I am not surprised that they stealth nerf, but can't stealth fix. My former WF Juggernaut had found a new life as a 16 ranger/2monk/2arti. With that extra positive spell power, he could heal himself reliably with not only cocoon but with cure serious wounds too. Being WF, and having a penalty to positive healing already, he was kind of screwed. Being able to net extra spell power that wasn't equipment based that stacked with stuff was AWESOME. He almost felt like a fleshy! But now I guess I'll have to TR him so he's not so screwed. Or shelve him. Along with half of my other 13 characters that I don't even feel like bothering with.
A friend of mine, who no longer plays because of stuff just like this, would just say this is TTB; Typical Turbine Behaviour.
While Turbine may have put the points in the wrong tree making it completely unavailable to ranger splashes is ridiculous. An 8 ranger splash has heals, Empower Healing as an option...but they'll now have limited/no options for raising their devotion? As mentioned earlier, rangers used to have plenty of devotion available in the old system and at that level of splash as well. This is a flat-out nerf to anyone that stays pure as a ranger or dips in heavily and it's aimed at dealing with small dips into ranger.
I definitely like the solution of splitting the devotion evenly between all 3 ranger trees.
If that's not an option how about making devotion an add-on for every core ranger ability. 8 points of positive spell power in each one of the Ranger core abilities would lead to 128 devotion on a pure ranger that went deep enough into each tree to get to the level 18 ability and took the level 20 ability in one tree. That said, that's highly unlikely and might not even be possible from an AP standpoint. On my current 8 ranger splash that takes 2 trees to the level 6 level it would be 48 devotion...quite a nerf from live but then getting 75 devotion from 5ap was a bit OP. 2 ranger splashes would be able to get 8 devotion per tree they selected. I think that's a reasonable solution as well.
Tajawuka 20 Bladeforged Paladin running divine ETR's (3 ranger/monk/fighter pl's, 3 martial epl's) - Toolbots working on Morninglord Cleric life #2 (3 wizard/sorc/druid pl) - Evisra 28 rogue
Hey Turbine . . . you want to look at something over-powered look at monks and kensais . . . it's not rangers.
Should have known this would be too good to last
I don't mean to come across as unsympathetic - but I am, so I do.
Last edited by Failedlegend; 09-13-2013 at 11:43 AM.
Originally Posted by Cordovan
And of course, any change to the game INVARIABLY hacks up something with Bards and handwraps. When they finally add polearms to the game, you do know what will happen right? Something will break with handwraps, and likely fascinate will take twice as long to sing (and enthrall plain won't work) - and of course Warchanters won't be able to be proficient with them.
Ghallanda - now with fewer alts and more ghostbane
Last edited by mute_mayhem; 09-13-2013 at 12:46 PM.
To clarify I'm not saying Monks aren't a powerful class I'm just saying there not wicked OP or anything their just good at what they do...my Monk is plenty jealous about the massive numbers barbs can produce...the various effect the spellcasters can pull off that my furture Henshin Mystic will only dream about,etc,etc. and all the while I'm playing the buggiest class in the game.
Last edited by Failedlegend; 09-13-2013 at 02:45 PM.
Originally Posted by Cordovan
It's obvious Turbine wanted to nerf all the front-loaded Spellpower enhs to make caster splashes less OP in U19. Letting you take 75 Pos Spellpower for 6 APs with a rgr splash was a ridiculously dumb oversight. [EDIT: IIRC, the DWS Pos Spellpower was a late addition in response to the complaints about no Pos Spellpower for rgrs; this is what happens when you make changes w/out enough time to playtest properly.] The simplest solution would be to give rgrs (and pallies) 1 Pos Spellpower for every AP spent in every class tree. You would need to spend all 80 APs in rgr to replicate the Spellpower we got pre-U19; but since Heal skill now boosts Pos Spellpower and rgrs have plenty of skill pts to spare, the reality is we should be roughly on par or a bit ahead. This nerfs the massively OP Spellpower bonus that a rgr splash can currently get without penalizing pure rgrs or pigeon-holing them into DWS.
Last edited by unbongwah; 09-13-2013 at 03:33 PM.
@Unbongwah: The changes the devs made requires ranger (even single class ones) to invest heavily in DWS its NOT a good change...the suggestion of 25 Spellpower in each tree is the best idea.
Last edited by Failedlegend; 09-13-2013 at 04:05 PM.
Originally Posted by Cordovan
This is a cut and paste from my thread in General Discussion but I think I have come up with a pretty good suggestion regarding Devotion for both Paladin and Ranger
Before the enhancement update both Paladin and Ranger had the option for 80 devotion in their class enhancement trees with no requirements. After the update Paladins can only acquire devotion from the Sacred Defender tree and only as many points are spent. The Sacred Defender tree was changed to mostly only function with shields leaving DPS Paladins without any devotion. Now you are doing the same thing to Ranger by forcing most of the devotion into Core DWS abilities. On my melee Tempest ranger I do not have the points to spend in DWS period.
If the change was made to keep 1 or 2 Ranger splash from having too many benefits then simply add devotion to the tier 3/4 Stat in each Ranger AND Paladin tree. This would mean that you would need to splash 3 or 4 levels of Paladin/Ranger and spend a minimum of 12 points in a tree to get 40 devotion with 22 points required for the full 80. Stating that the heal skill is there to make up the different in devotion is not plausible since Paladins are a 2 skill point per level class.
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