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    Default Who Is The Best 2 Weapon Fighter Now - Fighter/Monk Or Pure Ranger?

    I've been away from the game for a while and I'm looking to respec my fighter with his +20 heart.

    What do you think is the better spec: A Kensei fighter with "One With The Blade" and some monk levels... or Pure Tempest Ranger with all of the doublestrike bonuses?

    I am half-elf with 2 Nightmares and will be playing most content on epic hard.

    Thanks for your input.
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    Two Nightmares?

    WOO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CheeseMilk View Post
    Two Nightmares?

    WOO!
    interesting build... I'll look into it.

    I've also seen a few 8fighter/6monk/6ranger builds that I should probably look at.
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    How about two weapon fighting pure rogue?
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    I see you have two nightmares which are less rogue like.
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    The tempest capstone is likely broken. It was tested on Lam and found that the offhand doublestrike chance was only checked when mainhand doublestrikes went off. This was confirmed to be a bug but it is not known if it made it to live or not. If you?*decide to go pure tempest, please test the capstone and report your results here.

    While Nightmare does provide the top twf dps on EE, it's actually sub-par on EH and lower. On EE mobs have inflated hp which means 1) the level drain on Nightmare will have more of a chance to proc and 2) it will drain more hp when it does. Below EE you're better off with straight dps.

    As maddmatt mentioned, a pure rogue assassin is still one of the best contenders for top twf dps. But if you're not interested in a pure rogue, consider a centered Balizarde user. I've been toying with the idea of a dragonmarked elf fighter8/monk6/ranger6 dual wielding Balizardes. Elf gets bonuses to rapiers and longbows, 3% doublestrike, and displacement dragonmarks. Fighter8 for centered light blades and increased crit range. Monk6 for shadow veil, earth stance, 10% offhand attacks, PRR, and some heal amp and positive spell power. Ranger6 for a decent ranged option from manyshot and 10% more offhand attacks for a total of 100% with monk. Balizarde ends up with a crit profile of 13-18 x3, 19-20 x5 (x6 in legendary dreadnaught). Fists of iron gives you a crit profile of 12-18 x4, 19-20 x6 (x7 in legendary dreadnaught). I'm pretty sure this would outperform Nightmare in content lower than EE.
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    Best is subjective.

    My ranger does less damage than my fighter but has better self-healing.

    My fighter (12/6/2 build) does more damage than my ranger but while he can self-heal it's not as good as Quickened+Maximize+CSW.

    I can't say either is better.
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    For my Tempest Ranger Kensai I switched from 2 nightmares to 1 nightmare and switched to an epic hard first blood for my offhand.

    I too am on the fence about if I like it more with ranger or monk...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    I've been away from the game for a while and I'm looking to respec my fighter with his +20 heart.

    What do you think is the better spec: A Kensei fighter with "One With The Blade" and some monk levels... or Pure Tempest Ranger with all of the doublestrike bonuses?

    I am half-elf with 2 Nightmares and will be playing most content on epic hard.

    Thanks for your input.
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    Also, I designed a build for a guy that actually would solve this problem very well.

    11 Ranger, 8 Fighter, 1 Monk. Centered with Bastard Swords, and as many boosts as you want from tempest. Stand around in earth stance 3, take the cleaves for Overwhelming Critical, and take point blank shot.

    Granted, he was using khopeshes but it's not like the build can't be adapted for something else.

    Though I guess the main doublestrike bonuses are on the top tier. So it's kind of whatever you would want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Best is subjective.

    My ranger does less damage than my fighter but has better self-healing.

    My fighter (12/6/2 build) does more damage than my ranger but while he can self-heal it's not as good as Quickened+Maximize+CSW.

    I can't say either is better.
    Exactly what I was about to write, what's best in this case is subjective and situational. My only real comment is to get some cha into the build and pick up divine might from one source or another. I've become addicted to divine might since u19.

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    I think ud have to first figure out what weapon you were going to use, how you wanted to play, and then decide on a build. Because their are just soooo many mix possibilities, all of which are gonna net you high good to great dmg.

    I saw someone post an idea of a rog ranger... something else maybe pally. Actually seemed viable enough in forcing SA that eventually i'll make one instead of the standard 18/2mnk handwrap SA dmg.
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    I'm rolling with a 10 Paladin (sacred defender)/ 4 Ranger (tempest) / 4 Rogue and it's a pretty solid build (aside from the new rogue changes on traps - bah). I'm not one to verify the mathematics of it but Paladin adds some nice defense, lay on hands, saves boost and con bonus.
    Light armor (decent AC), evasion and TWF - worth a look. Not sure how it stacks against the new tempest but smokes the old build.

    I'm thinking I'll be going 14 Monk \6 Ranger (tempest) on my next TR.

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    There are so many great twf combos right now, all i can tell you are that my favorite splash for twf is 2 cleric or fvs, no kidding. But druid is close.

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    Still planning out my next life but one I do like so far but haven't fully specced out is 12 ranger/3 druid/4 fvs(last level not sure where to put yet). 3 druid for fatal harrier and vengeful hunter, 4 fvs for divine might, smite weakness and ameliorating strike and 12 ranger for the extra 10% offhand strikes. Lots of self healing and saves should be good enough for EH content but probably lacking for EE. If you have a couple of celestias you can take shield of condemnation from fvs too to up your dps when tanking things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayseifn View Post
    Still planning out my next life but one I do like so far but haven't fully specced out is 12 ranger/3 druid/4 fvs(last level not sure where to put yet). 3 druid for fatal harrier and vengeful hunter, 4 fvs for divine might, smite weakness and ameliorating strike and 12 ranger for the extra 10% offhand strikes. Lots of self healing and saves should be good enough for EH content but probably lacking for EE. If you have a couple of celestias you can take shield of condemnation from fvs too to up your dps when tanking things.
    Strong build, definitely ee capable when geared.

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    I'm pretty sure there is no one build that has been proven to be the new king of TWF Dps.

    How about something along the Lines of:

    8 Fighter / 6monk / 6ranger.

    Kensai Centred with Light blades.

    -For Trash 2 * Sacrificial Daggers in Air Stance
    -For Bosses 2 * Balizarde in Earth Stance
    -For when u really have to bypass DR 2 * Celestias

    Of course the split can be fiddled to suit, but the light blades centred is pretty important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoasterHops View Post
    I'm pretty sure there is no one build that has been proven to be the new king of TWF Dps.

    How about something along the Lines of:

    8 Fighter / 6monk / 6ranger.

    Kensai Centred with Light blades.

    -For Trash 2 * Sacrificial Daggers in Air Stance
    -For Bosses 2 * Balizarde in Earth Stance
    -For when u really have to bypass DR 2 * Celestias

    Of course the split can be fiddled to suit, but the light blades centred is pretty important.
    Tier IV stances, Str based with OC line, Centred Manyshot for ***** and giggles.
    So the 8Fighter/6monk/6ranger build are more for using light weapons? I currently have 2 Nightmares and I don't plan on running CiTW anymore... so maybe this type of build is not for me.

    Thanks for all the replies. It looks like I need to wait and learn the new enhancement system before I attempt any type of multi-class build... so many options.
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    I have no clue about what combo is best, but 12fighter/4paladin/4monk is a combo that revolves around getting the most out of your Nightmares. You get 16-20 level drain (kensai tier 5) and lots of healing amp for the vampirism (the two tiers of healing amp from paladin + 2 core abilities from monk). You get nice high tactics with divine might (just be sure to start with a decent charisma, like 14) and power surge. You can even get an additional heal on hit source when you hit enemies with fists of light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayseifn View Post
    Still planning out my next life but one I do like so far but haven't fully specced out is 12 ranger/3 druid/4 fvs(last level not sure where to put yet). 3 druid for fatal harrier and vengeful hunter, 4 fvs for divine might, smite weakness and ameliorating strike and 12 ranger for the extra 10% offhand strikes. Lots of self healing and saves should be good enough for EH content but probably lacking for EE. If you have a couple of celestias you can take shield of condemnation from fvs too to up your dps when tanking things.
    Is it working as intended that the beast stances work when not in beast form?

    I only ask because I've lost a lot of characters lately because of "fixes" in the patches and want to be sure I wont have to retire a druid splashed character a few days after rolling one up.

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