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    I use my astral shards almost exclusively for gold seal rogue hirelings. I got lucky when shards first came out and was able to sell 2 drow weapon master weapons (One was a light mace) for 200 AS each. I have been living off those 270 (after 30% auction house fee) shards ever since.

    I iike the free daily dice rolls...well...because they are free. I have amassed a nice little stash of xp gems for my next TR.

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    Even though I've been playing DDO for years just like you and have opened thousands of treasure chests, not one of my Astral Shards was lost to this new Reroll feature, or the daily dice roll.

    Some people are just superior to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuartermasterX View Post
    Just to be clear. Daily Dice is not a scam, on average you are receiving rewards worth more than the cost to roll. And if you use your free silver chest roll to discount the gold chest roll, you are receiving even more value.

    The trade off is the random chance element. Our goal is to turn this into a positive & exciting aspect with a chance to get cool exclusive cosmetics, limited release items, etc.
    Well if this was your Goal then you Failed on that.
    Because there are a couple of Problems with the Rolls/Prices.

    #1
    Some of the Potions come in different Caster Levels, which wastes Backpack space or Shared Bank Space and wastes Space on our Shortcut Bars. Make them all Caster Level 20 OR give us more Space!

    #2
    There is no Goal, we do not know what "cool exclusive cosmetics, limited release items" there are to Win.

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    Nor do we actually Win them, 200+ (gold) Rolls and all i got was a Pet? I would have expected at least a couple of Cosmetics.

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    The Roll feels manipulated.
    Its like playing with the Cards from the Shady looking Guy in the Corner of the Tavern, you dont know what he has done but you know that something is odd.
    Out of 200+ rolls 80% under 20?
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuartermasterX View Post
    Just to be clear. Daily Dice is not a scam, on average you are receiving rewards worth more than the cost to roll. And if you use your free silver chest roll to discount the gold chest roll, you are receiving even more value.

    The trade off is the random chance element. Our goal is to turn this into a positive & exciting aspect with a chance to get cool exclusive cosmetics, limited release items, etc.
    ´Our goal is to turn this into a positive & exciting aspect with a chance to get cool exclusive cosmetics, limited release items, etc.´
    Then why did I get 21 bells of opening and about 30.000 xp when I used 700 shards on Gold Rolls. Nothing special, except maybe some Slaying pots.

    Tell me how is that system fair, it´s not and you have no way to prove to me every roll is fairly rolled.
    You guys have been asking 30 shards for a simple enhancement respec, look what you did to feat change, 15 shards, look what happens if you need to reroll your loot 10 shards or more.

    10 shards is equal to 100.000 pp or so, you just think players will pay 300.000 pp just to respec some enhancements capped from ED.
    Pure scam.
    This behaviour is what is destroying the game btw.

    Your implying the system is not designed to drain players from their shards but it is, it´s a false system based on lies.
    Tell me why are Gold Rolls inbalanced so that you can ONLY GET SOMETHING GOOD, once you roll 81-100.
    1-81 is mostly a very low amount of xp and bells of opening or something completely useless.... and this is planned in design.

    Not worth 15 shards at all, not even worth 3 shards.

    Go ahead and buy 700 shards and put it on Gold Rolls and see for yourself.... like I did...
    that it is pure scam at its finest and I will recommend everyone to stay very far away from it.

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    This system it's gambling, usually the odds are stacked against you with a smaller chance of getting something nice then ****.

    That is the way i take the whole thing if i click that roll button I'm gambling.

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    Just stick to the Plat auction house. Easy enough. Don't buy shards, don't put your items in the AS AH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miow View Post
    This system it's gambling, usually the odds are stacked against you with a smaller chance of getting something nice then ****.

    That is the way i take the whole thing if i click that roll button I'm gambling.
    It´s not gambling, it´s a scam.

    If you had 700 shards like me and you get 21 bells of opening, that means I rolled a different number, or same number but it gave me exactly the same reward every time.... THIS IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY and shows that the system is designed to mostly give you something useless.
    In fact I dare to say 95 percent of the people who use Gold Rolls mostly get some XP and are scammed.

    So

    1. Roll 61 - Roll table of loot cheat to worst reward - Bell of Opening
    2. Roll 56 - Roll table of loot cheat to worst reward - Bell of Opening
    3. Roll 63 - Roll table of loot cheat to worst reward - Bell of Opening
    4. Roll 25 - Roll table of loot cheat to worst reward - Bell of Opening
    5. Roll 34 - Roll table of loot cheat to worst reward - Bell of Opening
    6. Roll 34 - Roll table of loot cheat to worst reward - Bell of Opening
    7. Roll 54 - Roll table of loot cheat to worst reward - Bell of Opening
    8. Roll 35 - Roll table of loot cheat to worst reward - Bell of Opening
    9. Roll 21 - Roll table of loot cheat to worst reward - Bell of Opening

    x21

    This 21 times over, the odds would be almost impossible to get so many Bells of Opening, like I did on 700 shards.
    The bells should not even be in there for 15 shards a piece.
    It´s hard coded to give you the worst rewards if you roll, on every roll. So there is no fair system and the OP is very wrong.

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    Last bells of opening I got dropped in a stack of 5. They can appear singly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental View Post
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    It´s hard coded to give you the worst rewards if you roll, on every roll. So there is no fair system and the OP is very wrong.
    You only have anecdotal evidence and are obviously glaring through the lens of confirmation bias...so, no offense, but I'm not taking your word for it...especially since that's not the same experience I've had thusfar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemoneyes View Post
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    There is no Goal, we do not know what "cool exclusive cosmetics, limited release items" there are to Win.
    The information on them was out on the forums- a little bit of mystery is a good thing, but it'd be nice to know when they add or subtract them. Currently there are no cosmetics until patch 19.2
    #3
    Nor do we actually Win them, 200+ (gold) Rolls and all i got was a Pet? I would have expected at least a couple of Cosmetics.
    I can tell you that while they were available, I got many cosmetics over about 1000 shards worth of gold rolls

    #4
    The Roll feels manipulated.
    Its like playing with the Cards from the Shady looking Guy in the Corner of the Tavern, you dont know what he has done but you know that something is odd.
    Out of 200+ rolls 80% under 20?
    Have you done a statistical analysis? Somewhere on the forums there were roll records for the entire guild and it was an almost even distribution
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinusWyllt View Post
    Last bells of opening I got dropped in a stack of 5. They can appear singly?
    You only have anecdotal evidence and are obviously glaring through the lens of confirmation bias...so, no offense, but I'm not taking your word for it...especially since that's not the same experience I've had thusfar.
    You don´t have to believe me, but I mostly got worthless xp... amounts from 2.000 xp to max 10.000 xp for 15 shard a pop roll.
    Now my only question is this, HOW IS THAT IN ANY WAY FAIR lol

    ITS NOT lol... 2.000 xp to 10.000 xp shouldn´t even be in there, nor should those scam bells.

    you do realize 15 shards is a few dollars, 500 shards is a big amount of money.

    Go spend 700 shards on Gold rolls... and come back to this forum, post what you got.
    lol i am curious.

    my point - it´s a manipulated system which is designed to drain your shards and it might work for 5 percent of the players, the other 95 percent is getting scammed.

    1-81 is un balanced and set up wrong in the list btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental View Post
    You don´t have to believe me, but I mostly got worthless xp... amounts from 2.000 xp to max 10.000 xp for 15 shard a pop roll.
    Now my only question is this, HOW IS THAT IN ANY WAY FAIR lol

    ITS NOT lol... 2.000 xp to 10.000 xp shouldn´t even be in there, nor should those scam bells.

    you do realize 15 shards is a few dollars, 500 shards is a big amount of money.

    Go spend 700 shards on Gold rolls... and come back to this forum, post what you got.
    lol i am curious.

    my point - it´s a manipulated system which is designed to drain your shards and it might work for 5 percent of the players, the other 95 percent is getting scammed.

    1-81 is un balanced and set up wrong in the list btw.
    15 shards a few dollars? where did you get that number from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinusWyllt View Post
    Luckily that's not how statistics work.
    There is no statistics involved my friend, cause you have no way to prove to me the rolls are fairly rolled. You have no code available. No proof whatsoever.
    it´s a system designed to scam people and drain the shards you have, only for people to buy more shards... (nicely setup in the DDO store at a huge price)

    Now if you actually spend some shards on Gold Rolls you would realize this fairly soon yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartharok View Post
    15 shards a few dollars? where did you get that number from?
    these are rough out of my head estimates but anyways...

    500 shards - rougly 30 plus euros is equal to 2795 ddo points no store bonuses.
    30 euro is like 50 bucks or maybe a bit less or more
    500 divided by 50 is 10
    10 dollars per 50 shards...

    You realize now the money involved in this evil system, and the method turbine is using to monetize.
    Good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental View Post
    these are rough out of my head estimates but anyways...

    500 shards - rougly 30 plus euros is equal to 2795 ddo points no store bonuses.
    30 euro is like 50 bucks or maybe a bit less or more
    500 divided by 50 is 10
    10 dollars per 50 shards...

    You realize now the money involved in this evil system, and the method turbine is using to monetize.
    Good.
    Assuming you wait until a point sale to buy points, and you get the 8850 pack like most people, it is roughly $19 USD per 500 shards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental View Post
    these are rough out of my head estimates but anyways...

    500 shards - rougly 30 plus euros is equal to 2795 ddo points no store bonuses.
    30 euro is like 50 bucks or maybe a bit less or more
    500 divided by 50 is 10
    10 dollars per 50 shards...

    You realize now the money involved in this evil system, and the method turbine is using to monetize.
    Good.
    With no store bonuses I get roughly 5900 TP's for 60 dollars.
    500 AS is 2795 (3000 rounded) so 30 dollars.
    That makes each AS worth roughly $.06. (30/500=.06)
    15 AS is $.90 - so less than a dollar.

    You estimations are clearly off. As I rounded way up on the value of 500 shards..it's actually quite less.

    More exact:

    5900/60 = 98.33 points per dollar spent.
    2795/98.33 = 28.24 dollars for 500 AS
    28.24/500 = .0564 dollars per AS
    .0564*15 = .8481 dollars per gold roll.

    85 cents per gold roll.

    You get 5 bells per gold roll when landing on the appropriate number so:

    5 bells are worth 200 TP's. 200 Tp's/98.33 (points per dollar spent) = $2.03 value for a 85 cent roll. QMX was entirely truthful when saying your getting more value for a roll. Your actually getting almost 2.5 times the value in this example.

    The only way this is a scam, is if your scamming Turbine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental View Post
    There is no statistics involved my friend, cause you have no way to prove to me the rolls are fairly rolled. You have no code available. No proof whatsoever.
    it´s a system designed to scam people and drain the shards you have, only for people to buy more shards... (nicely setup in the DDO store at a huge price)

    Now if you actually spend some shards on Gold Rolls you would realize this fairly soon yourself.
    It doesn't take "knowing the code" to test a random event with a fixed number of possible outcomes....chi square test being the simplest test, though would be doing an average of a ton of rolls v. expected rather than 1-100 discrete outcomes, I'm guessing. It is easy, but data collection can be tedious for a d100...though someone else *already posted* that their guild did such a data collection and found the outcomes fair.

    If you actually bought 700 shard then, well, you got what you paid for I suppose. I already posted in this thread that the shards I had I already blew on gold rolls in order to drop-out of the shard economy. I certainly haven't been foolish enough to pay money for any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drwaz99 View Post
    With no store bonuses I get roughly 5900 TP's for 60 dollars.
    500 AS is 2795 (3000 rounded) so 30 dollars.
    That makes each AS worth roughly $.06. (30/500=.06)
    15 AS is $.90 - so less than a dollar.

    You estimations are clearly off. As I rounded way up on the value of 500 shards..it's actually quite less.

    More exact:

    5900/60 = 98.33 points per dollar spent.
    2795/98.33 = 28.24 dollars for 500 AS
    28.24/500 = .0564 dollars per AS
    .0564*15 = .8481 dollars per gold roll.

    85 cents per gold roll.

    You get 5 bells per gold roll when landing on the appropriate number so:

    5 bells are worth 200 TP's. 200 Tp's/98.33 (points per dollar spent) = $2.03 value for a 85 cent roll. QMX was entirely truthful when saying your getting more value for a roll. Your actually getting almost 2.5 times the value in this example.

    The only way this is a scam, is if your scamming Turbine.

    If you look at Gold Roll screen you see 1 - 81 is basically useless stuff
    81-99 is useful
    and 100 is tomes

    now, this is already unfair, cause it should be 1-25 25-50 50-75 75-99 99-100

    AT BEST...

    The sections are unevenly divided.

    You spend about 1 dollar a roll & you will get a 81 percent chance of getting scammed. 1-81
    You will mostly get XP, 1.000 - 10.000 at best and some minor stuff that isn´t worth anything.
    Who needs a bell of opening anyways, why is it on the Gold Rolls anyways, it shouldn´t even be there.
    The DDO store is flooded with scams i.e smaller ingredients, medium ingredients for 100´s of DDO points (a piece) lol

    Don´t come with your DDO store pricing.....
    Cause I can put a whole list of way to high prices on here DDO Store wise.
    To start off with enhancements change, this costs 32 shards, 2 dollars every time you change a ED enhancement - scam.
    Feat change - 15 or more shards - scam
    Re-roll loot 12 or more shards - lol

    and the list goes on and on...

    I rest my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental View Post
    If you look at Gold Roll screen you see 1 - 81 is basically useless stuff
    ....
    Don´t come with your DDO store pricing.....
    Cause I can put a whole list of way to high prices on here DDO Store wise.
    To start off with enhancements change, this costs 32 shards, 2 dollars every time you change a ED enhancement - scam.
    Feat change - 15 or more shards - scam
    Re-roll loot 12 or more shards - lol

    and the list goes on and on...
    And you're buying shards why? Was the plat option for resetting enhancements removed? How about the dragonshard option for feat respecs...gone as well?
    Re-rolling loot is the subject of this thread, anyway.

    Yet you've actually spent money on shards? To use on gold rolls? Knowing that "1-81 is basically useless stuff"?

    Really?

    I bought a lottery ticket and didn't even get my $1 back...scam!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental View Post
    *snip*

    I rest my case.
    Ok Mr. Consumer Watchdog. I understand you don't think it's worth it. That's completely fine. Don't use it.

    It is a form of gambling. It's basically a slot machine. Yes there is a bit of "chance" involved. Some people like it, some people don't. Some people love going to casinos and sitting at slot machines for hours. Some don't.

    Most people who don't enjoy a feature don't use it. Nothing here is mandatory to play the game. It drives me crazy when people say things like this but in this case it fits: it seems to me that your so overtly infuriated with this that maybe it's time you looked in another direction. Find another game that suits what you want better. If you believe they are trying to scam you at every corner why are you even putting the effort into it that you are? And this is me saying it. And I am super critical of some of the things Turbine does. But this in my opinion is not warranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fundamental View Post
    You don´t have to believe me, but I mostly got worthless xp... amounts from 2.000 xp to max 10.000 xp for 15 shard a pop roll.

    Go spend 700 shards on Gold rolls... and come back to this forum, post what you got.
    Ok challenge is on.
    I will spend the next 700 shards I make from selling things on ASAH on Gold rolls and see where I get will post the details up under the game play thread.

    I currently have 2100 shards from sales of items. Dont make shards fast so I expect to do about 1 roll every week or two. Will need to do 46~47 rolls

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