can go and hit things with it on your tempest. Then you can say, " wow, the damage from this weapon really sucks, why did i make it?"

    You do know that heal amp currently stacks in a multiplicative way? Also that lores don't stack?

    My tempest has black scale armor, and he has heal amp dragontouched. I don't wear the scale armor much.

    The blue scale armor, and the white are junk. The blue being recently made so. I've had 20 of each of these scales for over a year, and i have yet to build a toon i want to inflict them on. Actually i may stick the blue on my bear tank druid, just because he can't use anything else.

    The black armor is ok. Not that exciting.

    You can also make a decent dragontouched threat amp suit if you are into that.

    Yes, they should revisit it. It's a great pack, i really do like the quests in there. Adding +2 insightful to the sovereign tier would be nice. Remove the duplicates, and the ones that have a lesser and better version of the same effect at the same tier, i.e. striding, false life.

    If there is good random armor that is dropping now, i haven't seen it yet.

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