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    Default U19 Max HP Build?? How I Make Babby?

    So I'm sittin here drinking beer and thinking about what I wanna do for a new build and it hits me, max HP. Something that can give me the most possible sustainable HP in the game as a foundation to hang some sort of DPS on. 20 Dwarf Barbarian? Maybe something like a WarPriest/Frenzied Berserker? I will TR a multi-life toon who has PL Fighter, Rogue, Sorc, and Wiz and a +5 Tome on all stats into the build that has the most theoretical HP and try to play through, hopefully getting another life out of the way.

    As a diversion while I mull out some insanity myself, enjoy the Lowest Possible Hit Points in D&D 3.5 for a laugh.

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    Here's my stab:

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    War Pig
    Level 28 Neutral Good Dwarf Male
    (15 Barbarian \ 5 Cleric \ 8 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 1029
    Spell Points: 320 
    BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
    Fortitude: 29
    Reflex: 7
    Will: 14
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
    Strength             14                    19
    Dexterity             8                    13
    Constitution         20                    36
    Intelligence          8                    13
    Wisdom               16                    21
    Charisma             10                    15
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    +4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
    +5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19
    
    Level 1 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Automatic) Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Rage
    Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
    Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
    Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
    Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
    Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Rage
    Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
    Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
    Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
    Feat: (Automatic) Trip
    
    
    Level 2 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Automatic) Damage Reduction
    
    
    Level 3 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
    
    
    Level 4 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
    Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge (Dodge Bonus)
    
    
    Level 5 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability
    
    
    Level 6 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
    Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
    
    
    Level 7 (Cleric)
    
    
    Level 8 (Cleric)
    Ability Raise: CON
    
    
    Level 9 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 10 (Cleric)
    
    
    Level 11 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 12 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 13 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
    
    
    Level 14 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 15 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 16 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Automatic) Greater Rage
    
    
    Level 17 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 18 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 19 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Automatic) Indomitable Will
    
    
    Level 20 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: CON
    
    
    Level 21 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness
    Feat: (Automatic) Epic: Epic Skills
    
    
    Level 22 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 23 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 24 (Epic)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 25 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 26 (Epic)
    Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Positive
    
    
    Level 27 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Automatic) Epic: Epic Will
    
    
    Level 28 (Epic)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Hard (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Frenzy (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Rage (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Harder (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Harder (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Harder (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Athletics (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Sprint Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Sprint Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Sprint Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Supreme Cleave (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Supreme Cleave (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Supreme Cleave (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Bliss (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Intense Healing (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Endless Turning (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Incredible Healing (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Divine Health (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Aura (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Toughness (Rank 3)
    Apparently there is no limit on Toughness feats you can take in DDO, which is pretty lame when it comes to trying to min/max hit points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firepants View Post
    So I'm sittin here drinking beer and thinking about what I wanna do for a new build and it hits me, max HP. Something that can give me the most possible sustainable HP in the game as a foundation to hang some sort of DPS on. 20 Dwarf Barbarian? Maybe something like a WarPriest/Frenzied Berserker? I will TR a multi-life toon who has PL Fighter, Rogue, Sorc, and Wiz and a +5 Tome on all stats into the build that has the most theoretical HP and try to play through, hopefully getting another life out of the way.

    As a diversion while I mull out some insanity myself, enjoy the Lowest Possible Hit Points in D&D 3.5 for a laugh.
    My guildie has a first life 18ftr/2monk dwarf with like 2007 hp unbuffed or with shippies idk...

    He's only lvl 25 and first life... and hasn't toughness spammed all his feats , so I'm sure you can get higher
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    CON-based S&B Dwarven Defender seems the obvious choice; with +6 CON and +20% HPs from Gtr Defensive Stance. Monk splash gets you Evasion and two extra Toughness feats, if you really wanna push it. Can epic Toughness be taken more than once?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    CON-based S&B Dwarven Defender seems the obvious choice; with +6 CON and +20% HPs from Gtr Defensive Stance. Monk splash gets you Evasion and two extra Toughness feats, if you really wanna push it. Can epic Toughness be taken more than once?
    No, Epic Toughness is a one-off. I was honestly hoping Toughness was only a 3x possibility (I thought it was like that in actual D&D but was wrong), as that would have forced some building instead of just slapping Toughness all over the place. Though now I'm weighing a straight up Dwarven Stalwart build with US as his primary ED vs 15FTR/5CLR Dwarven Stalwart/Radiant Servant. I'd lose some HP, Tier 5 Stalwart (not a huge deal), but get to be a hate tanking glowbug. Which has it's appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firepants View Post
    No, Epic Toughness is a one-off. I was honestly hoping Toughness was only a 3x possibility (I thought it was like that in actual D&D but was wrong), as that would have forced some building instead of just slapping Toughness all over the place. Though now I'm weighing a straight up Dwarven Stalwart build with US as his primary ED vs 15FTR/5CLR Dwarven Stalwart/Radiant Servant. I'd lose some HP, Tier 5 Stalwart (not a huge deal), but get to be a hate tanking glowbug. Which has it's appeal.
    18 Fighter/2 Monk Dwarf max con S&B build.

    Opportunity for 9 toughness feats, bet anything you could hit 60 con, 20% hp, then actually build for doublestrike and I wouldn't doubt you could actually do some meaningful dps with something like Mountain's Fist.

    Best part about the build? 17 Strength is all you would need for anything (besides Overwhelming Crit) which means 13 starting strength and a +4 tome would get you your feats. Also, you've got a total of 21 feats by the time you hit 25 (24 by 28, counting the ED feats) so it's not like you can't build something that won't suck so bad you'll rip your eyes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firepants View Post
    I was honestly hoping Toughness was only a 3x possibility (I thought it was like that in actual D&D but was wrong), as that would have forced some building instead of just slapping Toughness all over the place.
    Hey, this is your nutty idea, dude, gotta learn to embrace the madness.
    Though now I'm weighing a straight up Dwarven Stalwart build with US as his primary ED vs 15FTR/5CLR Dwarven Stalwart/Radiant Servant. I'd lose some HP, Tier 5 Stalwart (not a huge deal), but get to be a hate tanking glowbug. Which has it's appeal.
    Apart from aesthetics, I'm not seeing the point of a weaksauce aura and no bursts; esp. if it means giving up, say, Block & Cut on a S&B ftr.

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    First stab at this monstrosity:
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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02
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    Level 28 Lawful Good Dwarf Female
    (14 Fighter \ 4 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 8 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 991
    Spell Points: 161 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 30
    Reflex: 11
    Will: 11
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
    Strength             15                    17
    Dexterity             8                    10
    Constitution         20                    33
    Intelligence         10                    12
    Wisdom                8                    10
    Charisma             12                    14
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    
    Level 1 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: CON
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 7 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: CON
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Monk)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 19 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 20 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Runes (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Runes (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Runes (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Throw Your Weight Around (Axes) (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Overbalance (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stand Fast (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Instinctive Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Swift Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Block and Cut (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Block and Cut (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Block and Cut (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Divine Righteousness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Item Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Sacred Armor Mastery (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer I (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Axes (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Axes (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
    
    
    Level 21 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness
    
    
    Level 22 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 23 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 24 (Epic)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 25 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 26 (Epic)
    Feat: (Epic Destiny) Toughness
    
    
    Level 27 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 28 (Epic)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Epic Destiny) Toughness
    Pal 4 is for Divine Grace, Righteousness, & Might. Almost 1,000 HPs w/out gear and only a +2 CON tome; +20% while in stance (and S&B).

    Disclaimer: just because I built it doesn't mean I endorse it. Viewer discretion is advised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    First stab at this monstrosity:

    Disclaimer: just because I built it doesn't mean I endorse it. Viewer discretion is advised.
    I don't think you can take Toughness in lieu of the ED feats.

    Here's my take. I dropped out Monk as I really don't want to be restricted to Light Armor (I really like the idea of Dwarf Fortress), took just 2 PAL levels for the CHA bonus to saves, maxxed Intim, and yeah, I didn't go too crazy with the Toughness feats:
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    Halfgar 
    Level 28 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
    (18 Fighter \ 2 Paladin \ 8 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 933
    Spell Points: 40 
    BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
    Fortitude: 35
    Reflex: 13
    Will: 13
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
    Strength             14                    19
    Dexterity            10                    15
    Constitution         20                    36
    Intelligence          8                    13
    Wisdom               10                    15
    Charisma             14                    19
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    +4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
    +5 Tome of Strength used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Constitution used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 19
    +5 Tome of Charisma used at level 19
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
    Balance               0                    19
    Bluff                 2                    12
    Concentration         5                    21
    Diplomacy             2                    12
    Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
    Haggle                2                    15
    Heal                  0                    10
    Hide                  0                    10
    Intimidate            6                    38
    Jump                  2                    16
    Listen                0                    10
    Move Silently         0                    10
    Open Lock             n/a                  n/a
    Perform               n/a                  n/a
    Repair               -1                     9
    Search               -1                    11
    Spellcraft           -1                     9
    Spot                  0                    11
    Swim                  n/a                  n/a
    Tumble                n/a                  11
    Use Magic Device      2                    12
    
    Level 1 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
    Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
    Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
    Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
    Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
    Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
    Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
    Feat: (Automatic) Trip
    
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
    Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 6 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Automatic) Improved Heroic Durability
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarven Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Child of the Mountain (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Stand Like Stone (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Stand Like Stone (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Stand Like Stone (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarf Fortress (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarf Fortress (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Dwarf Fortress (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Axe Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Dwarf - Throw Your Weight Around (Axes) (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Overbalance (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stand Fast (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Defensive Sweep (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Threatening Countenance (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Inciting Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Shield Mastery (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Shield Mastery (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Shield Mastery (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Tenacious Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Shield Expertise (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Shield Expertise (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Shield Expertise (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Swift Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Hardy Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Reinforced Shield (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Reinforced Shield (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Reinforced Shield (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Constitution (Rank 1)
    
    
    Level 21 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Toughness
    
    
    Level 22 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 23 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 24 (Epic)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Selected) Epic: Bulwark of Defense
    
    
    Level 25 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 26 (Epic)
    Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 27 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 28 (Epic)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape
    I mean, really, he just seems like a really capable tank, which I guess is what you get with an HP build. Not having Evasion is a pain, but between huge HP (once ED and everything is factored in it should be pretty ridiculous), and decent saves he shouldn't have much of a problem withstanding some beatings.

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    Wear heavy armour with monk levels. Do it. Do it now. They're just for toughness bonus feats anyway I'd assume. Yes toughness IS a possible feat for the ED bonus feats.
    Quote Originally Posted by katz View Post
    wow. i actually made it to someone's sig! O.o


    yay!

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    Nothing says you can't wear hvy armor w/monk splash; you just lose Evasion. It's still a net gain of 1 feat, +3 Will & Reflex saves, +5% heal amp from Shintao, and up to +3% Dodge from Ninja (Acrobatic). The only drawback to 16/2/2 split is losing lvl 18 core enh, but Defensive Sweep is pretty weak, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmanis View Post
    18 Fighter/2 Monk Dwarf max con S&B build.

    Opportunity for 9 toughness feats, bet anything you could hit 60 con, 20% hp, then actually build for doublestrike and I wouldn't doubt you could actually do some meaningful dps with something like Mountain's Fist.

    Best part about the build? 17 Strength is all you would need for anything (besides Overwhelming Crit) which means 13 starting strength and a +4 tome would get you your feats. Also, you've got a total of 21 feats by the time you hit 25 (24 by 28, counting the ED feats) so it's not like you can't build something that won't suck so bad you'll rip your eyes out.
    I think 18 Fighter/2 Monk Dwarf would be the highest sustainable HP build

    Overall you could have 13 Toughness Feats and 1 Epic Toughness. The 13 normal toughness would be Heroic 7 Feats (1/3/6/9/12/15/18), Epic(24,27), Destiny Feats (26,28), Monk Bonus (1,2). Epic Toughness would be at level 21.

    Dwarves can boost CON and get Toughness enhancements and points spent in defender add to HP. Stance S&B would give 20% boost to HP and Child of the Mountains would add another 4% HP.

    At least with fighter you can Get IC-Slash, PA/C/GC, THF/ITHF/GTHF, Shield Mastery/Improved Shield Mastery, Shield Deflection and by taking Put Your Belly into It you can add your CON mod to Dwarven Axe.

    As a small concession to any cleric who trys to heal you you can get 5% HA for 1 point in Shintao Monak
    Last edited by bucyrus; 10-17-2013 at 10:23 PM.

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