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    shadar kai? There are many things that come from the Plane of Endless Night (shadows, vampires, succubi, yugoloths, kastighur, barghests, shadow mastiffs, nightshades, bodaks, heck, you could even throw forgewraiths and painspeakers in there), but the Shadar Kai do not. Even if they existed in Eberron, they would come from the Shadow Plane, not Mabar. I really hope that's not WAI, because that would be a little lazy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fefnir_2011 View Post
    I really hope that's not WAI, because that would be a little like normal practices at Turbine....
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    Btw is anyone surprised we didn't have drow in mabar last year? Or am I too cynical?

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    I don't have a probelm with SHADAR-Kai in Mabar...they kinda have that goth feel to them, so they might be right at home in a cemetary. But really, we need undead...it just plain fits. Cemetary=Undead=Win!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinggartk View Post
    I don't have a probelm with SHADAR-Kai in Mabar...they kinda have that goth feel to them, so they might be right at home in a cemetary. But really, we need undead...it just plain fits. Cemetary=Undead=Win!!!!
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    The draught of midnight from the store use to give motes for every kill and now that the monsters in there are not undead you will not get motes. So they need to update "draught of midnight" to include the new monsters or make all monsters undead like it use to be.
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    casters mass kill period rendering everything dead regardless of thier state when they started

    melee toons do just fine against the undead,get the appropiate weapons

    you want to kill enmasse roll a up a caster ....want to administer a personal beat down enter the fray with a melee...this true for all content

    either way youll do just fine in the event

    the only living things in mabar should be us....the players

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirShen View Post
    The draught of midnight from the store use to give motes for every kill and now that the monsters in there are not undead you will not get motes. So they need to update "draught of midnight" to include the new monsters or make all monsters undead like it use to be.
    Draughts of Midnight have been updated to include the Shadar-kai and Succubi found in Delera's Graveyard during the event, and that change will go Live with the rest of the Mabar updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelstar View Post
    Draughts of Midnight have been updated to include the Shadar-kai and Succubi found in Delera's Graveyard during the event, and that change will go Live with the rest of the Mabar updates.
    So having non-undeads in an undead themed event is WAI?

    Wow. Just wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaliya View Post
    ...I'm thinking of all the people I've watched be frustrated by their inability to do much in the last couple of Mabars I've attended because other characters far better suited to killing undead would nuke everything before they even got going...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelstar View Post
    Draughts of Midnight have been updated to include the Shadar-kai and Succubi found in Delera's Graveyard during the event, and that change will go Live with the rest of the Mabar updates.
    wow ............................Shadar-kai and Succubi showing up in a ubdead killorama ...way to fix more stuff that isnt broken....are the taken going to be there from your sels styled "horror pack"

    hey why not just invite every mob in the game ...i mean why stop at just 2 living mobs make it a free for throw some leprechauns and yetis in there...wheres the werewolfs?

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    I guess part of it is interpretation. I always thought of Mabar as a Halloween themed event, not a specifically undead event. And like someone else stated, the shadar-kai are gothic and creepy looking, and they fit my idea of the theme. But I suppose someone will call me selfish for having a different interpretation of a live event from them. *Shrugs*

    I'd also be okay with goblins, witches, bats, and other things in there. The more things the better. It would be nice if they could code anything in the graveyard instances while it's on work with the drafts to make everyone happy, and only undead outside. I sorta wish it were practical that they could do festival specific new monsters instead of recycled undead we've been killing over and over everywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedHost View Post
    They are actually from the Shadowfel Plane, which Eberron does not have. They are purely Forgettable Realms ****, and need to stay there.
    Eberron has a Shadowfell, they call it Dolurrh. Yes, this is canon:



    Yes, there are Shadar-kai who live there. Some of them also live in Mabar (Eberron as a setting has always leaned towards "critters live wherever it would make sense for them to live" rather than "critters only come from ONE PLACE and ONE PLACE ONLY!").

    As for the folks getting huffy about Shadar-kai in their Mabar event, look at it this way:

    1) Mabar is DDO's Halloween festival. Halloween is about a lot more than just undead. The fact that it's been undead-only up until this point was ignoring plenty of other Halloween-themed stuff that they could have been including.

    So it's fine from a thematic perspective.

    2) As mentioned above, Shadar-kai DO exist in the Mabar.

    So it's fine from an in-game perspective.

    3) As plenty of other folks have pointed out, Mabar has been pretty much a Cleric kill-fest up until now. God help you if you wanted to play, say, a rogue. Now, everybody has something they can kill.

    So it's fine from a game balance perspective.

    4) Then again, it is a change. And we all know change is bad and a sure sign the devs have lost touch with what made this game fun way back in the primordial past.

    So it's not fine from a forumite perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelstar View Post
    Draughts of Midnight have been updated to include the Shadar-kai and Succubi found in Delera's Graveyard during the event, and that change will go Live with the rest of the Mabar updates.
    Shadar-Kai DO NOT BELONG in an Eberron themed Event!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dejafu View Post

    1) Mabar is DDO's Halloween festival. Halloween is about a lot more than just undead. The fact that it's been undead-only up until this point was ignoring plenty of other Halloween-themed stuff that they could have been including.

    So it's fine from a thematic perspective.
    It happens on Halloween but it's always been an UNDEAD THEMED EVENT. The fact that it is attended in Delera's Graveyard should be a HUGE hint. 3 years of undeads should be another huge hint. The fact that we have an item that appears just for this event to work ONLY WITH UNDEADS should make it pretty clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by dejafu View Post
    2) As mentioned above, Shadar-kai DO exist in the Mabar.

    So it's fine from an in-game perspective.
    Whatever, not my point anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by dejafu View Post
    3) As plenty of other folks have pointed out, Mabar has been pretty much a Cleric kill-fest up until now. God help you if you wanted to play, say, a rogue. Now, everybody has something they can kill.

    So it's fine from a game balance perspective.
    God help YOU if you have no idea how to play a rogue when there are a few undeads. The rest of us can kill them pretty fast and reliably however.

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    4) Then again, it is a change. And we all know change is bad and a sure sign the devs have lost touch with what made this game fun way back in the primordial past.

    So it's not fine from a forumite perspective.
    You really think that we whine because this "change" is bad? Or because we can't kill Shadar-kais? Or because Clerics are OP in this event (btw, what?). We whine because it's a stupid change. It's like putting Beholders a pirate cap and add them to Crystal cove.

    EDIT: What I hate more is the fact that Steelstar bothered to reply to a Store item question and didn't even bothered to give us a reply if this was WAI or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizza View Post
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    EDIT: What I hate more is the fact that Steelstar bothered to reply to a Store item question and didn't even bothered to give us a reply if this was WAI or not.
    That answer confirms that it is WAI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinusWyllt View Post
    That answer confirms that it is WAI.
    Yeah, in an indirect way. If there was no such question, he wouldn't even bothered to come here and tell us probably. I don't need you to tell me that that answer confirms it's WAI, I'd like Developers to step up and be direct with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericrd View Post
    wow ............................Shadar-kai and Succubi showing up in a ubdead killorama ...way to fix more stuff that isnt broken....are the taken going to be there from your sels styled "horror pack"

    hey why not just invite every mob in the game ...i mean why stop at just 2 living mobs make it a free for throw some leprechauns and yetis in there...wheres the werewolfs?
    Ooh, I totally forgot werewolves when I was trying to think of other mobs I'd like to see in the Halloween event! That was stupid of me, especially since you and I were just talking about Murder by Moonlight the other night! (For other people, I know it's murder by night, but I've been getting it wrong so long my friends just adapted and it's a running joke now).

    Honestly, I think limiting it to just undead is a boring festival. I don't understand why people are so attached to the 'undead theme' instead of a creepy, variety filled Halloween theme that to me comes across as way less boring. And they indicated the draughts will work, so they won't lose the motes. *Shrugs*
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    Really...you guys are complaining that they added shadar-kai and succubi to the halloween event....on no how dare they add variety to the event.

    I'd love it if they added more...the Taken would work perfect imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrinityTurtle View Post
    Ooh, I totally forgot werewolves when I was trying to think of other mobs I'd like to see in the Halloween event! That was stupid of me, especially since you and I were just talking about Murder by Moonlight the other night! (For other people, I know it's murder by night, but I've been getting it wrong so long my friends just adapted and it's a running joke now).

    Honestly, I think limiting it to just undead is a boring festival. I don't understand why people are so attached to the 'undead theme' instead of a creepy, variety filled Halloween theme that to me comes across as way less boring. And they indicated the draughts will work, so they won't lose the motes. *Shrugs*
    Shadar-kais are not creepy either anyway. They are just boring. If they HAVE TO put new mobs in here, I'd like much more werewolves, rats, hags, takens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelstar View Post
    Draughts of Midnight have been updated to include the Shadar-kai and Succubi found in Delera's Graveyard during the event, and that change will go Live with the rest of the Mabar updates.
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