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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    So the 8Fighter/6monk/6ranger build are more for using light weapons? I currently have 2 Nightmares and I don't plan on running CiTW anymore... so maybe this type of build is not for me.

    Thanks for all the replies. It looks like I need to wait and learn the new enhancement system before I attempt any type of multi-class build... so many options.
    No the fighter/monk is definately suited to using nightmares, just remember you need 8 levels of fighter as a minimum, 2 levels of monk nets evasion, and the rest is how you want to build it.
    I was just throwing out a theory build for good twf dps lol, your kensai focus allows you to stay centred with a variety of weapons eg. Heavy Blades = Khopesh, scimmies, longswords etc, Light Blades = Rapiers, daggers, shortswords etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    So the 8Fighter/6monk/6ranger build are more for using light weapons? I currently have 2 Nightmares and I don't plan on running CiTW anymore... so maybe this type of build is not for me.

    Thanks for all the replies. It looks like I need to wait and learn the new enhancement system before I attempt any type of multi-class build... so many options.
    Just gonna throw it out there, his build is pretty much just a base line. Nightmare can be put on any build with at least 8 fighter (if you want to be centered) or just any build in general. The best part about it too is that it's a heavy blade meaning you can also use Longswords, Scimitars, all the thf blades, and gain all the same benefits. You can use khopeshes as well, but you need the proper feat to do so.

    The other good thing, is Bastard swords don't suck. If you really want to get as much mileage out of them as you can, a 12 fighter 5 Arti 2 Monk build would gain you the most bonuses. Go Human (cause they are awesome) and boom, super awesome build. Even would have enough feats to throw some ranged abilities in there.

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    Currently I'm liking the looks of either 11Ranger/8Rogue/1Fighter, or a 14Ranger/4Pali/2Fighter(Or 2 Monk, fighter is only really only for stunning blow DC's.).

    The first is a high DPS build working around sneak attack. No tactics, since it wouldn't be possible to sustain any good DC's for EE's worth a rogue split. I'm currently only level 14 with it, but I'm already critting for 300-400 with LitII Longswords and Maelstrom. End up with 100% offhand procs, something like 12d6+12 sneak attack or something close to that. You get max UMD for heal scrolls, Empower heal'd CLW/CMW, Cocoon. Evasion, Improved Uncanny Dodge.

    The second build while less DPS, is much, much more survivable. Empowered heal+Quickened CLW/CMW/CSW, 5 LOH's, Heal scrolls, Cocoon. FOM. Plenty of heal amp. if you go with the Fighter splash, you also get tactics for stunning blow in EE's. Your Stunning Blow will work well up to EE's, and will work in EE's up until the U19 content.*** You get fear immunity, god like saves, Evasion, Poison Immunity, Disease Immunity, Divine Might, Cha to saves. 90% offhand, With the DM you end up with more Str than otherwise possible on a mostly Ranger split.(Depending on gear you end up with close to 70 Str)

    *** While it is theoretically possible to have a stunning blow DC for all EE's up to the u19 content(and anything except Giants etc. in U19), it does take a lot of gear. A lot. and 3 Fighter past lives would certainly not hurt either, although you can make it without them if you only play EH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLegendOfAra View Post
    Currently I'm liking the looks of either 11Ranger/8Rogue/1Fighter . . . End up with 100% offhand procs...
    Where do you get the other 10% offhand with this build? You get 10% from tempest core 2. You need ranger 12 to get the other 10% from tempest core 4. AFAIK the only other place to increase offhand attack chance is shintao deft strikes. What am I missing?
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    Pure rogue is absolutely absurd DPS. My biggest complaint has been that using divine power from a scroll just doesn't last long enough to be worth it, and I notice the attack speed difference.

    I'm currently trying out 12 Ranger/8 Fighter Khopesh TWF (which can also use longswords/scimitars just as well). Full BAB, great DPS, but survivability has been weaker than I'd like. While leveling he's been kind of a barbarian without the class icon giveaway - HPs on both sides of the fight just melt away. In epic levels I'm starting to gear up better and it's starting to be less painful. Monk splashes are almost certainly more powerful all around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CThruTheEgo View Post
    Where do you get the other 10% offhand with this build? You get 10% from tempest core 2. You need ranger 12 to get the other 10% from tempest core 4. AFAIK the only other place to increase offhand attack chance is shintao deft strikes. What am I missing?
    Ah, you're correct. My bad.
    When I first came up with the build and started playing it I originally planned it to be 12Ranger/7Rogue/1Fighter; I was convinced 8 Rogue would be better though, because of Improved Uncanny Dodge. I was pulling the stats from my notebook and forgot I had actually changed the build. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibor View Post
    I'm currently trying out 12 Ranger/8 Fighter Khopesh TWF (which can also use longswords/scimitars just as well). Full BAB, great DPS, but survivability has been weaker than I'd like. While leveling he's been kind of a barbarian without the class icon giveaway - HPs on both sides of the fight just melt away.
    :O How can you have 12 Ranger levels and lack survivability? That's nearly impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLegendOfAra View Post
    :O How can you have 12 Ranger levels and lack survivability? That's nearly impossible.
    Heh yeah, I have a 14 Rgr/2 Fighter khop wielder TR as my main right now...12 Rgr loses Cure Serious, but even Cure Moderate with Emp Heal, plus Tempest dodging and Evasion, should be miles ahead of Barbarian in terms of self-sustainability in Heroic. I was running Elites at +1 level, with a Cleric hireling, and it was still basically a faceroll, except for traps. I didnt even have to heal myself that often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLegendOfAra View Post
    :O How can you have 12 Ranger levels and lack survivability? That's nearly impossible.
    Because I took 4 levels of fighter before my 12th ranger level (probably a mistake, should have gone ranger 12 then fighter levels from there. Maybe. Extra feats early didn't hurt); didn't have evasion until lvl 13, healing lagging behind even more than usual, and it was a completely unprepared TR in terms of gear. Almost all the enhancements were towards DPS at first; eventually I took improved dodge, mobility feat, and improved mobility, but not until towards the end of the build. Didn't have a devotion item until epic levels where I had some red slot on the off-hand.

    I'm also wondering if I should ditch the +stun items and try to stack improved deception instead; that might be the single most important piece of defense my rogue has, and he has the attack speed for it. Still need more doublestrike, though.

    At any rate, I think the changes have made it so TWF builds have a lot of choices on how to level split. Just don't forget pure rogue as an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibor View Post
    Because I took 4 levels of fighter before my 12th ranger level (probably a mistake, should have gone ranger 12 then fighter levels from there. Maybe. Extra feats early didn't hurt); didn't have evasion until lvl 13, healing lagging behind even more than usual, and it was a completely unprepared TR in terms of gear. Almost all the enhancements were towards DPS at first; eventually I took improved dodge, mobility feat, and improved mobility, but not until towards the end of the build. Didn't have a devotion item until epic levels where I had some red slot on the off-hand.

    I'm also wondering if I should ditch the +stun items and try to stack improved deception instead; that might be the single most important piece of defense my rogue has, and he has the attack speed for it. Still need more doublestrike, though.
    Ah well thats not Ranger's fault, then Still, a pair of Water Khopeshes and you're basically good to go. I did think you were talking about a Heroic TR, though, not necessarily Epic, which I havent played into with a TWF Ranger yet...I trust you're using Cocoon with Emp Heal, now?

    I would definitely go with Deception. Backstabber's Gloves, specifically - gives you Bluff procs, plus Sneak Damage to make use of them. Combined with Exposing Strike, it keeps mobs spun around a lot, which is almost as good as stunning them. Always funny to see a Fire Elemental lobbing fireballs in the opposite direction

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLegendOfAra View Post
    Ah, you're correct. My bad.
    When I first came up with the build and started playing it I originally planned it to be 12Ranger/7Rogue/1Fighter; I was convinced 8 Rogue would be better though, because of Improved Uncanny Dodge. I was pulling the stats from my notebook and forgot I had actually changed the build. lol
    Seems you could just switch the offhand procs for the 2 builds you mentioned and you'd be fine :P

    And yes, the 8 rogue version will be uber. Soon as you can actually, you know, finish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibor View Post
    Pure rogue is absolutely absurd DPS. My biggest complaint has been that using divine power from a scroll just doesn't last long enough to be worth it, and I notice the attack speed difference.
    Tensor's Transformation is over a minute and a stronger buff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmanis View Post
    Seems you could just switch the offhand procs for the 2 builds you mentioned and you'd be fine :P

    And yes, the 8 rogue version will be uber. Soon as you can actually, you know, finish it.
    Haha I should do that, but I'm to lazy.

    And I willllll! Eventually. Maybe. Probably. I'll go try to log in first thing in the morning! Maybe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nibor View Post
    Because I took 4 levels of fighter before my 12th ranger level (probably a mistake, should have gone ranger 12 then fighter levels from there. Maybe. Extra feats early didn't hurt); didn't have evasion until lvl 13, healing lagging behind even more than usual, and it was a completely unprepared TR in terms of gear. Almost all the enhancements were towards DPS at first; eventually I took improved dodge, mobility feat, and improved mobility, but not until towards the end of the build. Didn't have a devotion item until epic levels where I had some red slot on the off-hand.

    I'm also wondering if I should ditch the +stun items and try to stack improved deception instead; that might be the single most important piece of defense my rogue has, and he has the attack speed for it. Still need more doublestrike, though.

    At any rate, I think the changes have made it so TWF builds have a lot of choices on how to level split. Just don't forget pure rogue as an option.
    Ah haha I see, I guess that makes some sense. Prepared TR's are the best TR's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLegendOfAra View Post
    Haha I should do that, but I'm to lazy.

    And I willllll! Eventually. Maybe. Probably. I'll go try to log in first thing in the morning! Maybe.



    Ah haha I see, I guess that makes some sense. Prepared TR's are the best TR's.
    Ah I see what you 2 are talking about, your doing that toon in your sig?

    Is that a 34/36 point human build with TWF & trapping etc? 11 ranger 8 rogue 1 fighter? Looks interesting! :P! ! ! Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmanis View Post
    Soon as you can actually, you know, finish it.
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