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    I noticed there was a change with this fall of truth raid. Didn't see anything in release notes about it. Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    I noticed there was a change with this fall of truth raid. Didn't see anything in release notes about it. Why not?
    Maybe it is so top secret that even you were not allowed to tell us which change you refer to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by morkahn82 View Post
    Maybe it is so top secret that even you were not allowed to tell us which change you refer to?
    I just figured people would do the raid to see the change. It boots you from the raid if you are not "helping" the storm reaver enough. Gives a message saying you failed the raid because even the storm reaver needs sufficient help in defeating things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    I just figured people would do the raid to see the change. It boots you from the raid if you are not "helping" the storm reaver enough. Gives a message saying you failed the raid because even the storm reaver needs sufficient help in defeating things.
    was it just you or the entire party? damn pikers

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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    I just figured people would do the raid to see the change. It boots you from the raid if you are not "helping" the storm reaver enough. Gives a message saying you failed the raid because even the storm reaver needs sufficient help in defeating things.
    Well I ran EH FOT yesterday, nothing of that kind happened in our run. So we did not notice. Apparently all were helping stormreaver enough.

    But the change you described is pretty awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalHazard View Post
    was it just you or the entire party? damn pikers
    The bard was running around stuff while waiting on the timers to count down to raise people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    The bard was running around stuff while waiting on the timers to count down to raise people.
    ah now I see, still silly mechanic exactly for that reason, sometimes you have to stop dpsing in those types of situations to stay alive to do a recovery.

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    Debo,

    As i understand it, that change was made to close an exploit. That is why it likely undocumented.
    In your situation, it sounds like the mechanism was a bit over zealous. :-(

    We've also noticed on EH that they appear to have shrunk the window in which you have to kill the Reaver and TO. Much less forgiving now. :-/

    Cheers

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    Well, the DM is pretty clear about this. He repeats about 100 times that the Stormreaver can't do the fight on his own

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    And we thought that was a bug.... In fact it was a cunning plan after all......

    You can't say you weren't warned then...... :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander View Post
    Debo,

    As i understand it, that change was made to close an exploit. That is why it likely undocumented.
    In your situation, it sounds like the mechanism was a bit over zealous. :-(

    We've also noticed on EH that they appear to have shrunk the window in which you have to kill the Reaver and TO. Much less forgiving now. :-/

    Cheers
    I'm sure there could have been other ways to fix an exploit in there, then add that horrible idea. And if they did close the exploit, it's still no reason for the dev's to not put the change in the release notes since it wouldn't even mention the exploit, just the fact the fot raid has a chance to automatically fail now if u don't damage enough during set time.

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    The first time we did the raid after the update, we noticed a new objective. Something about not letting the stormreaver die. We didn't let him die, but it was weird there was a new objective in the quest box.

    Why even have the Stormreaver there if you can't use him as an aggro mgnet? Just have him fly away or something until the truthful one turns him evil. Stupid and lazy mechanic put in, rather than a well though-out fix for something. Whether it was because of any alleged exploits or just because turbine didn't want people to use him to deal with one pair at a time and not have to expend extra resources dealing with the others. Stupid.


    Petition to rename him to The Coyle Green Giant, since he is about as useful as teats on a boar, and you have to babysit him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rest View Post
    The first time we did the raid after the update, we noticed a new objective. Something about not letting the stormreaver die. We didn't let him die, but it was weird there was a new objective in the quest box.

    Why even have the Stormreaver there if you can't use him as an aggro mgnet? Just have him fly away or something until the truthful one turns him evil. Stupid and lazy mechanic put in, rather than a well though-out fix for something. Whether it was because of any alleged exploits or just because turbine didn't want people to use him to deal with one pair at a time and not have to expend extra resources dealing with the others. Stupid.


    Petition to rename him to The Coyle Green Giant, since he is about as useful as teats on a boar, and you have to babysit him.
    Another 'escort' raid. Why do Turbine feel like they have to make raids more miserable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    I just figured people would do the raid to see the change. It boots you from the raid if you are not "helping" the storm reaver enough. Gives a message saying you failed the raid because even the storm reaver needs sufficient help in defeating things.
    Boooo. They must be tired of people soloing it by using the Stormreaver as a tank.

    What I don't get is why Turbine keeps fixing stuff that wasn't broken. People LOVED the original FOT before they added the stupid BOOOOOOM! and the ghost-dragons coming back (yeah! More stupid kiting! just what this game needs!). We've learned to tolerate those stupid changes and yet they feel the need to add more?

    If somebody wants to spend 2 hours soloing a raid using the reaver as a tank WHO CARES. let them, don't let your ego as a game designer get in the way of fun content. You made a great raid as it was initially released and you then add artificial un-fun mechanics for no apparent reason.

    Maybe it is a good thing Turbine is no longer in the raid business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rest View Post
    Petition to rename him to The Coyle Green Giant, since he is about as useful as teats on a boar, and you have to babysit him.
    I could find teats on a boar to be quite amusing.

    Don't judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    I noticed there was a change with this fall of truth raid. Didn't see anything in release notes about it. Why not?

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    So can he die actually ? = fail ?
    "Tank " ( erm, I mean furyshot, then pike + cocoon for 5 mins till party gets TO to sliver ) him often on monkchergimp and just thought I never seen him drop that low ( ~ 1/5 ish health ) before.

    Another thing, is it just me or there is " undocumented " change to EH Reaver ( or TO too ) melee damage ?
    Before u19, cocoon was well enough ( ~ 25 ish runs ) and never was in danger, he used to hit for 60 - 70, last 2 runs it was easily doubled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patang01 View Post
    Another 'escort' raid. Why do Turbine feel like they have to make raids more miserable?
    Thanks for my new signature!

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    I haven't run FoT since U19.1, but that sounds just idiotic. So, basically, if things go wrong, half the party gets blasted and die, you'll auto fail because u're not constantly dps'ing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    I just figured people would do the raid to see the change.
    Did an EE FOT last night. While we had some amusing deaths due to people not really paying attention and getting blasted by dragon breath, we never had more than half the party dead at any one time. I simply doubt most groups will ever see this.
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