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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalHazard View Post
    lol I just had a thought, DDO needs a new class the name of that class should be named Healer...........this class should have no offensive spells, have no way to take feats like power attack or improved critical , have a debuff to weapon damage that gets stronger as it levels so level 28 -100 to damage per swing or something. All its got is healing and buffs, and give it awesome uber healz and buffs. So people like the OP can put up LFMs that say Need healer!!! and have the class that truely fits the description up on the lfm.................and wait years for someone playing that class to join,
    There is such a class already. It's called Bard.

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    I bet we scared the OP off from the game...that'd be a shame.

    The forum gets too overpowered with posturing and semantics. OP, simply ask folks in game if they can heal a bit while you quest together. Start a dialog, say you are new, and ask for advice. In-game is where the majority of helpful community can be found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmits View Post
    There is such a class already. It's called Bard.
    Bard is one of those classes where player knowledge and skill is very important. Mine is built to deal damage with a quarterstaff and survive while in melee range on Epic Elite. Further it can easily handle buffing, crowd control, and healing like any well built Bard should.
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    On the contrary, I would advise the OP to make a useful build since this is a teamplay game.

    Noone should expect Turbine to release high quality content when its playerbase has forgotten that playing together should give the best results in a game like this, which has became atm an egocentrical byoh slumber party.

    Which byoh does not even work well on EE, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrtigo View Post
    So this story is actually from my captive princess wife known as keenbean but voiced by me.
    I just read that as James Earl Jones reading in a falsetto voice.


    I'm disturbed. I mean, more disturbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    pure rogue's are easy umd and heal scrolls.

    pure barbs only have sf pots which I used a lot of. The easy option though is to splash 2 rogue pickup evasion and umd and only use sf pots in an emergency. This means tactical usage of rages and lots of usage of trip and stunning blow. multi classing doesn't have a downside now as the capstones for most melee's are not worth it at all.

    Fighters can do the same as barbs without the rage side effects and both of these classes could also go helf with cleric dil if they really want to stay pure.
    Capstones are important to many casters and specialists. Cleric dilly is only so-so useful, compared to the AP cost, and definitely isn't viable for an Iconic.




    I'll agree some self sufficiency is called for. I don't agree that it's practical to expect everyone to be able to heal themselves well. That style only works for the people who enjoy that style, and I think they're more vocal than numerous.



    In my experience, I think people who play well, and treat healers well, have fewer problems finding them. Unless the play chosen was meant to be intense, healers shouldn't be getting stressed by the game they play for fun. And they shouldn't have to pop SP pots to run quests.

    There are all kinds of game play styles that don't fit with all sorts of character builds. There are a lot of builds that will take a lot of damage or run dry on SP if they let the melees set the pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaeton_Seraph View Post
    I just read that as James Earl Jones reading in a falsetto voice.


    I'm disturbed. I mean, more disturbed.
    Suddenly I wish I could pull that off or find an app/program that would read that in his voice...maybe someone on the internet already made this for me.

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    Maybe build a Fighter with some UMD and follow a Battle Cleric around healing him with a Wand of Cure Light Wounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoglum View Post
    Maybe build a Fighter with some UMD and follow a Battle Cleric around healing him with a Wand of Cure Light Wounds.
    Use an eternal wand of cure minor wounds and then mutter how much their heal amp sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ungood View Post
    Use an eternal wand of cure minor wounds and then mutter how much their heal amp sucks
    I am so going to run Cata to get one of those for the iconic cleric I rolled yesterday, and then use it to heal parties. I might have hose myself though, because I took the wand enhancements...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaeton_Seraph View Post
    Capstones are important to many casters and specialists. Cleric dilly is only so-so useful, compared to the AP cost, and definitely isn't viable for an Iconic.
    Didn't say anything about casters they all have an easy time self healing anyways. As far as specialists maybe rogue is still good but the benefits of bard and ranger don't outway a splash in any form. As far as the dilly yeah it's worse now and it's not my recommended way of doing things, but if you have to stay pure for some reason it's still a better option than making threads on the forums that the mean healer didn't heal you and you spent the quest as a soul stone.

    I'll agree some self sufficiency is called for. I don't agree that it's practical to expect everyone to be able to heal themselves well. That style only works for the people who enjoy that style, and I think they're more vocal than numerous.
    Not everyone can self heal while tanking a boss that's true but anyone should be able to self heal from fighting trash mobs in a heroic especially which is what the op was talking about. I still remember raising the cleric during a pop when egh came out on my barb while chugging sf pots. That's why you make yourself able to self heal, so you don't auto wipe if one party member lags, dc's, dies.

    In my experience, I think people who play well, and treat healers well, have fewer problems finding them. Unless the play chosen was meant to be intense, healers shouldn't be getting stressed by the game they play for fun. And they shouldn't have to pop SP pots to run quests.
    My experience is that pugs 95% of the time don't treat divines well and that's why I won't pug one unless it's a complete byoh.
    There are all kinds of game play styles that don't fit with all sorts of character builds. There are a lot of builds that will take a lot of damage or run dry on SP if they let the melees set the pace.
    There is a way for every class in the game to gain some self healing somehow, the only people that don't is the people that choose to want a babysitter, and be dependant on someone else for their fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkmits View Post
    There is such a class already. It's called Bard.
    Bards can take offensive melee feats though, power attack, cleave/great cleave/ 2hf/2wf, bow str/rapid shot/ many shot, im fact ive seen quite a few bards do very well with damage dealing, especially splashed bards, and they still back that up with good healing, buffs, songs/spells, displacement/haste very important, and CC's at a level that can be used anywhere in game. So no, sorry I think you are mistaken about bards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoglum View Post
    Maybe build a Fighter with some UMD and follow a Battle Cleric around healing him with a Wand of Cure Light Wounds.
    Half-Elf Fighter with the Cleric Dilettante and Artificer splashed so you can wand whip and chuck Cure Light potions around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalont View Post
    In engame, divines are worthless.
    ahahahahahaha, hahahahhahahaha, bwaaaaa,... no what? you serious?
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    Lots of good stuff here on why.

    Summary with a few new things I didn't see listed:

    1) Too many devs seem to hate healers (clerics in particular) - not enough love and too much expectation on them being a healbot nanny. (Clerics don't have their own epic destiny - case in point. Everyone wants quests harder, so devs comply by having massive damage that guess who has to heal - the healer and often, raids/quests have poor rewards for them.)

    2) Too many players think a cleric or favored soul as a healbot nanny - your own personal hireling that has to keep track of where you are around corners that waste your sp, while you do nothing to ensure you have adequate defenses (like healing potions or wands/scrolls via UMD, halfway decent AC which helps some except against bosses, lots of hp, blur or other protections, cure disease/poison pots, etc.) etc. Sorry, them are the cold hard facts. Now, the majority of players don't necessarily fit into here, but all it takes is a handful to make it really **** for the poor healer.

    I love playing a healer - but, it honestly ***** quiet frequently.

    Be nice to your healer, and you'll find them much more helpful. And, tell devs to quit dissing them... and for crying out loud, when you ***** about things being too easy be sure to add that having massive damage output from the mobs is NOT making the game more difficult...
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    At least clerics have non-healing focused prc's now. Maybe that will keep people from calling them healers. Loving warpriest on my fvs at the moment.

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    I always love when a melee, unable to heal himself, is damaged to approx. 10% life and standing there useless and unable to fight, waiting long time for a heal donation from the other party members.

    Get some pots, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morkahn82 View Post
    I always love when a melee, unable to heal himself, is damaged to approx. 10% life and standing there useless and unable to fight, waiting long time for a heal donation from the other party members.

    Get some pots, dude.
    Got them. Currently chillin' at level 18 with nothing else to heal me.

    GIMME HJEALZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulfurnace View Post
    GIMME HJEALZ.
    ... pl0x. (always stay polite ;D )

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    Quote Originally Posted by morkahn82 View Post
    ... pl0x. (always stay polite ;D )
    No!

    Gimme hjealz or I die and you lose 10%!

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