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    Default [Build Request] Fighter8/Ranger6/Monk6 Khopesh Centered TWF

    I am looking for an optimized build path for this setup, and a bit of explanation of playstyle, as I'm not too familiar with monk.
    I've leveled this character to 17 already, and this is his first life. I'd like to TR him at some point, and build more smoothly because the first time around his skill points are a mess and I wasnt sure what feats I needed when.
    Help me work out the finer details?

    He will TR with a supreme +4 tome and past life fighter.

    Kensai/Tempest/Ninja is the idea as I understand it

    If a different split would prove beneficial I am open to suggestions but I've done a little research and 8/6/6 is pretty convincing
    8Fgt for 1/wBlade (greater weapon focus)
    6Rng for free feats, including multishot and itwf, skill points and dual wield enh
    6Mon for ... well all i can think of is evasion, incorp and master earth stance. Like I said, unclear here how to use monk

    I'm confused about how many enhancement points I should use for things like str and crit confirmation
    I understand Khopesh and bastard sword both have their uses, so I use a feat for both and focus heavy blades in kensai

    That's all I can think of at the moment, any constructive input is appreciated!

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    I found a build to model after and this is what I came up with.
    Any Input would be appreciated

    1 Ranger
    2 Fighter
    3 Monk
    4 Monk
    5 Fighter
    6 Monk
    7 Ranger
    8 Ranger
    9 Ranger
    10 Fighter
    11 Ranger
    12 Ranger
    13 Fighter
    14 Fighter
    15 Monk
    16 Monk
    17 Monk
    18 Fighter
    19 Fighter
    20 Fighter

    Ranger 2: Rapidshot, TWF
    Ranger 6: Manyshot, ITWF
    Monk 6: Adept of Forms

    1H: EWP:Khopesh
    1: WF: Slashing
    2F: Point Blank Shot
    3M: Power Attack
    3: Cleave
    4M: Dodge
    5F: Great Cleave
    6: Stunning Blow
    9:IC: Slashing
    12: EWP:Bastard Sword (Tomes haven't covered ability score deficit yet)
    13F: WS:Slashing
    15: GTWF
    17M: Zen Archery
    18: Master of Forms
    18F: ((Mobility?))
    20F: GWF: Slashing
    21: Overwhelming Critical
    24: Grandmaster of Forms
    27: ((Blinding Speed?))

    27 Concentration
    24 Heal
    28 Jump
    23 Move Silently
    15 Swim
    1 Tumble
    12 UMD

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    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (8 Fighter \ 6 Monk \ 6 Ranger) 
    Hit Points: 276
    Spell Points: 65 
    BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
    Fortitude: 20
    Reflex: 15
    Will: 10
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             18                    27
    Dexterity            13                    17
    Constitution         14                    18
    Intelligence         14                    18
    Wisdom                9                    13
    Charisma              8                    12
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               3                    26
    Bluff                -1                     1
    Concentration         6                    27
    Diplomacy            -1                     1
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle               -1                     1
    Heal                  3                    24
    Hide                  1                     3
    Intimidate           -1                     1
    Jump                  8                    28
    Listen               -1                     1
    Move Silently         5                    23
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair                2                     4
    Search                6                     8
    Spot                  3                     5
    Swim                  6                    15
    Tumble                2                     4
    Use Magic Device      1                    12.5
    
    Level 1 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot
    
    
    Level 3 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 4 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
    
    
    Level 5 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 6 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
    Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
    
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 8 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 9 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 11 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    
    
    Level 12 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword
    
    
    Level 13 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 14 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 15 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 17 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
    Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    
    Level 21
    Feat: Overwhelming Critical
    
    Level 24
    Feat: Grandmaster of Forms
    
    Level 27
    Feat: Blinding Speed
    I got Bastard Sword for Nightmare, and the ranged feats in the hopes that they would prove to be low-hanging fruit
    If not, are the dodge% feats worth it? Oversized TWF?
    Last edited by Scawn; 09-23-2013 at 06:56 PM.

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    I don't think Oversized TWF is worth it. Other than that, it looks pretty good.

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    I might try to frontload ranger a little more; getting TWF at 7 and ITWF at 12 seems a little late.

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    Thank you for your replies

    No OTWF then, check.

    Yeah, I straight ripped the leveling order off the old saint pick build with no consideration for reasoning.
    I think it becomes a matter of skill point allocation in this build, and it might have had something to do with feats in the other
    What with the acquisition of key components at each of the final levels of three classes, something is always going to seem late
    If I could just r6 (ITWF)>f8 (SWF)>m6 (Stances) I think I would be happiest, but I dont think it works best that way. Something to play with now that I have something to compare to
    It is worth noting that the TWF comes from ranger enhancements at level 1

    I think I will try (the following) next:

    1 Ranger Khopesh, WF Slash ((Bow Strength)) (TWF Enhancement)
    2 Monk Power Attack
    3 Fighter Cleave, Point Blank
    4 Fighter Stunning Blow
    5 Ranger ((Rapid Shot, TWF))
    6 Ranger Great Cleave
    7 Ranger
    8 Ranger
    9 Ranger IC: Slashing, ((ITWF))
    10 Fighter
    11 Fighter WS:S
    12 Monk Dodge, Mobility
    13 Monk
    14 Monk
    15 Monk GTWF
    16 Monk Zen Archery ((Adept of Forms))
    17 Fighter
    18 Fighter Master of Forms, EWP: Bastard Swords
    19 Fighter
    20 Fighter GWF: Slashing
    21: Overwhelming Critical
    24: Grandmaster of Forms
    27: ((Blinding Speed?))

    And see how the feats/skills end up
    I just hope having a low skill point class at the end doesnt ruin things.

    Thanks for the input!
    Last edited by Scawn; 09-24-2013 at 12:41 AM.

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    1 Ranger Khopesh, WF Slash ((Bow Strength)) (TWF Enhancement)
    2 Monk Power Attack
    3 Fighter Cleave, Point Blank
    4 Fighter Stunning Blow
    5 Ranger ((Rapid Shot, TWF))
    6 Ranger Great Cleave
    7 Ranger
    8 Ranger
    9 Ranger IC: Slashing, ((ITWF, Manyshot))
    10 Fighter
    11 Fighter WS:S
    12 Monk Dodge, Mobility
    13 Monk
    14 Monk
    15 Monk GTWF
    16 Monk Zen Archery ((Adept of Forms))
    17 Fighter
    18 Fighter Master of Forms, EWP: Bastard Swords
    19 Fighter
    20 Fighter GWF: Slashing
    21: Overwhelming Critical
    24: Grandmaster of Forms
    27: ((Blinding Speed?))

    26 Balance
    27 Concentration
    24 Heal
    25 Jump
    22 Move Silently
    20 Swim
    12 UMD
    Does the half point in UMD do anything, or can I put it in Swim?


    I feel like this build doesn't show up until level 20, but I can't see a different way to build it =/



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    Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
    (8 Fighter \ 6 Monk \ 6 Ranger) 
    Hit Points: 276
    Spell Points: 65 
    BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
    Fortitude: 20
    Reflex: 15
    Will: 10
    
                      Starting            Ending          
    Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats        
    (34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
    Strength             18                 27            
    Dexterity            13                 17            
    Constitution         14                 18            
    Intelligence         14                 18            
    Wisdom                9                 13            
    Charisma              8                 12            
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               3                    26
    Bluff                -1                     1
    Concentration         6                    27
    Diplomacy            -1                     1
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle               -1                     1
    Heal                  3                    24
    Hide                  1                     3
    Intimidate           -1                     1
    Jump                  8                    25
    Listen               -1                     1
    Move Silently         5                    22
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair                2                     4
    Search                6                     8
    Spot                  3                     5
    Swim                  6                    20
    Tumble                2                     6
    Use Magic Device      1                    12
    
    Level 1 (Ranger)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Concentration (+4)
    Skill: Heal (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Move Silently (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Swim (+2)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Automatic) Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
    Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
    Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
    Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
    Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
    Feat: (Automatic) Trip
    Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy
    
    
    Level 2 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+3)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
    Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
    Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
    Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
    Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
    Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
    Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
    
    
    Level 3 (Fighter)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot
    Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
    Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
    
    
    Level 4 (Fighter)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
    
    
    Level 5 (Ranger)
    Skill: Balance (+3)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
    Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 6 (Ranger)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+2)
    Skill: Swim (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    Feat: (Automatic) Diehard
    
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot
    
    
    Level 8 (Ranger)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus
    
    
    Level 9 (Ranger)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+3)
    Skill: Swim (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot
    
    
    Level 10 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 11 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+0.5)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 12 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility
    Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
    Feat: (Automatic) Meditation
    
    
    Level 13 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
    Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
    Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
    Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind
    
    
    Level 14 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+2)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
    Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall
    
    
    Level 15 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Swim (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
    Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body
    
    
    Level 16 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Move Silently (+1)
    Skill: Swim (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
    
    
    Level 17 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 18 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    Feat: (Selected) Acrobatic
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword
    
    
    Level 19 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
    
    
    Level 20 (Fighter)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Swim (+1)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
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    I have 2 questions.

    First, what are your priorities with this build? Are building primarily for endgame? Do you want to enjoy the leveling process as well? Is this just for a past life? If you're building for endgame, are building for EE or lower content? I've been toying with a similar build but how you build it really depends on your goals.

    Second, why go khopesh? If you're looking at endgame, Balizarde will out dps khopesh. With keen edge from kensai Balizarde has a base 13-20 x3 crit profile. With overwhelming crit and master earth stance x5 on 19-20 and x6 with devestating crit from legendary dreadnaught. Fists of iron makes it 12-20 x4 and up to x7 on 19-20. And if you're concerned only with EE content then Nightmare will blow them both out of the water. If you're not concerned with epic levels then khopesh is the better choice.
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    Red face khopesh

    I've been working on a similar build. Unfortunately I have TR'd or LR'd 4 Khopesh users out of their builds and into THF's. Khopesh's are NOT endgame. I have one Khopesh user left. He is on his 5th Life and I have tons of Khopeshes left. I HAVE to have at least one Khopesh user left in my stable. I will probably change him to a Bastard Sword user for EE content when I get him there if Khopeshes don't work as well as I like. Their DPS is still high, there are just better weapons for Endgame. Currently, I'm looking at:

    Human 8Ftr/6Rgr/6Mnk

    1. M. PA, Dodge, Cleave
    2. F. WF-Slashing
    3. R. Khopesh, FE-Undead
    4. M. Improved Sunder
    5. F. Great Cleave
    6. R. Stunning Blow
    7. R.
    8. F.
    9. R. IC: Slash
    10. M. Path Harm Light
    11. M.
    12. F. WS-Slash, PBS
    13. M.
    14. R. FE-Evil Outsider
    15. M. Ic-Ranged, Master of Forms
    16. R.
    17. F.
    18. F. GTWF, Zen Archery
    19. F.
    20. F. GWF-Slashing
    21. OWC
    24. Grand Master of Forms
    26. Tactician
    27. Epic DR
    28. PTWF
    Last edited by Battlehawke; 09-24-2013 at 02:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CThruTheEgo View Post
    I have 2 questions.

    First, what are your priorities with this build? Are building primarily for endgame? Do you want to enjoy the leveling process as well? Is this just for a past life? If you're building for endgame, are building for EE or lower content? I've been toying with a similar build but how you build it really depends on your goals.

    Second, why go khopesh? If you're looking at endgame, Balizarde will out dps khopesh. With keen edge from kensai Balizarde has a base 13-20 x3 crit profile. With overwhelming crit and master earth stance x5 on 19-20 and x6 with devestating crit from legendary dreadnaught. Fists of iron makes it 12-20 x4 and up to x7 on 19-20. And if you're concerned only with EE content then Nightmare will blow them both out of the water. If you're not concerned with epic levels then khopesh is the better choice.
    Well, I've wanted to make a khopesh build just to have made a khopesh build. Haven't done it before.
    I have BS in this build, so I am able to use nightmare, and if they blow both of out of the water, then it looks like my build is set as it is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Battlehawke View Post
    Human 8Ftr/6Rgr/6Mnk

    4. M. Improved Sunder
    12. F. IC-Ranged
    26. Tactician
    28. PTWF
    Could you explain Imp Sunder and Tactician to me?
    Is PTWF coming in the next patch? What does it do?

    http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destiny_Feats
    OIC. So I just take PTWF and Tactician or Firstblood at 26 and 28?
    Do you still get epic feats at 24 and 27?
    What is the priority on sundering them down to stunnable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TiberiusofTyr View Post
    Tier 5 enhancements require level 12 now
    Source on this? U20 resource?

    So F12/M6/R2
    and use the bonus feats for ITWF and Manyshot?
    Ah that's too bad though, I liked the tempest tree. Maybe somehow M2,R6? and get Forms feats the hard way? (never mind, need M6 for ninja)

    Edit: Ah ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiberiusofTyr View Post
    Tier 5 enhancements require level 12 now
    Tier 5 have always required character level 12, class level 5. Do you mean to say that changed in the pass to class level 12?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scawn View Post
    Could you explain Imp Sunder and Tactician to me?
    Is PTWF coming in the next patch? What does it do?

    http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destiny_Feats
    OIC. So I just take PTWF and Tactician or Firstblood at 26 and 28?
    Do you still get epic feats at 24 and 27?]
    1. Improved Sunder can lower Fortification Saves by up to -3 per shot and can stack up to -15 (5 times). Tactician adds +2 to your Tactics. Both of these effect your ability to land your Stunning Blows. You will need them in Epic Elite content if you are planning on any CC on this build.

    2. Tactician and Perfect Two Weapon Fighting are Feats based off of your Epic Destinies.

    3. Yes. You still get feats at 24 and 27. I missed one earlier. I plan on Epic DR at Level 27 for the extra 10 added PRR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiberiusofTyr View Post
    Tier 5 enhancements require level 12 now
    This new with 19.2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlehawke View Post
    This new with 19.2?
    Nope, it has always been this way.

    Note: "Level 12", not "12 levels in a class." A 5/5/2 build can take tier 5s from either of their two "primary" classes. (But not both.)

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    I'm working on a 8 fighter/ 6monk / 6 ranger build too. Probably go bastard swords later from Khopesh.

    Human. Took Monk then Ranger every other level so that at level 12 could take Master of Forms and have TWF,ITWF.
    16 Feats: PA. Cleave, Great Cleave, Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack, Toughness, IC Slashing, WF Slashing, WS Slashing, GWF Slashing, GTWF, EWP Khopesh or BS, Master of Forms, GM of Forms, Stunning Fist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    Nope, it has always been this way.

    Note: "Level 12", not "12 levels in a class." A 5/5/2 build can take tier 5s from either of their two "primary" classes. (But not both.)
    um. Ok. Well. To make this build work, you have to take tier 5 in the kensai tree which only requires 5 levels of ftr. No issues there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiberiusofTyr View Post
    Tier 5 enhancements require level 12 now
    I think people were confused by this statement which is incorrect.

    You can however take tier 5 enhancements from ONLY ONE tree. It locks out all tier 5 enhancements from other trees when you do.

    Unless you are referring to CORE enhancements which is another story and does require level 12 of a class. But that is not needed to make this build work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlehawke View Post
    um. Ok. Well. To make this build work, you have to take tier 5 in the kensai tree which only requires 5 levels of ftr. No issues there....
    Unfortunately, no; while the 5th tier is unlocked at class level 5, One with the Blade has Greater Weapon Focus as a prereq, which requires fighter level 8.

    It was kind of a dirty trick, if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elg582 View Post
    Unfortunately, no; while the 5th tier is unlocked at class level 5, One with the Blade has Greater Weapon Focus as a prereq, which requires fighter level 8.

    It was kind of a dirty trick, if you ask me.
    ^yep

    Just like Divine Might from the Paladin KoC tree, which is tier 2 (Paladin 2) but requires Paladin 4 (Turn Undead) to power it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlehawke View Post
    I think people were confused by this statement which is incorrect.

    You can however take tier 5 enhancements from ONLY ONE tree. It locks out all tier 5 enhancements from other trees when you do.

    Unless you are referring to CORE enhancements which is another story and does require level 12 of a class. But that is not needed to make this build work.
    I was in error. I thought 12 in the class was required and I thought it was a stealth nerf after the update. Gladly I was wrong.

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