There is a bug on live right now...
For the Saga: Completing A Cabal for One count as Crucible and completing The Crucible count as A Cabal for One.
Follow me if I advance. Kill me if I retreat. Avenge me if I die.
Even if you were using the "skip" option to bypass Crucible, you see the detail of the quest (although it says Cabal as the title) so it's not a big problem to work around. Can't see it as being more than a 10 second fix to correct the titles ... surprised it wasn't thrown into the last patch.
- Quijonn on Ghallanda, Triple Completionist ---> 3350 HP Unbuffed ---> 3405 HP Unbuffed ---> 7447HP Buffed (17,693HP total) ---> 130 CON
- Monster Manual, Known Issues ---> <string table error; tableDID [0x00000000] token [0x00000000]> ---> All Epic Quests EH and EE, XP/Min, Comms/Min
- The Stormreach Campaign ---> The Stormreach Campaign Blog ---> Enhancements in PDF format ---> Saga's simplified
- Quality of Life Fixes
I hated being forced to run crucible to flag. Its fine with a good group but i primarily pug, and filling pugs on that quest was horrible. When it was removed from flagging gianthold was fun again for me.
Making it optional was awesome. Everyone is happy. Run it if you want, dont if you dont want to. Win win win.
Should everything be so easy, that you walk into quest knowing for sure you are going to steamroll through it?
I like the Crucible because you don't know if you are going to succede (speaking for myself of course, obvoiusly
a great many on these forums have no fear of the Crucible). With great risk, comes great reward, so the saying
goes, and the Saga's do provide great rewards. Something called a "saga" shouldn't be easy. You should
have to earn it. It is optional, after all and not required for anything other than the reward list and
you own sense of satisfaction at conquering one of the hardest (for me anyway) quests in the game.
My advice is to get some guildies or friends to run it with you. Be prepared to be in there for a while
and take your time. It might take a couple of tries to succede but you will learn one of the most
feared quests in the game.
Mangas Geronimo (Paladin) Grocery Baggs (Ranger) Naiche Geronimo (Cleric)
Guild - Orien's Rejects
The flagging chain was Crucible'd once already, and because people don't actually want, you know, a challenge (a wizzy without insighful reflexes can do the swim with pots. On Elite. At level.). As it was mentioned previously, players have the option to skip possibly one of the best quests in the GH pack. Dang shame too.
Finally gives me an excuse to look for other people to do it, and try to withhold laughter when it comes to the swim. Seriously.
P.S.: If for some reason it does in fact get removed (hell, Belly is still a part of a few Sagas out in ES), what would it be called? A doulbucible? Crucible-squared? I got nothin'.
Last edited by Eistander; 10-04-2013 at 11:37 AM. Reason: passing thought.
Science may be theory, but stupidity is proven.
Please don't Crucible the already Crucible'd Crucible.
<seemingly offensive Army of Darkness quote>
And then, just to test it, go into some other low-level dungeon and target a valve/lever. Then go kill things/break things until something drops. Use your mouse cursor to pick up the dropped item. If the valve/lever is still in your focus orb, then you're good to go.
many people get thier feeling of accomplishment from activitys in the real world...alot of people play this game to relax abit
making tedious quests optional was a win for everyone ...the amount of lfms you see for crucible is a pretty clear indication of how most players feel about it
should not be removed from saga flagging though
Correct. Not everyone wants a challenge. There is nothing wrong with that. Everyone has different preferences. The superior tone of scoffing "Some people dont want a challenge" does get old...
"Best" is a matter of personal opinion. Everyone has quests that he likes and hates. I will bet that any two people who compares their lists will find differences. Some people love the shavarath quests. I detest them. The raid itself is great, though. I am sure others disagree...
There is no need to force people to play quests they dont like just because a handful of players deem them the "best" quests in the game. There is always another handful that thinks those same quests are the worst quests.
Everyone is playing a different game.
My issue with Crucible was not the difficulty per se. It was the reliance on a specific toon to do many parts of the quest: high reflex with evasion. Yes, it can be done without that, but it takes a good player to do it. What this resulted in was sitting with the lfm up forever trying to get a swimmer. I agree, not the best quest to pug, but many people have no other option. If i was on a toon that could do the swim, then i didnt mind the quest because i knew we would complete. However, when i have to sit for an hour to fill the lfm, and then after an hour in a pug we wipe and half the group bails, this causes one to really loathe the quest. Not because of the quest in and of itself. Because of the pain in the arse it is just to complete.
As for help completing it, If just reading the wiki isn't doing it for you... There's always MrCow's videos...
That said, I do believe it belongs as part of the saga.
Crucible is only a piking quest if you choose not to participate and let only 1 player do all the work. Only you make yourself the piker.
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