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    With the new enhancements staff builds got a huge dps boost with staff specialization. It allows you to use sireth and have it a 13-20 x/3 which is very powerful.
    This with the rest of the new enhancements for staves means top tier dps.

    This build does require you to play your keyboard like a piano if you want to maximize this builds dps. I personally love this style of play but if you dont i would suggest you dont use this build. Also 36 point build is almost required for this and if you dont have it you will miss alot.

    Halfling Lawful Neutral 13 Rogue 6 Monk 1 Druid

    Base Stats 36 Point Build
    Str-12
    Dex-20 (level ups here)
    Con-16
    Int-8
    Wis-12
    Cha-8
    Note- A +5 con is needed to reach the 21 con requirement for Epic Toughness. If you cant get a +5 con tome drop wis by 3 and have con start at 17

    Feats
    1 Rogue Point Blank Shot
    2 Rogue
    3 Monk Free Power Attack
    3 Cleave
    4 Monk Free Dodge
    5 Rogue
    6 Monk Free Fists of Light
    6 Precise Shot
    7 Rogue
    8 Druid
    9 Rogue Great Cleave
    10 Monk
    11 Rogue
    12 Rogue Improved Crit Bludgeon
    13 Monk
    14 Monk Free Toughness
    15 Rogue Master Forms
    16 Rogue
    17 Rogue Improved Evasion
    18 Rogue GM Forms
    19 Rogue
    20 Rogue Opportunist
    21 Epic Improved Sneak Attack
    22 Epic
    23 Epic
    24 Epic Epic Toughness
    25 Epic
    26 Epic PTWF
    27 Epic I am using Past Life Pally but you can also use Empower Healing so its up to you
    28 Epic Holy Strike

    Why PBS and Precise Shot? Currently if you switch to a ranged weapon and then wait for the archers focus stance to start then switch to a melee weapon the archers focus stance will stay on and you can get 30% more damage almost all the time.
    Why PTWF over PTHF? Glancing blows dont proc off of cleave attacks with staves currently so 5% double strike is more damage.

    ED
    Either FOTW or LD
    Twists
    I currently use:
    Tier 3: Grim Precision
    Tier 1: Dance of Flowers
    Tier 1: Brace for Impact

    Skills
    DD
    Search
    Open Lock
    UMD
    Balance
    The rest are up to you.

    Saves
    Fort: About 55
    Reflex: About 60 (almost 70 against traps)
    Will: About 50
    These Saves are good enough for most EEs with Improved Evasion

    HP
    800-850

    Dodge
    4% From Uncanny Dodge
    6% From Monk Levels
    3% From Dodge
    3% From Monk Enhancements
    8% From Item
    24% Dodge

    Enhancements

    Mechanic Tree 11
    Arbalester 1
    Mechanics 3
    Awareness 1
    Wand and Scroll Mastery 6

    Thief Acrobat 41
    Acrobat 1
    Stick Fighting 1
    Tumbler 1
    Staff Training 2
    Thief Acrobatics 3
    Staff Training 2
    Quick Strike 6
    Haste Boost 6
    Staff Training 2
    Sweeping Strikes 6
    Staff Training 2
    No Mercy 3
    Staff Lunge 2
    Staff Specialization 2
    Vault 2

    Ninja Spy 28
    Ninja Training 1
    Ninja Training 1
    Shadow Veil 1
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    Acrobatics 3
    Subtlety 2
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    Fist of Iron 2
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    Sting of the Ninja 2
    Dexterity 2
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    No Mercy 6

    Gear
    I dont have the Gear planned out on this guy yet but 1 piece that is set is Sireth.


    Enjoy the build.
    Feedback and Suggestions are welcome.

    Drag
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drag- View Post
    With the new enhancements staff builds got a huge dps boost with staff specialization. It allows you to use sireth and have it a 13-20 x/3 which is very powerful.
    This with the rest of the new enhancements for staves means top tier dps.

    This build does require you to play your keyboard like a piano if you want to maximize this builds dps. I personally love this style of play but if you dont i would suggest you dont use this build. Also 36 point build is almost required for this and if you dont have it you will miss alot.

    Halfling Lawful Neutral 13 Rogue 6 Monk 1 Druid

    Base Stats 36 Point Build
    Str-12
    Dex-20 (level ups here)
    Con-16
    Int-8
    Wis-12
    Cha-8
    Note- A +5 con is needed to reach the 21 con requirement for Epic Toughness. If you cant get a +5 con tome drop wis by 3 and have con start at 17

    Feats
    1 Rogue Point Blank Shot
    2 Rogue
    3 Monk Free Power Attack
    3 Cleave
    4 Monk Free Dodge
    5 Rogue
    6 Monk Free Fists of Light
    6 Precise Shot
    7 Rogue
    8 Druid
    9 Rogue Great Cleave
    10 Monk
    11 Rogue
    12 Rogue Improved Crit Bludgeon
    13 Monk
    14 Monk Free Toughness
    15 Rogue Master Forms
    16 Rogue
    17 Rogue Improved Evasion
    18 Rogue GM Forms
    19 Rogue
    20 Rogue Opportunist
    21 Epic Improved Sneak Attack
    22 Epic
    23 Epic
    24 Epic Epic Toughness
    25 Epic
    26 Epic PTWF
    27 Epic I am using Past Life Pally but you can also use Empower Healing so its up to you
    28 Epic Holy Strike

    Why PBS and Precise Shot? Currently if you switch to a ranged weapon and then wait for the archers focus stance to start then switch to a melee weapon the archers focus stance will stay on and you can get 30% more damage almost all the time.
    Why PTWF over PTHF? Glancing blows dont proc off of cleave attacks with staves currently so 5% double strike is more damage.

    ED
    Either FOTW or LD
    Twists
    I currently use:
    Tier 3: Grim Precision
    Tier 1: Dance of Flowers
    Tier 1: Brace for Impact

    Skills
    DD
    Search
    Open Lock
    UMD
    Balance
    The rest are up to you.

    Saves
    Fort: About 55
    Reflex: About 60 (almost 70 against traps)
    Will: About 50
    These Saves are good enough for most EEs with Improved Evasion

    HP
    800-850

    Dodge
    4% From Uncanny Dodge
    6% From Monk Levels
    3% From Dodge
    3% From Monk Enhancements
    8% From Item
    24% Dodge

    Enhancements

    Mechanic Tree 11
    Arbalester 1
    Mechanics 3
    Awareness 1
    Wand and Scroll Mastery 6

    Thief Acrobat 41
    Acrobat 1
    Stick Fighting 1
    Tumbler 1
    Staff Training 2
    Thief Acrobatics 3
    Staff Training 2
    Quick Strike 6
    Haste Boost 6
    Staff Training 2
    Sweeping Strikes 6
    Staff Training 2
    No Mercy 3
    Staff Lunge 2
    Staff Specialization 2
    Vault 2

    Ninja Spy 28
    Ninja Training 1
    Ninja Training 1
    Shadow Veil 1
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    Acrobatics 3
    Subtlety 2
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    Fist of Iron 2
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    Sting of the Ninja 2
    Dexterity 2
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    No Mercy 6

    Gear
    I dont have the Gear planned out on this guy yet but 1 piece that is set is Sireth.


    Enjoy the build.
    Feedback and Suggestions are welcome.

    Drag
    Looks like a fun build! I would think 8 fighter would compliment this build greatly for another stacking +4/+6 and increasing Sireth to 11-20/x3, but it would clearly be more focused on melee DPS and less on rogue/monk stuff (lower saves, less sneak damage, may not get imp evasion depending on split)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inoukchuk View Post
    Looks like a fun build! I would think 8 fighter would compliment this build greatly for another stacking +4/+6 and increasing Sireth to 11-20/x3, but it would clearly be more focused on melee DPS and less on rogue/monk stuff (lower saves, less sneak damage, may not get imp evasion depending on split)
    Would love to but you can't have 2 tier 5 enhancements which is what you are talking about.
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    While I like DEX builds as much as the next gimpy flavor builder, I think STR-based makes more sense. Depending on tomes, you ought to be able to get Overwhelming Crit and Imp Sneak Atk; if I can do it on a 1st-life HO, you can certainly do it on a TRed halfling. Since Sireth isn't wood, Shillelagh has no effect on it; if you can push your CHA high enough, look into a cleric or FvS splash for Divine Might instead.

    Also, as amusing as exploiting Archer's Focus sounds, I think I'd consider squeezing in Least DM + Emp Heal + Heal skill for some extra self-healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drag- View Post
    With the new enhancements staff builds got a huge dps boost with staff specialization. It allows you to use sireth and have it a 13-20 x/3 which is very powerful.
    This with the rest of the new enhancements for staves means top tier dps.

    This build does require you to play your keyboard like a piano if you want to maximize this builds dps. I personally love this style of play but if you dont i would suggest you dont use this build. Also 36 point build is almost required for this and if you dont have it you will miss alot.

    Halfling Lawful Neutral 13 Rogue 6 Monk 1 Druid

    Base Stats 36 Point Build
    Str-12
    Dex-20 (level ups here)
    Con-16
    Int-8
    Wis-12
    Cha-8
    Note- A +5 con is needed to reach the 21 con requirement for Epic Toughness. If you cant get a +5 con tome drop wis by 3 and have con start at 17

    Feats
    1 Rogue Point Blank Shot
    2 Rogue
    3 Monk Free Power Attack
    3 Cleave
    4 Monk Free Dodge
    5 Rogue
    6 Monk Free Fists of Light
    6 Precise Shot
    7 Rogue
    8 Druid
    9 Rogue Great Cleave
    10 Monk
    11 Rogue
    12 Rogue Improved Crit Bludgeon
    13 Monk
    14 Monk Free Toughness
    15 Rogue Master Forms
    16 Rogue
    17 Rogue Improved Evasion
    18 Rogue GM Forms
    19 Rogue
    20 Rogue Opportunist
    21 Epic Improved Sneak Attack
    22 Epic
    23 Epic
    24 Epic Epic Toughness
    25 Epic
    26 Epic PTWF
    27 Epic I am using Past Life Pally but you can also use Empower Healing so its up to you
    28 Epic Holy Strike

    Why PBS and Precise Shot? Currently if you switch to a ranged weapon and then wait for the archers focus stance to start then switch to a melee weapon the archers focus stance will stay on and you can get 30% more damage almost all the time.
    Why PTWF over PTHF? Glancing blows dont proc off of cleave attacks with staves currently so 5% double strike is more damage.

    ED
    Either FOTW or LD
    Twists
    I currently use:
    Tier 3: Grim Precision
    Tier 1: Dance of Flowers
    Tier 1: Brace for Impact

    Skills
    DD
    Search
    Open Lock
    UMD
    Balance
    The rest are up to you.

    Saves
    Fort: About 55
    Reflex: About 60 (almost 70 against traps)
    Will: About 50
    These Saves are good enough for most EEs with Improved Evasion

    HP
    800-850

    Dodge
    4% From Uncanny Dodge
    6% From Monk Levels
    3% From Dodge
    3% From Monk Enhancements
    8% From Item
    24% Dodge

    Enhancements

    Mechanic Tree 11
    Arbalester 1
    Mechanics 3
    Awareness 1
    Wand and Scroll Mastery 6

    Thief Acrobat 41
    Acrobat 1
    Stick Fighting 1
    Tumbler 1
    Staff Training 2
    Thief Acrobatics 3
    Staff Training 2
    Quick Strike 6
    Haste Boost 6
    Staff Training 2
    Sweeping Strikes 6
    Staff Training 2
    No Mercy 3
    Staff Lunge 2
    Staff Specialization 2
    Vault 2

    Ninja Spy 28
    Ninja Training 1
    Ninja Training 1
    Shadow Veil 1
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    Acrobatics 3
    Subtlety 2
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    Fist of Iron 2
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    Sting of the Ninja 2
    Dexterity 2
    Sneak Attack Training 2
    No Mercy 6

    Gear
    I dont have the Gear planned out on this guy yet but 1 piece that is set is Sireth.


    Enjoy the build.
    Feedback and Suggestions are welcome.

    Drag

    You do know that sireth is slashing and not bludgeon right?


    Lookin for sumthin to kill!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamBraveheart View Post
    You do know that sireth is slashing and not bludgeon right?
    it still uses ic bludgeon

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    I love the variety of builds being tried with the new enhancements
    Kill'em all and let their favorite deity sort'em out
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    While I like DEX builds as much as the next gimpy flavor builder, I think STR-based makes more sense. Depending on tomes, you ought to be able to get Overwhelming Crit and Imp Sneak Atk; if I can do it on a 1st-life HO, you can certainly do it on a TRed halfling. Since Sireth isn't wood, Shillelagh has no effect on it; if you can push your CHA high enough, look into a cleric or FvS splash for Divine Might instead.

    Also, as amusing as exploiting Archer's Focus sounds, I think I'd consider squeezing in Least DM + Emp Heal + Heal skill for some extra self-healing.
    I normally dont make "gimpy flavor" builds and i would definitely not consider this one. I normally run EEs with this build many of which are BYOH and i always have a nice kill count (except for when someone is blitzing) and am able to keep my self up. Also i tank reaver in FoT on EH and heal myself only using heal scrolls and still prep him before draco lich is prepped. But i dont know maybe endgame suddenly got alot easier where gimp build can own EEs so please tell me if i am wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drag- View Post
    But i dont know maybe endgame suddenly got alot easier where gimp build can own EEs so please tell me if i am wrong.

    Sure its a gimp build(sarcasm)!!! Nothing like counting on Sireth tier 3, +5 tomes (or +4 tomes all around for that matter)! 3 twists! Full ED's unlocked! Yep I can see a gimp miles away. Just because a character doesnt focus on STR for Overwhelming Critical and min/max to INFINITE! He's still getting monk lvls and stances for PRR, druid for Coccon with Emp Heal and whatnots.

    Oh its a DEX build it must be flavor gimp. You're absolutetly right

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    Does Fist of Iron work with staves?

    I assume that it does, but I do not see the big numbers that I would expect to see, especially compared to using great cleave or any of my acrobat attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drag- View Post
    Would love to but you can't have 2 tier 5 enhancements which is what you are talking about.
    You can't have 2 tier 5s? Really? Are you sure you aren't confusing this with 2 capstones? Capstones each require level 20 and 40 in tree, so yes that's impossible (even in same class), but tier 5's usually have no class level requirement and only 30 in tree, so unless there is a rule against having tier 5s from more than one tree (which is very possible) that I don't don't about, I would say that should work fine.

    Not that what I said is possible anyway since I think that the 2 tier 5's don't stack since they are both competence bonuses =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inoukchuk View Post
    unless there is a rule against having tier 5s from more than one tree
    There is.

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    The Archer's focus only gives bonus to ranged damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DareDelvis View Post
    Does Fist of Iron work with staves?

    I assume that it does, but I do not see the big numbers that I would expect to see, especially compared to using great cleave or any of my acrobat attacks.
    I haven't tested it but just from using I think it does work with weapons.

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilKitteh View Post
    The Archer's focus only gives bonus to ranged damage.
    It is bugged currently and if you follow the instructions I posted you can do it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drag- View Post
    I haven't tested it but just from using I think it does work with weapons.



    It is bugged currently and if you follow the instructions I posted you can do it too.
    Archers focus is bugged and continues to stack with melee weapons, but I haven't seen any evidence that it increases melee damage. If that's what you're suggesting....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalont View Post
    Archers focus is bugged and continues to stack with melee weapons, but I haven't seen any evidence that it increases melee damage. If that's what you're suggesting....
    It does increase melee damage and by 30% most of the time.
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    I have a character that uses the ranged stance and beyond the count going up for it I've seen no difference in my damage for melee and the effect itself states missile damage.

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