if someone stalks you (real life or a game), you first ignore the person, then tell him/her to stop following you and get a litany of vulgarisms directed at you in return,
you would still feel comfortable and not willing to defend yourself? would you still be wondering 'gee, maybe i should tell him to f&%k off but what if it gets to him?'
yes, telling someone to kill himself is not pleasant, nor is it in good taste.
but it does not constitute bullying, when you do it to make someone go away. and besides bullying is a chronic activity, not a single sentence.
as for teenage suicide, again, no one is responsible for checking age or mental health of every other single person when they decide to talk to that person in-game.
if you are referring to teens who kill themselves not becuase of long term internet abuse, but because of a sudden one sentence in a video game, then they might as well kill themselves because
someone on the street said to them something unpleasant.
You seem to put the blame on the trigger, not on the source.
I agree that constant long-term bullying may lead to suicide, but if someone kills himself because of a singular incident mild incident that he himself caused, then
his mental health already doomed him, with or without you.
also you should not assume I don't know anything about the subject. simply because you dont know what I know.
but overall good talk
Have to say that this thread actually turned out to be the most life affirming I've seen on the forum for some time.
There I jinxed it.
What is defined as bullying seems to be the question. Is it everything that is said that can be seen as negative, or systematic tormenting.
If the being told to drop dead (in this case at least) is the final straw that pushes the poor guy over the edge, he was looking for it by insulting people. Now, im not saying that being told to drop dead is a nice thing to do, but i DO believe in even scales.
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Delera Graveyard is a public place. Everyone can move freely there, and also if you apparently do not like people near your group around, you just have to accept it. Instead of trolling other players (I do not have the smallest sympathy for this attitude) you should suggest in forums to implement private instances for Mabar if this is your wish.
And finally, killstealing is a myth.
so, You cannot foresee the triggers.
judging 'go kill yourself' is fairly easy, because it includes some offensive qualities. but we have no idea what kind of triggers mental illnesses bring.
how about someone with schizophrenia who is certain that people using the word 'lovely' are agents sent by martians and want to 'get' him.
You use that word in a conversation, he gets frightened, runs away and dies in a car accident.
my point is, there is no way to predict and prevent these triggers from happening. no one can control himself in a way that would not bring any harm to other people.
and lets bring the bullying definition in here:
Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively to impose domination over others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power. Behaviors used to assert such domination can include verbal harassment or threat, physical assault or coercion, and such acts may be directed repeatedly towards particular targets.
so, looking at the definition, we can see that 'go kill yourself' said by a player to get rid of a stalker, does not impose domination. nor would it be habitual. it would not have essential prerequisite of social or physical imbalance. It would not be a threat (contrasting with for instance 'I will kill you you moron'), nor would it be a coercion, and it would stop the moment that person left. and it would not begin in the first place if the stalker wasn't stalking
it would just be very rude and distasteful.
I do not condone bullying, but to me this case is clearly not bullying. the trigger is too random and a one-time-event.
I guess we reached an impass. we will not convince each other.
lets just acknowledge different points of view, and lets not crucify OP for this thread
cheers to all
Just an aside, "kill stealing" in Mabar only helps you. The item drop mechanic is to grant drops to random members in the agroing party, not "Kill Stealers".
I think the mechanic works more or less as follows. First the amount of groups which contributed towards the kill are counted. Each group gets an equal share of the reward, which is then divided among the players of the group. Hence, with a 12 man group and a soloer, the soloer gets 12 times the as high a reward as a person in the group. However, he will not be able to target all mobs so his reward in total will be a bit lower than that. (Probably it's not exactly like this, but at least it works somewhat like this and it is skewed towards the soloer)
The rewards should work as follows: first determine the amount of groups that have contributed towards the kill. Add up the players in the groups that were close enough to the kill. Divide the reward evenly among these players. That would be fair and promote grouping.
Last edited by Forzah; 09-25-2013 at 04:09 AM.
The notion that a raid party has exclusive access to a public instance is pretty dumb. The soloer had every right to be there.
If the soloer interacted with the group in a manner that defies community guidelines, that's what GM's are for. If the person was following you through multiple instances, that might qualify. That's pretty shaky ground though to stand on.
Mabar has been around for awhile now. And the tendency of some players running solo near a large group generating spawns isn't worthy of them killing themself. Some in fact would call this a sound strategy. More spawns, more mats. For the large group, *and* for the non grouped players sharing the same PUBLIC instance.
If you don't like that, get over it. Been that way for years. Perhaps Turbine will change that one day to quell complaints. I doubt it though...
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If killStealer was a scumbag, then you have a right to send him a tell of whatever you want. That's between you and him. I believe you crossed the line when you told others to send him tells. I wouldn't call that cyber bullying if Scumbag killstealer started it, but I would label it as trying to be manipulative, trying to get other people on your side.. That is just me however. Its not something i think highly of.
It is a joke, which is totally understandable, I think it may have crossed the line with telling others to send tells..
And specifically telling other ppl to tell him to kill himself. If you told ppl to send him tells of 'Leave us alone' That is OK.
You telling him to Kill himself = OK
You telling others to 'Leave us alone' = OK
You telling others to tell him to kill himself = Not OK
My personal rule its simple
never digit an offense in internet games...never.
(well some wellknown guildmates can be exceptions..just for a laugh)
Americans are such female cats.
A kid is annoying a group of 12 people, even after being told to stop.
He deserves to have a little text message on his screen telling him to **** ***.
The need of the many outweighs the need of the one.
I don't get it.
If someone was griefing me, and I told them to, say, go jump of a bridge and they did, then yay, I got rid of the griefer, what's the big deal?
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