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    Default Make True Reincarnation Free

    If someone is going to put the time into your game to level cap, a reincarnation if a worthy reward. The new system for TRing is not going to attract any new players yet will probably drive many existing players away.

    What is a better way to keep people playing then making the reincarnation process easier? The more difficult it is for someone to TR the more likely you are going to lose the player.
    When a character reaches cap they have the option of grinding until their eyes bleed for a heart, playing the very limited endgame, or quiting the game and going elsewhere.

    Giving a character a heart of wood as a reward for reaching level 20 is a great incentive to get that player to TR and keep them playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyriasys View Post
    If someone is going to put the time into your game to level cap, a reincarnation if a worthy reward. The new system for TRing is not going to attract any new players yet will probably drive many existing players away.

    What is a better way to keep people playing then making the reincarnation process easier? The more difficult it is for someone to TR the more likely you are going to lose the player.
    When a character reaches cap they have the option of grinding until their eyes bleed for a heart, playing the very limited endgame, or quiting the game and going elsewhere.

    Giving a character a heart of wood as a reward for reaching level 20 is a great incentive to get that player to TR and keep them playing.
    Oi, Id like to start by offering my apologies, as I hate to be "one of those people"- But I have to ask, do you know how ridiculously easy it currently is to TR? Even if all you have is access to the free to play content, its down right quick. I cant imagine using the word "difficult" in any way shape or form to describe the process it takes to earn a true heart of wood.

    Maybe if you can provide some more detail on why you think its difficult? But until then, not signed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewaysgts86 View Post
    Oi, Id like to start by offering my apologies, as I hate to be "one of those people"- But I have to ask, do you know how ridiculously easy it currently is to TR? Even if all you have is access to the free to play content, its down right quick. I cant imagine using the word "difficult" in any way shape or form to describe the process it takes to earn a true heart of wood.

    Maybe if you can provide some more detail on why you think its difficult? But until then, not signed
    You haven't been reading the forums have you? They are removing hearts from the twelve vendor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewaysgts86 View Post
    But I have to ask, do you know how ridiculously easy it currently is to TR?
    NOT EASY:
    - for a new player
    - for a player who can not build an epic ready toon
    - for a player who gets bored with running the same quest over and over again
    - for a flavour build toon
    - for a player who is in a timezone with low player presence and can not solo EN - EE (because he is just not that cool)


    I for example could not TR an arcana caster because I don't like to play them = no experience = gimped builds, I need group but I am not in US timezone.

    So TR'ing is not easy for everybody. But I am glad that You could run a whole saga within a few minutes, so You can farm 900 commendations easily when a saga gives You ~20.


    I still would not make the TR free at all. The current system is good enough.

    ps.: the new system is p2p as far as I know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satyriasys View Post
    Giving a character a heart of wood as a reward for reaching level 20 is a great incentive to get that player to TR and keep them playing.
    totally agree..

    may be not free to gain an EPIC heart of wood so players are ''appealed'' to grow in epic levels.

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    Reaching L20 is a bit too low of a bar...maybe replace the (fairly pointless, by now) +2 Tomes in the 1750 Favor reward package with a Heroic Heart (or just add the Heart to the Tomes).

    Just giving everyone a Heroic Heart once they can use it would completely negate having them in the Store, and while I'm not supporting P2W, I do support P4C (pay for convenience) as a model for supporting the game for everyone.

    You should actually have to DO something to earn a Heart, other than just say "I can use it now, so give me one for free". Leveling to 20, especially first- and second-life, is not a great accomplishment on its own. Like you said, its not completely trivial for new players especially to earn their first Heart, so having some effort required forces them to actually play the game and learn.

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    Devs should stop caring about people who can't or don't want to learn how to play and/or build better characters, and can't choose server with more people in their time zone.

    Also, suggestion that will directly make them lose profits? Very funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by droid327 View Post
    Reaching L20 is a bit too low of a bar...maybe replace the (fairly pointless, by now) +2 Tomes in the 1750 Favor reward package with a Heroic Heart (or just add the Heart to the Tomes).

    Just giving everyone a Heroic Heart once they can use it would completely negate having them in the Store, and while I'm not supporting P2W, I do support P4C (pay for convenience) as a model for supporting the game for everyone.

    You should actually have to DO something to earn a Heart, other than just say "I can use it now, so give me one for free". Leveling to 20, especially first- and second-life, is not a great accomplishment on its own. Like you said, its not completely trivial for new players especially to earn their first Heart, so having some effort required forces them to actually play the game and learn.
    This is a great idea



    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Devs should stop caring about people who can't or don't want to learn how to play and/or build better characters, and can't choose server with more people in their time zone.

    Also, suggestion that will directly make them lose profits? Very funny.
    Not sure what you are talking about or who you are addressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Devs should stop caring about people who can't or don't want to learn how to play and/or build better characters, and can't choose server with more people in their time zone.

    Also, suggestion that will directly make them lose profits? Very funny.
    A) Who are you directing this post at?
    B) Can you tell me how to figure out how many people on a server are in my time zone? Because thatd be nifty Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Devs should stop caring about people who can't or don't want to learn how to play and/or build better characters, and can't choose server with more people in their time zone.

    Also, suggestion that will directly make them lose profits? Very funny.

    If You'd read my answer all the way You could see I said: I do not support FREE heart of wood.

    I just simply don't like people saying the game is dead easy.

    I also stated I can reincarnate with the current or the incoming system.

    Competitive (good build) not equal with good or right.

    But I am one of those kind of people who doesn't forget/feel ashamed where he came from.
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