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    Someone else is *actually* suppose to jheal me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfurnace View Post
    Why do people think divines instantly have lower damage? I don't get it...
    I can only speak for myself, but in my case it's because that has consistently been my experience, with the exception of undead-heavy quests.

    It's not exactly surprising that a class not really designed for damage output would put out less damage than one that is.

    As for the childish "play with better players" nonsense, the obvious retort is that if the divine is so much better than the non-divines, you should play with better non-divines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daitengu View Post
    When was the last time a healer thanked the dps guys for killing stuff?
    I do, when playing my clerics - a simple "nice DPS" when a boss gets taken out in timely fashion, "nice CC" when someone manages to snag a hold on 5 or 6 mobs at once in EE content, etc. (ah, the joy of seeing all the devils being held in Elite VoD back when the level cap was 20 - I knew it would be a good raid when that happened ) It does work both ways. I've also offered the arcanes a pot or two if I've managed to do a raid without using any myself and I've seen their blue bars jump suddenly a couple times...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaliya View Post
    I can only speak for myself, but in my case it's because that has consistently been my experience, with the exception of undead-heavy quests.

    It's not exactly surprising that a class not really designed for damage output would put out less damage than one that is.

    As for the childish "play with better players" nonsense, the obvious retort is that if the divine is so much better than the non-divines, you should play with better non-divines.
    Naw, not like divines have blade barrier, destruction or any spells.
    Silly me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    Not me but proof they're not mythic and quicker than soloing an ee myself taking a ss etc etc etc.

    https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...olo-Epic-Elite
    shhhh don't show it, divines aren't divines, are healers

    fighters and paladins aren't melee, they're tanks
    arcanes are casters
    rogues,druids,barbs and artis are dps
    bards are shamans

    and this is wow
    psykopeta - hoarding pl, for the sake of hoarding, the day i become ubercompletionist will be because there isn't anything to delay it more - thelanis, where the gimps claim to be pros and noobs claim to be pros, no newbies allowed(unless they claim to be pros), we have enough drama w/o them. PS i'm not a pro, maybe if i reincarnate in RL...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfurnace View Post
    Why do people think divines instantly have lower damage? I don't get it...
    I have no idea, there is nothing inherently lower about a divines dps, they may not be barbs in terms of dps but even barbs aren't barbs anymore from what I've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    I have no idea, there is nothing inherently lower about a divines dps, they may not be barbs in terms of dps but even barbs aren't barbs anymore from what I've heard.
    Tell me about it.
    Same stigma I get with my melee wizard, I guess. Oh noes, you could be doing something else, thus melee is gimped! (or spells in a divines case)

    I vote we all reroll into shiradi sorc's, then nobody can complain about anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LupusVai View Post
    So, by that standard I guess you don't:

    Thank your waitress when she brings your meal.
    Thank the delivery man for bringing your package.
    Thank the first responders who help save lives.
    Thank the checkout girl who scans and packs your groceries.
    Thank your wife for making you dinner.
    Thank the service men and women who protect your country defend your freedoms to be ignorant to others.

    A little bit of gratitude and politeness goes a long way and also doesn't cost you anything.
    You are right, it does not cost anything.

    The truth is these kinds of "thanks" are simply a product of the social grace and etiquette of the person offering thanks, and have no relevance to the skill, talents, or ability of the person who is doing the job or task.

    Case in point: The delivery person gets a thanks for dropping off a box, more often a Hello and a smile, and perhaps a thanks falls in there for purely social puffery reasons. But they are just doing their job and I am doing mine, everyone knows this, we are working stiffs all of us, so we may as well be cardinal to each other. The truth is, no one is really pay attention to what the other person is doing unless they are screwing it up.

    Case in point: I thank my wife for making me dinner, even if she burns and botches it, My thanking her is not a testament to her skill as a cook, but my parents skill to raise their son with proper social skills.

    Just something for you think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaliya View Post
    ...with the exception of undead-heavy quests.
    You could spend 100% of your time in DDO in "undead-heavy" quests. There are some at every level, and multiple epics. And the difference between divines and other classes when it comes to undead is that a divine's DPS will often go up a little, while other class-based DPS often goes down by a large amount (arcanes excluded). So your little exception is, well, not so little...

    As for thanking people, I generally thank any group that manages to be less than completely aggravating. You thanking my cleric for healing you? Ya, that would probably coincide with me resisting the urge to tell you how to play. The proportion of babysitting activities to this-guy-rolled-a-one-and-really-needs-help situations is so large that gratitude is more likely to come off as self-centered drivel. No, giving me mnemonic pots doesn't make anything better. I'd much rather you take care of yourself, for the most part, so that I have better choices for how to complete the current gaming mission.

    Babysitting 5 or 11 other people leaves remarkably little time to actually play your own character...

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    i wil say "good job"or something simular when we did well as a party
    I will help replenish mana pots on raid runs.
    I will help replenish scrolls if needed

    i will not thank divine casters whille sitting on my knees for their pressence, we all have a job in the party, we're all links in the chain.
    I will thank everybody who did a good job.

    I do see less and less "healer types" in pugs, more and more i see these:

    fvs's firering magic missile's non stop in epic content, not firering of 1 heal, dieing 43 times in eh content, finishing quest with 80% of his spell points, doesn't responce to party chat, general chat, Tell's nor voice chat. Takes him 4X the time to take down 1 mob then a melee

    or,

    Fvs, using pinion, again, no party heals, no responce to chat, no dps, does seem to self heal only, finishes out with 80% of sp.

    Both are black listed by all major guilds on the server.

    Most people keep their healer of the who list, only getting them out forguild/channel runs to avoid pug drama's (at least on my server)

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    I thank good healers all the time. And if need be gives the pots if they had to spend some. This whole 'some don't heal' and 'I don't heal because it's a thankless world' are so pedestrian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    Considering the divine could kill everything just as fast outside of a raid if you weren't there? Yeah the divine is doing you a favor by letting you be there.
    Disagree completely. Content in DDO I need a "healer": None

    EE content in DDO that a divine can't solo: Lots

    I am always doing the divine a favor. They are never doing me a favor. Yet I never get thanked. Booo divines and their selfish attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfurnace View Post
    Why do people think divines instantly have lower damage? I don't get it...
    because they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfurnace View Post
    Why do people think divines instantly have lower damage? I don't get it...
    There is no "think" about it. Attempt to solo EE content on an optimal divine, and then come back and tell me about damage.

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    I run a Cleric that was built as an EE quest/ raid healbot.

    I also run a capped TWF Juggy

    So I have seen both sides of the coin.


    On my Cleric I dont expect thanks unless I do an outstanding job above and beyond etc.

    I only thank the other party members if they do an outstanding job or they save my Clerics bacon.

    On my melee I will thank in advance for any healing I may recieve and the same for buffs.
    I dont expect any thanks.


    Whatever alt I sm on I will compliment what I see to be good play.

    When Im on my Cleric I will make "suggestions" to the group on what I percieve will help me to help the quest - some might call it being bossy but those who know me know that Im not.

    Like all healing types, I love praise when it is deserved.


    Finally, Ive never been kicked, squelched, blacklisted or shouted at because I healed too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemedium_jt View Post
    There is a reason over the years I have see players get out of the party healing job (Cleric mostly) and go for a more self healing Divine type casted build (Druid/Fav Soul) or leave Divines altogether .

    When a player tends to mess up it is rarely noticed unless you are the party healer. Now you will notice out there there are less Cleric types cause they tend to be type casted in a party healing role which is the way they are built, but players forget that they don't have to be. It is a free game. I think it is expected for a reason, but it is rarely appreciated. It is the reason LFMs waiting for party healers are up for a long time.

    There are plenty of bad players. It is just that you only notice the bad Clerics. Clerics/party healers are the goaltenders like in hockey. Everyone screams and yells when a goal is scored by the other players on the team. They pat themselves on the back. But if the goal tender sucks or is having a bad day the game is still lost.

    You will see all the hockey players go up to the goaltender after the game win or lose to show support and thanks.

    Unfortunately that does not happen to Clerics/Party healers in DDO.

    You are ungrateful kids most of the time.

    It is why there are less Clerics than there use to be. I have seen many Clerics come and go over the years. Even the ones that liked to mostly just be in a heal role.
    I thank myself for putting up with the people I heal each and every day.

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    Seems like I'm a minority, but I enjoy healing (when I play my cleric that is). I like having 5 other members doing their best knowing I will be behind them ready to heal. I like making the party feel comfortable and secured.
    What I don't like is all those "self-healing" types. I try to avoid LFMs that have ranger/monk, paladin/monk, fvs/monk, anything/monk. It is a dead giveaway that they are going to be "self-sufficient" zergers. While they may or may not complete the quest in less time than usual and be more easy to heal, but I play for the challenge. (Not if the party is playing stupid. Of course I have limits; I won't push myself to heal)
    And of course I adapt to the party needs. If they need DPS, I'll throw blade barrier and run mobs through. If they need buffs, I'll buff. If they need heals, I'll heal. If they need nothing, I'll pike and then leave the party. If each character is self-sufficient and they have DPS/heals/buffs, I won't try to add to that. I'm not going to adjust my character to be able to compete with I-can-do-it-all characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicMew View Post
    I notice that you prefer to associate certain professions and roles with specific genders based on stereotypes. Just to inform you, but that is sexist. You can thank me for informing you of this. Well, go ahead I'm waiting.
    Really, that's what you took from that. It wasn't supposed to be a statement on political correctness.

    But as you seem blinkered, I'll just point out. A lot of roles are gender associated like it or not. Its not being sexist its just a fact. (FBI profiles most serial killers to most likely be middle aged white men, so i suppose you'll say they're being sexist and racist) Oh and by the way you conveniently over looked the "service men and women" when most are men.

    So, be sure to let me know how the operation to remove your head from your ... goes won't ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalont View Post
    EE content in DDO that a divine can't solo: Lots
    Name them

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    TLR

    I say thanks when they do good a job and when they don't i try to say nothing. It's the internet ignorant ***** grow on trees. Get over it.
    If real life had a block function i would probably go out more.

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