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    Default Cheating is rampant - whats the point now and why complain about P2Win

    I used to enjoy seeing great players play well. The feeling of being in a good VON3 group is like being part of a wolf pack.

    Now, I see way too many players cheating at a huge scale. Having one of these is your party is good I guess, Its nice to have a 50 int wizard in heroic but it also makes the game empty. When people use epic destiny abilities at heroic it just seems so utterly empty. Now even good players are cheating more and more and now that I watch them they don't have the skills like they had because they just overpower it with epic abilities in mid level quests. Each life , I look forward to learning a bit more and playing better. These cheaters eat the life of the game, give new players a crazy unfair gulf to cross, complain about non cheating characters and diminish the game. I used to be impressed when good players play well now I think how many exploits they are doing. No one seems special anymore. What is the point of the Tour de France bike race if some people use motorcycles.

    Now I feel increasingly like a sucker for actually playing the game. I see so many posts on the forum complaining about Pay2Win and yet that's nothing compared to these cheaters. What is even more galling I saw some people who cheat including who multiple shear users and said the game was too easy. If you cannot do an epic elite quest with multiple exploits then you have no idea how to play the game.

    DDO is definitely changing but the unwillingness to address cheating is large and it is so odd that the game punishes those who want to stop cheating much worse than those who actually cheat. I am so afraid of the backlash from turbine that I made a different forum account to talk about this stuff. Also odd, racist anti jewish character names are unacceptable but when I reported an anti Asian name they ignored it. Odd but true too.

    If you like the game, continue to play but never ever be impressed with another player because more often than not they are cheating now. We are the suckers now.

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    They have no respect for heroic levels? Geez, we should do something about it!

    ...Aside from the fact that I have no respect for heroic levels either. All I learn is how stupid the xp changes where, now that I need to farm more. Hate to tell you, heroic is a joke and I don't blame them for using ED abilities. Main reason why I don't? I don't know how.

    Soloing elite is a joke anyway. A good VON III party? Why VON III? At least I can pretend fleshmaker is difficult.

    In short, heroic is a joke, nobody cares about it, many players solo 1-20 to avoid PUG drama (because it's easy) and... VON III is easy by heroic standards!

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    The difficulty in addressing the cheating may lay in fixing the issue. Generally MMO's I have seen fix the issue and then deal with the cheaters. That is how DDO has done it in the past (i.e the Great Mayban event). The issue may simply be that it is not a quick and easy fix.
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    Keep the faith. I am sure that the devs will address the relevant bugs as they come up in the queue. With respect to the anti-Asian name, is it possible that it has a legitimate, non-racist context? Feel free to PM me if you don't want to discuss it in open forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foolishmortal View Post
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    I agree the cheating should be stopped. I ran an elite Trial By Fire the other day with a party that included a wizard using energy burst. It was neat to see, but it really sucked the fun out of the quest. They told me how they do it and I am surprised Turbine has not fixed this already, quite honestly - especially because it should be so easy to fix. Hopefully, they'll fix this sooner rather than later, but I kind of doubt it since they've known about this for so long.
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    Default I have TR's many times Iknow the drill

    If you don't want to play the game then don't play. If you don't want to run a marathon do not insist to do it and in a car. No one forces you to TR. Well its possible if someone breaks into home threatens you and then hands you a turbine point card and demands you TR but I think that is as far fetched as the likelihood of those who defend cheating but don't themselves.

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    ppl need to cheat in this game? wow...
    do they need to cheat in neopets as well?
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    less buffing, more nerfing!!!
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    Default As tot the anti Asian name

    It was a pure Asian slur. no symbols or subterfuge. I sent in the request twice explained why it was offensive and racist and they ignored it. It just wasn't an issue to them.

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    Still cant stop laughing at people complaining to me how easy the game is after they explained how many different ways they were cheating. It was like they saw no connection between easy completions and quad shears. I say to you if you cant do epic elite with quad shearing do you know what a hot bar is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foolishmortal View Post
    We are the suckers now.
    I strongly believe Turbine leaves this around because it encourages TRing. As far as I know it has existed since MOTU. My advice is to just form parties of like-minded individuals. User channels are excellent for this.
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    For the most part I solo or with some close buddies. But on the odd occasion if I open up an lfm and someone uses epic abilities pre-20, they get reported. No questions.

    I don't care if the dev's are turning a blind eye, it has to stop!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyjibo_lol View Post
    But on the odd occasion if I open up an lfm and someone uses epic abilities pre-20, they get reported. No questions.
    Reporting players who use it will never fix the real problem. You should consider sending an email to Warner Brothers with your complaints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryiah View Post
    Reporting players who use it will never fix the real problem. You should consider sending an email to Warner Brothers with your complaints.
    That is a swell idea, but do they care either?

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    heroic levels are even looked at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyjibo_lol View Post
    That is a swell idea, but do they care either?
    I've had guildies who had no luck dealing with Turbine turn to Warner Brothers resulting in their problems being solved quickly. I suspect Warner Brothers does little more than forward the request, but I doubt Turbine likes giving them the impression they cannot handle their own problems.
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    They are revamping the ED system with Epic TR, I am sure it would be a waste of resources to try and fix this bug now when they have a system overhaul planned that will most likely fix the problem soon enough.

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    *** that is cheating? I set my twists and drag them to my hot bar and they work...isn't that WAI? I thought I was being a nice guy for months now popping healing springs for people in heroic quests. Every time I pop healing spring on a group they say ty, nobody accuses me of cheating, and I've seen more people using them then not. I just figured those that weren't using them were just using passive ones like sense weakness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyjibo_lol View Post
    For the most part I solo or with some close buddies. But on the odd occasion if I open up an lfm and someone uses epic abilities pre-20, they get reported. No questions.

    I don't care if the dev's are turning a blind eye, it has to stop!
    Bug report the exploit and then report the people using it.

    Keep reporting the players using it and avoid each and every one of them.

    Karma - they will get what is coming to them.

    Want a real laugh, after you report them for exploiting, tell them you just did. Then you can report the /tells and /party chats.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AZgreentea View Post
    The difficulty in addressing the cheating may lay in fixing the issue. Generally MMO's I have seen fix the issue and then deal with the cheaters. That is how DDO has done it in the past (i.e the Great Mayban event). The issue may simply be that it is not a quick and easy fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McFlay View Post
    *** that is cheating? I set my twists and drag them to my hot bar and they work...isn't that WAI? I thought I was being a nice guy for months now popping healing springs for people in heroic quests. Every time I pop healing spring on a group they say ty, nobody accuses me of cheating, and I've seen more people using them then not. I just figured those that weren't using them were just using passive ones like sense weakness.
    Yep, I report those for using healing spring too. I can't see the passive ones, so I can only report on what I see.

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