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    Default Precision and Precise Shot - Are they worth it?

    I've used them for a while but I'm starting to think I'm better off with something else. Archer's Focus really doesn't seem to amount to much extra damage.

    Precision's reduction of enemy fortification probably helps with criticals but then it's hard to tell if it's really helping.

    Thinking about picking other feats that would have a more tangible effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelair View Post
    I've used them for a while but I'm starting to think I'm better off with something else. Archer's Focus really doesn't seem to amount to much extra damage.

    Precision's reduction of enemy fortification probably helps with criticals but then it's hard to tell if it's really helping.

    Thinking about picking other feats that would have a more tangible effect.
    Precise shot is only good for one thing...you need it to get Improved Precise Shot. I also have Precision, and haven't really noticed much, if any, notable change.
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    As shorlong said precise shot is needed for improved precise shot, which is awesome.

    IMO precision is great filler. It is a nice boost that I would replace in a heartbeat by something more useful if it came along.
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    I took Precision on my rogue, but cannot recall ever seeing sneak attack damage on undead. I'd assume they only have 100% base fort in the low-level quests I'm running right now so I'm not sure what's going on. Perhaps I'm just getting unlucky when I check the combat log.

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    And I'm one that actually likes Precise shot and find Archer's focus a nice little buff.

    My reasons for like Precise shot (Artificer that uses the Repeater+Rune Arm)
    • I can target a specific enemy (Such as the caster in the back) and avoid drawing agro of other engaged enemies or even having my shot blocked by that jumping spider.
    • For boss fights where standing still is practical +30% (15 stacks) creates consistent damage (Of course it is not practical to stand still during trash fights or even be able to stand still long enough to get the full stacks)
    • And of course it is the gateway to Improved Precise shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaliya View Post
    I took Precision on my rogue, but cannot recall ever seeing sneak attack damage on undead. I'd assume they only have 100% base fort in the low-level quests I'm running right now so I'm not sure what's going on. Perhaps I'm just getting unlucky when I check the combat log.
    I have definitely gotten crit hits on undead. Sneak damage I'm not sure on as there's a lot of numbers up there most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok.cry View Post
    IMO precision is great filler. It is a nice boost that I would replace in a heartbeat by something more useful if it came along.
    Huh ? Precision is absolutely necessary and core feat for any ranged toon and fort bypass might be your biggest damage/killing power increase.
    So many things have some / full fort now, fort bypass makes the difference between 300 and 5 - 15k arrow.
    Hard to quantify these days with Slayer but fort bypass was the difference between 10k and 80k unbridled/manyshot.

    Go solo EE Trial by fire if you have monster manual, there's a boss with 91k.
    Unbridled+manyshot him without any fort bypass.
    Twist Grim precision, get Black armour/robe and Precision feat, try unbridled now.
    Or Manyshotting or adrenalined Slayer Truthful One, any constructs, undead, many red names minibosses.
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    I've been wondering about Precision myself. I have it on my Art but that's mostly because I have feats to spare.

    However, I have another character that I'm thinking about TRing into a pure Ranger and be a melee/ranged hybrid and I'll definitely be taking Power Attack. I know PA and Precision can't be on at the same time. Would it be a pain to turn them on and off when switching between ranged and melee?

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    If Im using precision, opportunist, and improved destruction, and then I use an "assassins trick" from the assassin tree, I can hit the marut in epic von 1 with a alot of attacks afterward and almost all of them have SA damage included. Same for the Truthful One in FoT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Encair View Post
    Huh ? Precision is absolutely necessary and core feat for any ranged toon and fort bypass might be your biggest damage/killing power increase.
    So many things have some / full fort now, fort bypass makes the difference between 300 and 5 - 15k arrow.
    Hard to quantify these days with Slayer but fort bypass was the difference between 10k and 80k unbridled/manyshot.

    Go solo EE Trial by fire if you have monster manual, there's a boss with 91k.
    Unbridled+manyshot him without any fort bypass.
    Twist Grim precision, get Black armour/robe and Precision feat, try unbridled now.
    Or Manyshotting or adrenalined Slayer Truthful One, any constructs, undead, many red names minibosses.
    And yet despite that, if I needed to drop it for something like quicken, I wouldn't even hesitate. I am not saying it is bad. Quite the contrary, it is good. It is also not nearly as high priority as manyshot and improved precise shot are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaliya View Post
    I took Precision on my rogue, but cannot recall ever seeing sneak attack damage on undead. I'd assume they only have 100% base fort in the low-level quests I'm running right now so I'm not sure what's going on. Perhaps I'm just getting unlucky when I check the combat log.
    Some mobs (like undead and oozes I think) are just flat out immune to sneak attacks--you can crit them with fort bypass but not get sneak damage. Constructs (like the training dummy) are not immune to crits, they simply have high fort.
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    Test it on the training dummy. You will see a crit every now and again with Precision.

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    Default Precision vs Archer's Focus

    Quote Originally Posted by Encair View Post
    Huh ? Precision is absolutely necessary and core feat for any ranged toon and fort bypass might be your biggest damage/killing power increase.
    So many things have some / full fort now, fort bypass makes the difference between 300 and 5 - 15k arrow.
    Hard to quantify these days with Slayer but fort bypass was the difference between 10k and 80k unbridled/manyshot.

    Go solo EE Trial by fire if you have monster manual, there's a boss with 91k.
    Unbridled+manyshot him without any fort bypass.
    Twist Grim precision, get Black armour/robe and Precision feat, try unbridled now.
    Or Manyshotting or adrenalined Slayer Truthful One, any constructs, undead, many red names minibosses.
    Got a question for you dude, since one can only have one combat stance at a time, which one of those two would you prefer, and why?

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