Khyber: Aggrim (Completionist!)
In Von 3 the breakables in the Troll Ambassador optional room are slow to get to and unnecessary for ransack.
Blind insta-kills floating eye balls.
Re: suicide jokes that specifically target certain individuals - not jokes in good taste. They rank with cancer jokes (and other diseases), pedophile jokes and drunk driving involving death jokes. Leave them to professional comedians.
Depression is an invisible disease that, if you've never suffered it, you just don't understand. Normal people cannot get why people like me are, at certain points in our lives, unable to overcome our deep emotional pain - that, for me, comes for no reason that I can identify. It's just a chemical screw up in my brain (I'm sure other depressives have serious life issues and real reasons to be depressed, and maybe I do, too, but my own depression doesn't make logical sense to me. I can't work through it, I can't think through it).
Am I going to kill myself because some internet person sends me a nasty tell? No. People I don't know just don't affect me that way. I can't speak for anyone else, though.
But you have to ask yourself: is that who you want to be? Do you want to be a person who actively makes the world worse for others? Because "go kill yourself" sends a clear message that you aren't a person who is interested in kindness or empathy. Yet these are traits worth cultivating - they add to grace and poise, and a mature person they make.
I disagree with all the flack you have taken on this thread. I think you're brave for asking others their opinions on these issues. I see you as asking for help in working through issues that are difficult for you - so, well done. I hope you consider the posts you've received and evaluate how you have acted in the past and will act in the future, and what kind of person you want to be.
Last edited by Singular; 09-25-2013 at 01:13 AM.
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I was not trying to punish anyone, I was actually surprised she saw the thread. As for the trolls I can just ignore them and only keep meaningful responses like yours. Your input made me rething the reason I posted and I think you might be right on the fact that posting on the forums was perhaps a hasty decision. However I learned quite a few things for both the game and rl from the replies, so I can't say i regret posting it.
What you just illustrated and the examples the other 2 forumites presented really made me rethink the way I acted. Even though I thought no one was hurt, someone might have taken the joke literally and actually harm another person, or someone in the group might have psychological problems himself and get unessarily hurt over crude humor. And even if none of those were true I was cultivating a general negativity. Thanks for all your insight.
My guess is that you've been lucky enough in life (so far) not to have been exposed to much in the way of depression in yourself or those you love. That you've not yet been to funerals of friends and watched their parents bury their child. It's fairly sobering. While I'm a huge advocate for humour for everything even in the worst of situations, timing and appropriateness is key.
Thank you for your advice.
There are some things I will joke about with certain people that I would never joke about with others..........like my parents, old people, elders whatever, my mates my own age are the ones I would most likely cover the widest range of joke material with. You never know what might turn out to be a Faux pas.
Last edited by NaturalHazard; 09-25-2013 at 01:50 AM.
who are you to say what is weak and what is strong?
so by your reasoning - 9/11 was ok? because, thats not statistically significant.
The green killer is actually good then because he is helping to weed out the weak, right?
or what about, o say, the holocaust? that should be significant right.....
I mean, ya technically you are right, but you are also wrong. You have to look at the big picture man. what if in the messed up brain of one of those suicides you write off is a cure for cancer? or the father of someone who will bring world peace (yes long shot, but gimmie a break!)
i guess what im saying is that you have the right to say what you want to say and do what you want to do, but im glad i have the right to not deal with you.
On topic: The "joke" wasn't funny. The assumption that "it takes a lot blah blah" is unfounded, since you don't know anything about that person. The problem with your petty little philosophy is that you don't know if the straw you throw onto his/her back is the one that breaks it or not. I don't go out of my way to be PC, in fact, the general consensus around here is that I'm something of a ****, but that's the way I am to somebody's face. Online, what's the point? I'm already stressed out from all the people I didn't choke the **** out of, even though they desperately needed it. There's no sense in letting somebody else's immature behavior drive me to immaturity.
You know what I find really funny about some people who get all ZOMG!!! SO SICK OF THIS PC BS!!!!!!!!! Is when something offends them and they complain bitterly about it, then I say hey wait a minute you where just complaining about other people complaining about people not respecting *their* values but its ok for you to complain about people not respecting yours? Man then it goes round and round is circles.....so what your really saying is your values are the only ones that matter?...........I get a yes/no your going off the subject. Sorry I know it probably doesn't apply to the people posting here but iv'e come across a bit of it in RL and these people pretty much feel they have a right to say and do whatever they want and if other people get offended well those people are wrong, or too sensitive, but at the same time they expect to be treated with the outmost respect and for *everyone* they come across to immediately know their values/customs automatically, and they are often the worst for sulking, bit**ing about this and that, people being rude or different.
Yes I know too much PC can be annoying especially when its just for the sake of being PC, but PC really should be a two way street.
By go kill yourself you mean type /death?
1. lets say the whole group ignored the 'stalker'. the stalker turns out to be depressive and kills himself because no one accepted him into the party or talked to him
2. lets say you meet a woman in real life and really like her hair. You complement how lovely her hair is. Turns out she had cancer, chemotherapy and wears a wig.
She starts crying, rips off her wig goes home and kills herself.
3 suppose there is a teenage boy who kills his whole family because his mother interrupted him playing GTA, and everyone blames video game creators.
I do not see anything wrong with what Xaris wanted to do. in his case the 'stalker' was the bully and the party being bullied aka the victim.
it is natural and understandable to want to defend oneself. even if the joke is crude inappropriate and I wouldn't use it.
my bottom line would be, there is no way to foresee every possible offensive situation. there are too many possible interactions and factors.
even if You decide you do not want to offend anyone anymore and choose to not speak again, you may offend someone who found your silence offensive.
putting blame on other people is silly.
teenage suicide and internet bullying is not relevant here.
Xaris' suggestion would not be bullying, the stalker was the bully, and you are not responsible for lack of maturity or mental health of others.
at least this is what I believe.
having said that, the only things you shouldnt say are things that break DDO chat rules or break the teamleader's rules IF he/she states any and You dont want to be kicked out.
other than that, its fair game to me
Last edited by shirochan57; 09-25-2013 at 03:34 AM.
It's nice how most people here jumped on the white horse saying "Yo, telling people to suicide is bad and you should feel bad, monster", just reading it made me feel bad for the OP... You are applying on him the same pressure he wanted to apply on that person, in a different way, with different words, but the same bad atmosphere pushing him into a corner. (And it's the feeling of being pushed into a corner by events that makes people sucidde, not the words "Go suicide")
There are different ways to jump on the white horse, you can do it like a ****** or in a proper manner. What some of you are doing here is the same thing he wanted to do with that guy, the only difference is that in the end he did nothing but thinking about it.
Last edited by Melt-emi; 09-25-2013 at 03:38 AM. Reason: added part between (...)
better to jump on the red one, that way youre honest about it.
Dystopia = utopia achieved
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