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    Cool Iconic BF - 14f/4p/2m - Nitro. Comments welcome

    Hello,

    First time poster, have played on and off for a few years and still havent TR'd my main, almost there! So yeah pretty noobish.

    Wanted to create a nitro boost build, but as a melee not as ranged.

    Dont have a high level character to be able to test stuff, but I'm fortunate to have iconic bladeforged as part of buying the expansion.

    Oh, and NO TOMES REQUIRED! (although they always help!)

    Basic Idea
    Basically, this build is based around boosting 4 abilities at once, plus whatever clickies you might have. Note, I haven't done epic levels yet - feel free to comment. The rest of the build was just a series of adjustments made due to the race/class selections, ended up making the class be a little focussed on stunning blow, since I managed to get pretty good str adds.

    Key Boosts
    Power Surge, 8 uses (k)
    Haste Boost, 8 uses (k)
    Divine Might 11+ uses (p)
    Power of the Forge, 8 uses (bf)

    Key Stances
    Power Attack
    Grandmaster of Rock
    Stalwart Defence

    These all work off individual cooldowns, and dont expend action boosts against each other, all boosts and stances stack.

    Classes
    Paladin was taken at level 1 for me, I raised this to 4 to have access to Turn Undead (required for Divine Might) and some access to meta magic feats (see below). Knight of the Chalice

    I went with the 2 monk levels to provide feats, evasion, and grand mastery of form. They have a nice bump to saves as well.

    Kensei is taken to 14, the first 12 for the Power Surge and the last 2 to grab some needed feats. Also required to work with Monk stances.

    Race
    Bladeforged for the Power of the Forged of course, little nugget of an ability it is. Also handy is the racial seeker, adamantium, and .5 W from weapon attachment.

    Key Skills
    Repair and Concentration, with monk dump in balance

    Key Feats
    GTH
    Stunning Blow (very tasty with our Power Surge, Grandmaster of Flame, and Divine Might)
    Mastery of Forms
    Force of Personality (Crappy will)
    Quicken Spell
    Mental Toughness


    Key Spells
    No pally spells taken (then why the meta feats??) - 3 points in the Communion of Scribing, giving you a massive self heal every 6 seconds (Ring of Master Artificer is great on this build).

    With level 4 Pally we were able to take Quicken, and with plenty of concentration we are able to be much more sure of getting that heal off in time. It's a spell like ability, doesnt take extra spell points from using quicken, although we take also Mental Toughness, 105 plus the 20 from pally give 5 heals. Add in another 8 from an archmagi and we have 13 per rest.

    Key Enhancements
    Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (k) - I like big blades and I cannot lie.
    One with the Blade (k)
    Extra Action Boost - 3 ranks (k)
    Strength x 2 (k)
    Weapon Attachment (bf)
    Communion of Scribing - 3 ranks (bf)
    Strength x 2 (sd)
    Stalwart Defence (sd)
    Divine Strength, 1 rank (kotc) - 30 seconds is fine, but feel free to drop a Strength to get it 60 seconds (matching Power Surge time)

    Anyway, I have no lunch time left so here is a slightly output (modified due to bugs) from the DDO Character Planner.

    Please let me know what you think could be improved, or different concepts entirely...



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    Nitro 
    Level 20 Lawful Good Bladeforged Male
    (14 Fighter \ 4 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
    Hit Points: 285
    Spell Points: 125 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 24
    Reflex: 13
    Will: 17
    
                      Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
    Strength             16                 21                   25
    Dexterity            12                 12                   12
    Constitution         16                 16                   18
    Intelligence          8                  8                    8
    Wisdom                6                  6                    6
    Charisma             16                 16                   16
    
    Level 1 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Lord of Blades
    Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 3 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 4 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
    
    
    Level 5 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 6 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave
    Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
    
    
    Level 8 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
    
    
    Level 16 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
    
    
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Construct Stability (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Construct Stability (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Construct Stability (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Handling (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Weapon Attachment (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Power of the Forge (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer I (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Light (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Power Surge (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Weapon Meditation (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Weapon Meditation (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Shattering Strike (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Keen Edge (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - One With The Blade (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Deadly Strike (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Overbalance (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Resilient Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
    Last edited by Blighty; 09-29-2013 at 10:15 AM. Reason: Starting Dex 12, not 6

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    Since you're apparently going the centered Kensei route, I'd recommend monk 6 / pal 4 / ftr 8 (last 2 lvls up to you); the extra monk lvls gets you Adept of Forms, +1 monk bonus feat, Shadow Veil, etc. Or monk 6 / ftr 12 / pal 2: you lose access to metamagics & Divine Sacrifice and have to Twist in Bane of Undeath before you can use Divine Might; but it lets you keep Shadow Veil + Power Surge + GWS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Since you're apparently going the centered Kensei route, I'd recommend monk 6 / pal 4 / ftr 8 (last 2 lvls up to you); the extra monk lvls gets you Adept of Forms, +1 monk bonus feat, Shadow Veil, etc. Or monk 6 / ftr 12 / pal 2: you lose access to metamagics & Divine Sacrifice and have to Twist in Bane of Undeath before you can use Divine Might; but it lets you keep Shadow Veil + Power Surge + GWS.
    Thanks for your comment.

    Yes, I have a build just about to hit 20 that is based on kensi spy - 12f,6m,2pal. It's got plenty of DPS with sa, poison, lots of dodge and shadow is cool - I also fit in whirlwind for that build (i change my mind from day to day on weather i like it, but it's a good alpha strike).

    I had no idea that I could still get divine str with that build through epic??! Even with 2 pal? Hmmm, i really need to read up on epic. I was hoping I could additional different epic boosts.

    The only issue I find with that build is it's a bit squishy for a front line melee doing lots of damage, and the party healers don't like me Hence while Stalward Defender enhancements - bringing me 40 prr before items.

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    Sorry, starting Dex was 12, not 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blighty View Post
    I had no idea that I could still get divine str with that build through epic??! Even with 2 pal?
    2 pally lvls is enough to take Divine Might from KotC; but you still need Turn Undead to use DM, which can either come from pal 4 or Bane of Undeath from Unyielding Sentinel ED. So, say, start GMoF, move to US long enough to Twist in BoU, then switch to LD.

    Also, I forgot you can now take Magical Training as a chosen feat on any build. This would let you Twist in Endless Faith from Exalted Angel, which ups your Echoes of Power cap to 30 SPs. That's just enough to use your Reconstruct SLA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    2 pally lvls is enough to take Divine Might from KotC; but you still need Turn Undead to use DM, which can either come from pal 4 or Bane of Undeath from Unyielding Sentinel ED. So, say, start GMoF, move to US long enough to Twist in BoU, then switch to LD.

    Also, I forgot you can now take Magical Training as a chosen feat on any build. This would let you Twist in Endless Faith from Exalted Angel, which ups your Echoes of Power cap to 30 SPs. That's just enough to use your Reconstruct SLA.
    Yeah, I saw that too. Ok, well that seems like a GREAT suggestion (Bane of Undeath), all I gotta do now is reconfigure for Monk 6. I'll see what I can do.

    Thankyou sir!

    *Updated with build*

    I've managed to fit in both Stalwart Defender Stance and Shadow Veil.
    Had to drop my 2 Str from Stalward, and a few other enhancements, but still kept prr and a few ac.
    Monk 6 gives me a few extra AC as compensation, plus I now have more dodge.

    So yeah, final would be LD, with Twisted Endless Faith, Bane of Undeath, and probably Standing in Stone for additional prr.

    That would make
    A Power Surge, 11 uses (k)
    Haste Boost, 11 uses (k)
    Divine Might 11 uses (p)
    Power of the Forge, 11 uses (bf)

    With 20 sec coodowns, on Action Boosts we can keep running for just under 4min. Add to that Grandmaster stances, Shadow Viel (practically a stance with it never really going off), and Stalwart Defence all stacking.


    Undecided about one thing, considering to drop Weapon Handling and Communion of Handling so that I can pick up Sting of the Ninja.

    Sting gets me quite a few extra DPS on mobs that have enough HP to stay up a while, and my weapon of choice, Sword of Shadows already has Adantimine... Racial Seeker 5 and .5w is good though. Any suggetions?



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    Nitro
    Level 20 Lawful Good Bladeforged Male
    (12 Fighter \ 2 Paladin \ 6 Monk) 
    Hit Points: 274
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
    Fortitude: 25
    Reflex: 15
    Will: 18
    
                      Starting            Ending          
    Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats        
    (32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
    Strength             16                 20            
    Dexterity            12                 13            
    Constitution         16                 16            
    Intelligence          8                  8            
    Wisdom                6                  6            
    Charisma             16                 16            
    
                      Starting            Ending          
                     Base Skills        Base Skills       
    Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
    Balance               1                 11            
    Bluff                 3                  3            
    Concentration         7                 15            
    Diplomacy             3                  3            
    Disable Device       n/a               n/a            
    Haggle                3                  3            
    Heal                 -2                 -2            
    Hide                  1                  1            
    Intimidate            3                  3            
    Jump                  3                  6            
    Listen               -2                 -2            
    Move Silently         1                  1            
    Open Lock             n/a               n/a           
    Perform               n/a               n/a           
    Repair               -1                 12            
    Search               -1                 -1            
    Spellcraft           -1                 -1            
    Spot                 -2                 -2            
    Swim                  n/a               n/a           
    Tumble                n/a               n/a           
    Use Magic Device      3                  3            
    
    Level 1 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Silver Flame
    Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
    
    
    Level 2 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 3 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 4 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
    
    
    Level 5 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 6 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 7 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 8 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Magical Training
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 12 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 15 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 16 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Construct Stability (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Scribing (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Communion of Handling (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Weapon Attachment (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Bladeforged - Power of the Forge (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Spiritual Bond (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strike With No Thought (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Power Surge (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Weapon Meditation (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Weapon Meditation (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Shattering Strike (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Weapon Specialization: Heavy Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Strength (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Keen Edge (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - One With The Blade (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Deadly Strike (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Shadow Veil (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer I (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Toughness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Overbalance (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Durable Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Stalwart Defensive Mastery (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Stalwart Defender (Ftr) - Armor Expertise (Rank 1)
    Last edited by Blighty; 09-29-2013 at 11:11 PM. Reason: Revised for Monk 6

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    Stalwart stance wouldn't work without shield.
    2 "perma twists" seem kinda limiting.
    There might be better ( or less boring ) twists than t4 Earth prr from gmof, Sense weakness, Grim Precision, Scream, Dance with flowers, ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Encair View Post
    Stalwart stance wouldn't work without shield.
    2 "perma twists" seem kinda limiting.
    There might be better ( or less boring ) twists than t4 Earth prr from gmof, Sense weakness, Grim Precision, Scream, Dance with flowers, ...
    Lol. Yes, you are right. I might of been looking at sacred defenders reqs, and didnt notice. Back to the drawing board!

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    So, thinking of the less boring comment. Perhaps a 'Oh sMighty Build' - 8f/6m/6p

    7 Smites with +2 crit and +2rang + 25 dam
    Cleave and Great Cleave
    Sting of the Ninja
    Master Of Forms
    Quicken Spell
    Magical Training (for echoes)

    Twisted Endless Smiting, Endless Faith, Daunting Roar

    Or conversely back to the original more defensive build but adding sacred defended, who doesn't seem to require a shield. Still get monk sting and drop quicken for stun.
    Last edited by Blighty; 10-02-2013 at 06:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Encair View Post
    Stalwart stance wouldn't work without shield.
    Defensive stance works fine w/out shield; the higher-tier Gtr Stalwart Defense bonuses require S&B, but he didn't take any of those. I would max out Resilient Defense (+3 to saves) rather than waste APs on Defensive Mastery + Armor Expertise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Defensive stance works fine w/out shield; the higher-tier Gtr Stalwart Defense bonuses require S&B, but he didn't take any of those. I would max out Resilient Defense (+3 to saves) rather than waste APs on Defensive Mastery + Armor Expertise.
    Yeah, I just tested it and it works fine. The description on the DDOWIKI is wrong.

    I guess that's probably a good idea, since I'm never going to have an AC that will be any good, the original point of going with as much prr as i could get my hands on.

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