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    Question The classic evasio barb?

    Ok, so now I would like to TR my 2nd life monk into a barbarian for the barbarian past life. I have never played a barb before, and since my main is a cleric, I have come to hate barbs. No other class requires as much babysitting and is as much of a mana sponge as the barb. Because of that, I would like my barb to have evasion and be self healing. I've never built or played a barb before, so I can't claim to have clue of what I'm doing. I quickly threw together a build with the outdated planner, and here's my idea. If you have suggestions on a different multiclass, or different feats, etc, I'd gladly hear it.

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    Maidae 
    Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Female
    (18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 348
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 11
    Will: 6
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             18                    26
    Dexterity            12                    15
    Constitution         18                    21
    Intelligence          8                    11
    Wisdom                8                    11
    Charisma              8                    11
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               5                    25
    Bluff                -1                     0
    Concentration         6                     9
    Diplomacy            -1                     0
    Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
    Haggle               -1                     0
    Heal                 -1                     0
    Hide                  1                     2
    Intimidate            3                     7
    Jump                  8                    26
    Listen                3                     4
    Move Silently         1                     2
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair               -1                     0
    Search               -1                     0
    Spot                  3                     4
    Swim                  4                     8
    Tumble                2                     3
    Use Magic Device      3                    23
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Listen (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 2 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 3 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 4 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 5 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 6 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 7 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
    
    
    Level 8 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Intimidate (+3)
    Skill: Jump (+2)
    
    
    Level 9 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 11 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 12 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 14 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 15 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 16 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 17 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Hamstring
    
    
    Level 19 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 20 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Thank you.

    P.S. Even though I want the barb life for PL, I will most likely flag her for CitW and FoT before TR.
    Last edited by Micki; 09-20-2013 at 02:28 AM. Reason: Changed her from Male to Female in the build plan. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micki View Post
    Ok, so now I would like to TR my 2nd life monk into a barbarian for the barbarian past life. I have never played a barb before, and since my main is a cleric, I have come to hate barbs. No other class requires as much babysitting and is as much of a mana sponge as the barb. Because of that, I would like my barb to have evasion and be self healing. I've never built or played a barb before, so I can't claim to have clue of what I'm doing. I quickly threw together a build with the outdated planner, and here's my idea. If you have suggestions on a different multiclass, or different feats, etc, I'd gladly hear it.

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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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    Maidae 
    Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
    (18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 348
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 11
    Will: 6
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             18                    26
    Dexterity            12                    15
    Constitution         18                    21
    Intelligence          8                    11
    Wisdom                8                    11
    Charisma              8                    11
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               5                    25
    Bluff                -1                     0
    Concentration         6                     9
    Diplomacy            -1                     0
    Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
    Haggle               -1                     0
    Heal                 -1                     0
    Hide                  1                     2
    Intimidate            3                     7
    Jump                  8                    26
    Listen                3                     4
    Move Silently         1                     2
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair               -1                     0
    Search               -1                     0
    Spot                  3                     4
    Swim                  4                     8
    Tumble                2                     3
    Use Magic Device      3                    23
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Listen (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 2 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 3 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 4 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 5 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 6 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 7 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
    
    
    Level 8 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Intimidate (+3)
    Skill: Jump (+2)
    
    
    Level 9 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 11 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 12 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 14 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 15 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 16 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 17 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Hamstring
    
    
    Level 19 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 20 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Thank you.

    P.S. Even though I want the barb life for PL, I will most likely flag her for CitW and FoT before TR.
    I am just finishing a Barbarian life with a very similar build, only I opted for trapping skills instead of UMD. If I had to do it again, I would probably go the UMD route too. Please share your experiences with this as you move forward .

    There are two things with your feat selection I would do differently. First and foremost I would move up Improved Critical. Level 15 is very late, and Imp. Crit. really does a lot for your damage output. I would probably take it at lvl 9 and move the THF feats down.
    Second thing is Hamstring. I think Imp Trip or Stunning Blow would do more for you, but that is more of a preference thing I guess .

    Regarding gearing, you have to be very watchful of your defenses. You can maintain a reasonable ref-save, but it will take some work. The new Riposte VIII bracers at lvl 15 made a world of difference to me. Try to keep blurry and updated dodge items, and you should be alright. At some point you might be getting better defenses overall by swapping from light to cloth armor, to get your dodge up.

    I had a ton of fun with mine, and I am sure you will with yours too . Enjoy!

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    You could always go 9 barbarian / 9 arty / 2 rogue and use repeaters and good umd. This was the easiest self healing barb life I ever did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xMund View Post
    I am just finishing a Barbarian life with a very similar build, only I opted for trapping skills instead of UMD. If I had to do it again, I would probably go the UMD route too. Please share your experiences with this as you move forward .

    There are two things with your feat selection I would do differently. First and foremost I would move up Improved Critical. Level 15 is very late, and Imp. Crit. really does a lot for your damage output. I would probably take it at lvl 9 and move the THF feats down.
    Second thing is Hamstring. I think Imp Trip or Stunning Blow would do more for you, but that is more of a preference thing I guess .

    Regarding gearing, you have to be very watchful of your defenses. You can maintain a reasonable ref-save, but it will take some work. The new Riposte VIII bracers at lvl 15 made a world of difference to me. Try to keep blurry and updated dodge items, and you should be alright. At some point you might be getting better defenses overall by swapping from light to cloth armor, to get your dodge up.

    I had a ton of fun with mine, and I am sure you will with yours too . Enjoy!
    thank you for your advice. I will have another look at my build and feat selections. And yes, I think getting my ref save high enough to matter will be a bit tricky maybe.

    On the blur thing, my toon has perma blur on her gs hp goggles. I also have the mabar cloak lvl 4, 12 and 16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jskinner937 View Post
    You could always go 9 barbarian / 9 arty / 2 rogue and use repeaters and good umd. This was the easiest self healing barb life I ever did.
    I will keep that in mind. I've yet to play a bow/ crossbow toon as well. (basically I enjoy end game a lot, so I don't TR much). I don't think I want to do that with my 1st barb, though. But it's an idea.
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    with ur 2 int & cha tome

    dump whatever, raise int and cha to 14, this way u'll be always maxing search and disable device (and have a higher chance with cha skills,umd mostly)

    from 7 and further put the 0,5 skill points in UMD

    take 2nd rogue lvl at lvl 13, put lots a points in UMD (after the 1 in search and dd) this way ur search and disable will be at 17, and UMD at 16,5

    get some +6 cha item, and 2 items 1 with some equipment bonus to cha skills/umd and other with some enhancement bonus to cha/umd skills and from 13 and further will have almost no fail on heal scrolls

    that is much more useful than having evade at 7 or a bit more str/con base

    btw 18 barb-2 rogue > 9-9-2 whatever unless u go wf and use spells, only via survivability-thanks-to-spells u would compensate the loss of dps (however the life will take much more to finish than the brute way)

    if you're worried about the traps in von5 don't worry, i use to skip it every life, not gonna sit waiting for hours to get 50k when in same time can get more

    to push ur reflex get a parasitic breastplate and craft uncanny awareness on it, don't waste points/feats on reflex/dex, u have uncanny dodge and gh to push ur reflex (however the 2 rogue's aren't for evade mainly, are for the skills) out of reflex you'll only get ac from dex
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    Quote Originally Posted by psykopeta View Post
    with ur 2 int & cha tome

    dump whatever, raise int and cha to 14, this way u'll be always maxing search and disable device (and have a higher chance with cha skills,umd mostly)

    from 7 and further put the 0,5 skill points in UMD

    take 2nd rogue lvl at lvl 13, put lots a points in UMD (after the 1 in search and dd) this way ur search and disable will be at 17, and UMD at 16,5

    get some +6 cha item, and 2 items 1 with some equipment bonus to cha skills/umd and other with some enhancement bonus to cha/umd skills and from 13 and further will have almost no fail on heal scrolls

    that is much more useful than having evade at 7 or a bit more str/con base

    btw 18 barb-2 rogue > 9-9-2 whatever unless u go wf and use spells, only via survivability-thanks-to-spells u would compensate the loss of dps (however the life will take much more to finish than the brute way)

    if you're worried about the traps in von5 don't worry, i use to skip it every life, not gonna sit waiting for hours to get 50k when in same time can get more

    to push ur reflex get a parasitic breastplate and craft uncanny awareness on it, don't waste points/feats on reflex/dex, u have uncanny dodge and gh to push ur reflex (however the 2 rogue's aren't for evade mainly, are for the skills) out of reflex you'll only get ac from dex

    Than you for your reply. I think you're missing what kind of toon I'm trying to build. I want:
    1. dps
    2. survivability and self healing.

    I don't plan to do traps at all, if you look at my build plan you see that I didn't put any skill points in dd or search. I have a trapper wizard that I do traps with, this guy is just gonna be dps, not traps. And von5? I don't usually run von5 til epic level, for a lovely first time bonus.

    Also, I may note that I hate soloing. I either join lfm's, friends, or put up my own lfm. I will starts solo, as I don't like waiting either, but usually someone joins me before I finish.
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    Ok, rearranged the feats a bit, sticking to my first idea of 18str-12dex-18con human

    As I understand it, umd for healing will be less valuable on the higher levels when you will be raged all the time. But, it's still usable for self buffing etc.

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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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    Maidae 
    Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Female
    (18 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 348
    Spell Points: 0 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 11
    Will: 6
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             18                    25
    Dexterity            12                    14
    Constitution         18                    20
    Intelligence          8                    10
    Wisdom                8                    10
    Charisma              8                    10
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               5                    25
    Bluff                -1                     0
    Concentration         6                    10
    Diplomacy            -1                     0
    Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
    Haggle               -1                     0
    Heal                 -1                     0
    Hide                  1                     2
    Intimidate            3                     4
    Jump                  8                    24
    Listen                3                     4
    Move Silently         1                     2
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair               -1                     0
    Search                2                     3
    Spot                  3                     4
    Swim                  4                     7
    Tumble                2                     3
    Use Magic Device      3                    23
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Intimidate (+4)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Listen (+4)
    Skill: Search (+3)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 2 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 3 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 4 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 5 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 6 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 7 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 8 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+3)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
    
    
    Level 10 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 11 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 12 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 14 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 15 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
    
    
    Level 16 (Barbarian)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 17 (Barbarian)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micki View Post
    Ok, rearranged the feats a bit, sticking to my first idea of 18str-12dex-18con human
    Evasion with a low reflex save is worthless.

    You need to give up some CON for some DEX, and get yourself a Greater Heroism clickable (Planar Gird) or GH scrolls to make sure you always have that +4 to saves.

    Improved Uncanny Dodge will help a lot when you're running through traps, and make sure you hit it if you walk into a room with 5 casters staring at you.

    Stunning Blow and Trip are a good way to mitigate damage too... Get a paralyzing weapon as well.
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    I wonder if people confuse mana sponge with healing up. Barb is a great class if you look beyond the damage you do to yourself and see how a DPS barb can dish out a ton of damage. Using frenzy and death frenzy is +6 to str, so as long as DPS is > than heals, its a good trade off. Front melee will take damage and usually the brunt of the damage. There are ways to decrease you taking damage, but you would have to rely on clickies, pots, caster buffs, evasion or *gulp investing in umd. The problem with umd and barbs is that you can't be raged to use it. Rage is what separates barbs from other melee classes and, depending on your investment, increases your dps and hp. You only get so many rages depending on investment and they last "x" time depending on con and investment. I personally don't waste the points on it and instead learned to play smarter and learned to take care of my own healing with just pots. You do come across some players that won't heal you because of all the frenzying and taking damage from mobs, so you learn to be self sufficient and realize that those players really don't know much about barb dps. There are of course some that have trouble with this and give barbs a bad rep, but that just means they aren't very good at playing a barb.

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    Another option is to just use normal frenzy most of the time and save death frenzy for bosses.
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    I'm working on a halfling Bbn 18/Rog 2 build right. Taking the TWF chain with PA/Cleave/GC and Imp Crit. Going to max Dex and save enhancement bonuses along with a good chunk of Occult Slayer. All points into Strength but shouldn't be too hard to hit 30 Dex, give or take tomes. Not the most DPS but should improve survivability and the more ability to deal with casters.

    I won't do traps but I'll max UMD and I put a few points into Open Locks just for lulz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    I wonder if people confuse mana sponge with healing up. Barb is a great class if you look beyond the damage you do to yourself and see how a DPS barb can dish out a ton of damage.
    I have been playing my cleric for 2 years. In those 2 years, I've only seen a handful barbs that were doing more dps than they were taking or low and behold, didn't need babysitting to not die. And a toon that needs constant healing to not die, is a mana sponge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    Evasion with a low reflex save is worthless.
    Yes, I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    You need to give up some CON for some DEX, and get yourself a Greater Heroism clickable (Planar Gird) or GH scrolls to make sure you always have that +4 to saves.

    Improved Uncanny Dodge will help a lot when you're running through traps, and make sure you hit it if you walk into a room with 5 casters staring at you.

    Stunning Blow and Trip are a good way to mitigate damage too... Get a paralyzing weapon as well.
    Yup, gh scrolls is a reson I want umd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micki View Post
    Yes, I know.



    Yup, gh scrolls is a reson I want umd.

    Sorry didn't have a lot of time earlier, but this is something similar to what I did on my barbarian lives and I think it fits ideally with what you want to do...Great reflex and evasion, great DPS (all ranged) with xbow, endless fuselage and manyshot when off timer, self healing and best of all +10HP each life

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    Arb 
    Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
    (9 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue \ 9 Artificer) 
    Hit Points: 316
    Spell Points: 504 
    BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
    Fortitude: 14
    Reflex: 17
    Will: 8
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             10                    13
    Dexterity            14                    17
    Constitution         18                    21
    Intelligence         18                    26
    Wisdom                6                     9
    Charisma              8                    11
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    
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    Bluff                 2                     3
    Concentration         6                    20
    Diplomacy            -1                     0
    Disable Device        8                    31
    Haggle               -1                     0
    Heal                 -2                    -1
    Hide                  6                     7
    Intimidate           -1                     0
    Jump                  4                    11
    Listen               -2                    -1
    Move Silently         6                     7
    Open Lock             6                    21
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair                8                    31
    Search                8                    31
    Spot                  2                    22
    Swim                  0                     1
    Tumble                3                     4
    Use Magic Device      3                    23
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Artificer)
    
    
    Level 3 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
    
    
    Level 4 (Artificer)
    
    
    Level 5 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Maximize Spell
    
    
    Level 6 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    
    
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    Level 8 (Artificer)
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
    
    
    Level 10 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot
    
    
    Level 11 (Artificer)
    
    
    Level 12 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 14 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 15 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
    
    
    Level 16 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 17 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 18 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Precision
    
    
    Level 19 (Barbarian)
    
    
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    Quote Originally Posted by jskinner937 View Post
    Sorry didn't have a lot of time earlier, but this is something similar to what I did on my barbarian lives and I think it fits ideally with what you want to do...Great reflex and evasion, great DPS (all ranged) with xbow, endless fuselage and manyshot when off timer, self healing and best of all +10HP each life

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    Arb 
    Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
    (9 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue \ 9 Artificer) 
    Hit Points: 316
    Spell Points: 504 
    BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
    Fortitude: 14
    Reflex: 17
    Will: 8
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             10                    13
    Dexterity            14                    17
    Constitution         18                    21
    Intelligence         18                    26
    Wisdom                6                     9
    Charisma              8                    11
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
    +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
    +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
    
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                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               6                    17
    Bluff                 2                     3
    Concentration         6                    20
    Diplomacy            -1                     0
    Disable Device        8                    31
    Haggle               -1                     0
    Heal                 -2                    -1
    Hide                  6                     7
    Intimidate           -1                     0
    Jump                  4                    11
    Listen               -2                    -1
    Move Silently         6                     7
    Open Lock             6                    21
    Perform              n/a                    n/a
    Repair                8                    31
    Search                8                    31
    Spot                  2                    22
    Swim                  0                     1
    Tumble                3                     4
    Use Magic Device      3                    23
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 2 (Artificer)
    
    
    Level 3 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
    
    
    Level 4 (Artificer)
    
    
    Level 5 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Maximize Spell
    
    
    Level 6 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    
    
    Level 7 (Artificer)
    
    
    Level 8 (Artificer)
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
    
    
    Level 10 (Artificer)
    Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot
    
    
    Level 11 (Artificer)
    
    
    Level 12 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 14 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 15 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
    
    
    Level 16 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 17 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 18 (Barbarian)
    Feat: (Selected) Precision
    
    
    Level 19 (Barbarian)
    
    
    Level 20 (Barbarian)
    But, but, I wanted to smack things in the face? I was gonna make her a gs falchion to use during her barb and fighter lives. Tbh, I do have arti, but Ive been avoiding any kind of ranged like the plague. I will play ranged at some point, but do I want to do it now with this toon? You're also in even more unfamiliar terrotory now, I have no idea how to build a good ranged toon.

    Thank you for the build though, and Ill think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micki View Post
    I have come to hate barbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micki View Post
    Yup, gh scrolls is a reson I want umd.
    Granted, I have no idea how you want to spend your AP. But if I was doing a Human barb, I'd want the heal amp from the racial tree. And while you're up there, you might as well grab GH SLA. UMD is still nice, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micki View Post
    But, but, I wanted to smack things in the face? I was gonna make her a gs falchion to use during her barb and fighter lives. Tbh, I do have arti, but Ive been avoiding any kind of ranged like the plague. I will play ranged at some point, but do I want to do it now with this toon? You're also in even more unfamiliar terrotory now, I have no idea how to build a good ranged toon.

    Thank you for the build though, and Ill think about it.
    Depends on what you want to do, but if you want a DPS barb, you will sacrifice survivability and self healing as rage prevents scroll healing and spell casting. I have done barb lives on all my toons (21 total) and it just plain sucks unless you want to level handcuffed to a hireling. Dismissing rage to heal is a pain and a waste. If you want to go melee with that same build although, you can switch str and dex as str will only be your to hit since you will be using insightful damage. DPS will go down dramtically though and you will still have a tough time self healing.

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    the best thing about barb is that it is placed highest on the list of original classes when they are in alphabetical order. which means doing a 7 barb 7 whatever 6 something else build will still give a barb past life.

    so if you really dont want to play a barb you can do 7 arti 6 rogue mechanic repeater build and still get the barb pl, or 7 rogue 6 ranger helf AA, or 9 druid 2rogue 9 barb self healing melee

    even 9 sorc 2 fvs 9 barb shiradi MM spammer

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