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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghoulstorm View Post
    i got rejected from a CitW the other day for being a non~juggernaut artie. I guess I was double bad because I was told fleshy arties suck and he didnt want to carry my soulstone or have me sucking sp from the healers. Evidently he's never heard of umd or heal scrolls, but I just moved on. Saved me from a crappy run full of yelling at the healer and the lag blame game I'm sure.

    No worries it happens to me as a fleshy arty all the time. Truth be told I've saved lots of CiTW raids with my Heal and Res scrolls, and helped get rid of curses with my Remove Curse scrolls. I like to say to understand and arty, play an arty.

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    You are on the path to becoming a self-forged, augmenting yourself by replacing some of your weak flesh. You are still considered your original race (at this time), gaining 50% healing from Repair spells but suffering a -25% penalty to positive energy healing. In addition, you now take 50% damage from rust effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubbinns View Post
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    Also, your Banish DC is a joke.
    That did make me laugh.

    Yes, the guy got put on my "never group with" list. My toon was L16, 2 rogue splash. Running With Devils was the quest. L16-18s. Unless you take it really slow, you're not gonna insta-kill anything there.

    No this wasn't a thread about ed twisties. Those don't actually bother me. I don't use em, but i'm not complaining either. Eventually Turnbine will fix it if they want to. If they're still around on my next life, I'll probably be tempted to do a twistie. Ran with a guy who did the entire necro 2 chain in about 30 minutes. That was my intro to ed twists on heroic. Initially I was thinking "man, I must really suck (and maybe i do...)" but eventually it just didn't seem right how everything simply died around him. Great XP run tho.

    I've met a lot of really good folks pugging. I meet a lot of the underbelly too, but there's more decent folk than not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGardes View Post
    I wanted to join a group the other day and the leader asked me what my DCs were.

    Well, I'm a L14 Wizard, so I looked at the banish icon on my hotbar and said "44 for banish"

    To which the leader said "I've never heard of a DC for banish being under 52" and promptly rejected my join request.

    Seriously, a L14 Wizard is supposed to have a banish DC over 52? I'm guessing 52 was lame by his standards.

    I later ran with another wizard who's DCs were really high and asked how he got them.. turns out he achieved his by using several ED twists.

    So the new norm for being allowed into groups is to use "features" and have several past lives?

    On a somewhat related topic, it seems that every mob now has evasion, as well as really high saves. Oh, and for all of the "heroic levels are a joke" people, they aren't a joke if you're not a multi-TR, uber-geared, ED twister. Some are certainly harder than others, and I had to laugh when 4 twisties died in our group and the 2 non-twisties managed to complete.
    Just keep in mind (and feel free to send this in a tell, as I would), anyone looking for anything in heroic quests is obviously in over their heads and has no confidence in their abilities as a player. There may be the occasional LFG for heals only or trapper for non-self healing or if looking for a bonus. But as for me and most people who TR, it usually the 1st 5 people that hit the LFM if I am pugging.

    As many has mentioned already, he did you a favor and I would have definitely blacklisted that gimp so you know not to have him one of your LFMs or you don't accidentally hit one of his again. He may be looking ffor you to carry him through a quest.

    As a side note, I find that once you get to level 14+ quests, your DCs even on a 1st life toon should suffice as long as you max INT or CHA, take all available enhancements, maybe a feat or 2 and have an item. Spell penetration really starts to come into play at this point and that is where most casters start to see a drop beginning at these levels if they ignore it. So again chock another point up to the group leader being ignorant.

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    Default dc's in heroics... o_O

    i had no idea anyone even cared about dc's, spell pen, mana pool etc in heroic quests... let alone in the lvl 14 range.

    one of my tr toons im working on right now is in his wiz life (actually at level 14 lol xD) and my banish is only at a 40, i have no intel enhancements, only a +2 tome, no dc boosting items, no twisted cheese-factor, no caster pl's... and i could careless. infact i have no problems at all (then again im old school and have a habit of spamming crushing/hypno/waves etc before using finger and the like... so that helps i suppose.)... im kinda floored that anyone would care about dc's in heroics because all you need to succeed in those quests is firewall and some way to heal yourself(maybe the occasional haste to speed things along), the rest is icing on the cake.

    My advice, ignore the tool and feel sorry for anyone who has the misfortune of actually running quests with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghoulstorm View Post
    i got rejected from a CitW the other day for being a non~juggernaut artie. I guess I was double bad because I was told fleshy arties suck and he didnt want to carry my soulstone or have me sucking sp from the healers. Evidently he's never heard of umd or heal scrolls, but I just moved on. Saved me from a crappy run full of yelling at the healer and the lag blame game I'm sure.
    lol that makes me laugh it reminds me of the times I do a double take on my bard when I see any arti insisting I be his *healer* when I see arti I assume self healing unless hes in a tough spot, regardless of flesh or wf esp at the higher levels where umd is high enough for scrolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGardes View Post
    I wanted to join a group the other day and the leader asked me what my DCs were.

    Well, I'm a L14 Wizard, so I looked at the banish icon on my hotbar and said "44 for banish"

    To which the leader said "I've never heard of a DC for banish being under 52" and promptly rejected my join request.

    Seriously, a L14 Wizard is supposed to have a banish DC over 52? I'm guessing 52 was lame by his standards.

    I later ran with another wizard who's DCs were really high and asked how he got them.. turns out he achieved his by using several ED twists.

    So the new norm for being allowed into groups is to use "features" and have several past lives?

    On a somewhat related topic, it seems that every mob now has evasion, as well as really high saves. Oh, and for all of the "heroic levels are a joke" people, they aren't a joke if you're not a multi-TR, uber-geared, ED twister. Some are certainly harder than others, and I had to laugh when 4 twisties died in our group and the 2 non-twisties managed to complete.
    I don't care what the quest was. at level 14 asking casters what their DCs are for anything in that range is just dumb. theres no need for a specific DC when any class can get through those quests just as easily. he did you a favor really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGardes View Post
    I wanted to join a group the other day and the leader asked me what my DCs were.

    Well, I'm a L14 Wizard, so I looked at the banish icon on my hotbar and said "44 for banish"

    To which the leader said "I've never heard of a DC for banish being under 52" and promptly rejected my join request.

    Seriously, a L14 Wizard is supposed to have a banish DC over 52? I'm guessing 52 was lame by his standards.

    I later ran with another wizard who's DCs were really high and asked how he got them.. turns out he achieved his by using several ED twists.

    So the new norm for being allowed into groups is to use "features" and have several past lives?

    On a somewhat related topic, it seems that every mob now has evasion, as well as really high saves. Oh, and for all of the "heroic levels are a joke" people, they aren't a joke if you're not a multi-TR, uber-geared, ED twister. Some are certainly harder than others, and I had to laugh when 4 twisties died in our group and the 2 non-twisties managed to complete.

    You dodged a bullet. This person sounds like a very bad player. Worrying about DCs at level 14? This means he struggles to complete content and thinks others do as well. I'd just move on and not worry about it. This hardly ever happens. If someone would ask me any such question, while joining their pug, I'd laugh at them, pass their name around and never run with them again.

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    Sounds like they did you a favor.
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    You know what they say its best to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman, then always be batman.

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    If I join a group and someone starts asking me questions that I interpret to mean he is screening my abilities, I say "thx" and drop group.

    This game is not that hard.
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    ..., but I honestly think the solution is to group with less whiny people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghoulstorm View Post
    i got rejected from a CitW the other day for being a non~juggernaut artie. I guess I was double bad because I was told fleshy arties suck and he didnt want to carry my soulstone or have me sucking sp from the healers. Evidently he's never heard of umd or heal scrolls, but I just moved on. Saved me from a crappy run full of yelling at the healer and the lag blame game I'm sure.
    I cant begin to tell you how many times mainly on drow I have had to save similar classed warforged. Literally so many different players and different moments spring to mind I am nearly overwhelmed.

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    Being a stubborn muddy funster, I have played my xbow mech rogue since before here was a mech prestige ... .However, for the last coupla years, ranged has gone from 'so gimped I can't believe you did it' to 'omg why aren't u ranged?' ...
    As long as u are the RIGHT jugg/sith/monkcher build.
    My 500hp, decent dps mech has been rejected from pugs from his birth.... until ee gh. Now, suddenly a trappy rog with evasion & ee saves is needed. And i get random tells when i'm on. Wish I'd kept a complete list of all those saying rogs were no good for shroud runs way back when - the thought that I'm unlocking their loot for them now makes me feel a little grubby somehow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGardes View Post
    I wanted to join a group the other day and the leader asked me what my DCs were.

    Well, I'm a L14 Wizard, so I looked at the banish icon on my hotbar and said "44 for banish"

    To which the leader said "I've never heard of a DC for banish being under 52" and promptly rejected my join request.

    Seriously, a L14 Wizard is supposed to have a banish DC over 52? I'm guessing 52 was lame by his standards.

    I later ran with another wizard who's DCs were really high and asked how he got them.. turns out he achieved his by using several ED twists.

    So the new norm for being allowed into groups is to use "features" and have several past lives?

    On a somewhat related topic, it seems that every mob now has evasion, as well as really high saves. Oh, and for all of the "heroic levels are a joke" people, they aren't a joke if you're not a multi-TR, uber-geared, ED twister. Some are certainly harder than others, and I had to laugh when 4 twisties died in our group and the 2 non-twisties managed to complete.
    They did you a favor! Relish in the fact you got to avoid such a tool and someone that wants to play with blatant cheaters.

    That Wizard is an exploiter and they should be avoided at all costs as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    They did you a favor! Relish in the fact you got to avoid such a tool and someone that wants to play with blatant cheaters.

    That Wizard is an exploiter and they should be avoided at all costs as well.

    Exploiting? You mean 'meta-power-gaming' right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorianna View Post
    My artificer is a drow. Fleshy arties ftw! I've got partial-construct so I can self-repair and the healing admixture enhancement, so if I die it's because I pulled so much aggro off everyone else that they were clearly slacking off. And not only that, but I'm in Shadowdancer too. Man, I'd get punted real fast, I guess...
    Side note, but are you pure Arti? Since the EP, I've been wondering about the practicality of Construct Essence (already a debatable skill), now that you can get CCW Admixture at L18 as an SLA...its slower than Recon, of course, but does a fully-metad CCW beat out a 50% Recon, especially since it frees a feat slot and doesn't penalize you for hireling/party heals?

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    Just focus on maxing Int at every turn and collect the dc items as go along and you'll be fine.

    Don't listen to the twisters - they are pathetic cowards.

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    Really?

    at level 14 they asked what your DC's were? They asked questions at all? Dang, really?

    I mean the only question I ask is "/p Can you get to the quest by yourself" LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGardes View Post
    That did make me laugh.

    Yes, the guy got put on my "never group with" list. My toon was L16, 2 rogue splash. Running With Devils was the quest. L16-18s. Unless you take it really slow, you're not gonna insta-kill anything there.

    No this wasn't a thread about ed twisties. Those don't actually bother me. I don't use em, but i'm not complaining either. Eventually Turnbine will fix it if they want to. If they're still around on my next life, I'll probably be tempted to do a twistie. Ran with a guy who did the entire necro 2 chain in about 30 minutes. That was my intro to ed twists on heroic. Initially I was thinking "man, I must really suck (and maybe i do...)" but eventually it just didn't seem right how everything simply died around him. Great XP run tho.

    I've met a lot of really good folks pugging. I meet a lot of the underbelly too, but there's more decent folk than not.
    If it wasn't about the bolded part at all, there was no need for you to bring it up.

    Long and short you joined what an Elite run of Running with the Devils prolly posted by a TR group and are suprised that as an unknown to them that they questioned your ability to bring something to the table. I can't say I feel really bad for ya.

    First, yes you can faceroll that quest with a 1st lifer caster. I did so personally as a Pale Master, ducking light bolts as I went. Quest knowledge helped alot, but please don't post such silliness as 'unless you take it real slow.' Garbage. There are ways to do it. You have yet to find them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. And yes they all lie within the realm of legitimate play.

    Second, knowing the quest in general more and what a caster can bring to the table you could laugh off the DC of your Banishment and instead explore the DC of your Greater Shout.

    Third, you gotta get used to it. Casters are really fun to play and can really make a run smooth if done right. Sadly, alot of folk have come and gone that just played like morons, leaving some to ask questions of folks that app to their groups. Personally, I will let anyone join and prove with their deed over their /tells but some want to hear something to ease their conscience. Once you make a decent name for yourself, it will be easier to join groups later in game. But, we gotta pay dues from fools before that thought CC meant casting Fireball at fire immune mobs ><.

    I've done my share of it, and so have most of the others on the boards. But, instead of sugar coating it. I am saying toughen up butter cup and if twists really didn't bother you, you would not have mentioned them.
    Git off mah lawn!

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    Id have asked him for the breakdown, and if he got snotty about it, Id tell him I soloed my way through 1/3rd of it in the time he took to argue about it.

    Then wed get to see if the discussion was about twists or not.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braegan View Post
    I've done my share of it, and so have most of the others on the boards. But, instead of sugar coating it. I am saying toughen up butter cup and if twists really didn't bother you, you would not have mentioned them.
    No, doesn't really bother me. I brought it up as I couldn't figure out how to get my dc's any higher, or into the "low end of this elite range"... and it turns out the only way it seems to be done is to use the twists. I've maxed int, greater spell focus, and have extra DC from enhancements. One of my wands gives me +2 dc on enchant or conjuration (based on which wand I use for what I'm casting.. web vs dancing ball).

    So when I'm rejected because my DCs are "laughable" it really did make me stop and wonder if I've missed the boat on something. I mentioned the twists as the next wizzie I ran with got his "decent" DCs from twists. If I've missed something in what I've written, you sound like the type of person who would surely know.

    I posted as it seems the posters here are claiming that ddo is dying. Ever stop to think one of the reasons is most LFMs say "byoh" or "know it" ?

    I think the epic levels were bad. very bad, and they're moving into WoW territory. It will kill DDO if they keep doing this. just mo.

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