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    I want raids. I like raids, I want more and more raids.

    Make 5 raids, each incredibly difficult (actually require teamwork, impossible to solo) one for each different element. The Fire raid would give special Fire weapons (the best of which would be something like an upgraded EXuum), which in turn make the Ice raid easier because everything is vulnerable to fire. But make all the powerful weapons super hard to pull, like the drop rates in CITW right now. And make them that way from the beginning, don't make it easy then take it away from us later.

    Also, I want to see Amrath expanded upon. MAKE US FIGHT THE FALLEN ARCHON!!!! Give us 2 raids for that, actually. 1 to fight the fallen Archon and the other one like the old tank and spank raids for the thing kept in the Dungeon on the Amrath island. Give demonic loot, stuff with curses and high dps with drawbacks. Sword that does as much dps against any other weapon in the game, but does greater vicious damage and increase damage taken by 5%? Mmmm smexy.

    Then give us a 6 man quest where we have to fight off waves of the demon armies. Don't make it like DA though, make it so it doesn't end until we die. Then keep a record of who got the farthest per server. You KNOW that would make for some extreme competition among players which I think would liven up the game for a bit. Don't give it a difficulty, just make the waves get ever so stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by My2Cents View Post
    -> They did not ask -US- to choose, they said -THEY- had to choose, and it would include player feedback. The original post did not say they were forced to chose one or the other, they could choose to invest in something entirely different.
    Yep.

    It is very clear he does not understand the context of "we" in Rowans post.

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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    Just the next system they decide to make, and leave half finished.
    If all it ever amounts to is a 3D bank tab, I'll be happy.

    However, if it does not amount to at least that, I don't want it.

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    Why is player "housing" even a thing? Seriously *** are we little kids who need to pretend to have a home? Player housing in a game like DDO is absolutely freakin idiotic. WE DO NOT NEED PLAYER HOUSING PLEASE STOP LISTENING TO THE MENTAL MIDGETS AND LET US JUST PLAY SOME D&D.

    That means QUESTS and forced partying (yes, forced, because I am sick of the absolute BS that's rampant in all servers with privately organized parties). This game may as well be done. I don't have a problem with the power creep or the twinking of just about everything to make it newbie friendly, but player housing as any sort of serious conversation regarding how this game is developing belies an inherent lack of 1. ever actually playing D&D and 2. creative direction of any sort. And if you had a DM that was all about your housing options, well I'm sorry, you learned D&D from a complete fool and in turn have become a complete tool, kindly shove your stupid house so far up you rear that you choke on your carpeting.

    If I wanted to play house, I'd play house in a game about playing house (or, you know, get a house (which is a terrible idea and not advisable unless you're raising a family or a sadomasochist)). This is a game about being a hero, and being a hero doesn't focus on the malarchy of domestic issues and extraneous **** like what set of drapes goes with your ugly living room set.

    As far as a new class, why? What's the point? We have all of the major archetypes and both major flavor variants (FvS & Artificer). We're done. Give us more stuff to kill and more epic things to do. Decorating a house is not only not epic, it's the epitome of boring and mundane. Get some damn imaginations for crying out loud.

    I've been on the fence about dropping my sub for a little bit and the recent flop of a paid expansion (that NOBODY wants to run) combined with word of any talk at all about "housing" is seriously pushing my buttons in such a way that I pretty much have no desire at all to log in, coming from a DDO addict (look at the reg date, just look at it).

    I love love love the character customization options and gameplay of this game, it's focus on putting social interactions fairly forefront by having an un-cluttered interface and a noticeable chat windows/highly effective voice chat system. But damn guys, housing? Another useless class (ooh, ninja, yay, I can be a rogue, but only wearing cloth armor, what a crazy departure from what already exists in game)?. Pull your damn heads out of your azzes and give me something EPIC and ENTHRALLING that makes me go "whoa" when I see it. Like when the Vault of Night first came out. Not some pre-school nonsense like a house with DDO-store bought trash to gussy it up for all of NOBODY who will never see it. Fix up the LFM system and ditch the private channels. They're a plague. Hell, guilds were the worst idea a long time ago, if people wanna play together they will play together but giving people the option to exclude everyone else in the entire game at all times is stupid from the point of view needed in an MMO. MMOs NEED player interaction, and right now there is jack squat unless you're already established. How stupid is that? If I wanted to play a cool fantasy RPG and not be bothered by the randomness of humanity I'd still be playing Skyrim, plus I can have a bloody sh!thole house in Skyrim that's about as useful as a cork in my arze. I can even fill it up with every non-dissolving dead body in the game and it's still a fake house in a game otherwise about having fun being something more and better than what I could ever be in real life, that's what these games are about. Not creating some faux life where your broke self can actually afford a place to live whilst gaming away in your dingy basement avoiding your mom & dad even though you're 30.

    Even the idea of player housing is a travesty, eff all of that and eff every single one of you who think it's a good idea. Here's a game for you house lovers now get the hell out of my damn game and make your insipid house you senseless wastes of skin.
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    Oh wait, I seem to recall the extensive length Homer went through to explain and describe Odysseus' home and furnishings. What's that? Never happened? Because that's not EPICLY HEROIC?

    NO SH!T IT'S NOT EPICLY HEROIC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firepants View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firepants View Post
    Why is player "housing" even a thing? Seriously.....
    Amen.

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    I completely understood the context of "we" that was never something I disagreed with. . .

    The fact you continue to ignore and I will continue to post upon, is that he also said, ". . .let us know.

    I repeat the statement, how are we able to let them know if we don't understand the implications of both choices?

    The part that is unambiguous is, they want our feedback. . .and it cannot be properly given until they "let US know"!

    That is why Producer Rowan said, ". . .let us know"

    You tell me us the temperature of the tub and I will tell you if I want to get in. . .we need a little vague information though.

    I am not asking for promises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firepants View Post
    ...whilst gaming away in your dingy basement avoiding your mom & dad even though you're 30.
    Um... Excuse me!? I'm 38, tyvm!
    Now excuse me while I wander off to arm myself with Grilled Cheese Sandwiches and hunker down behind my Armored Beer Refrigerator, while I have the UFO's take control of the Congresional Wives with the help of the International Cocaine Smugglers and the Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philibusta View Post
    Samurai and Knights are just more specific flavors of Fighter.
    As are Barbarians, Paladins and Monks...
    You guys filibustering a new mode have already succeeded in scaring the Dev's into not doing it the right way and re-scaling the existing settings, why in the world are you still filibustering? Drunk on your success? Schadenfreude? Spitefulness?

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    If someone has to jump in and test the water, it might as well be me. . .maybe there is a subtlety to forum posting that I am just not suited for. . .

    I do want to apologize for any harsh words. . .but I do not like things being blatantly misrepresented. . .it angers me greatly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firepants View Post
    Why is player "housing" even a thing? Seriously *** are we little kids who need to pretend to have a home? Player housing in a game like DDO is absolutely freakin idiotic. WE DO NOT NEED PLAYER HOUSING PLEASE STOP LISTENING TO THE MENTAL MIDGETS AND LET US JUST PLAY SOME D&D.

    That means QUESTS and forced partying (yes, forced, because I am sick of the absolute BS that's rampant in all servers with privately organized parties). This game may as well be done. I don't have a problem with the power creep or the twinking of just about everything to make it newbie friendly, but player housing as any sort of serious conversation regarding how this game is developing belies an inherent lack of 1. ever actually playing D&D and 2. creative direction of any sort. And if you had a DM that was all about your housing options, well I'm sorry, you learned D&D from a complete fool and in turn have become a complete tool, kindly shove your stupid house so far up you rear that you choke on your carpeting.

    If I wanted to play house, I'd play house in a game about playing house (or, you know, get a house (which is a terrible idea and not advisable unless you're raising a family or a sadomasochist)). This is a game about being a hero, and being a hero doesn't focus on the malarchy of domestic issues and extraneous **** like what set of drapes goes with your ugly living room set.

    As far as a new class, why? What's the point? We have all of the major archetypes and both major flavor variants (FvS & Artificer). We're done. Give us more stuff to kill and more epic things to do. Decorating a house is not only not epic, it's the epitome of boring and mundane. Get some damn imaginations for crying out loud.

    I've been on the fence about dropping my sub for a little bit and the recent flop of a paid expansion (that NOBODY wants to run) combined with word of any talk at all about "housing" is seriously pushing my buttons in such a way that I pretty much have no desire at all to log in, coming from a DDO addict (look at the reg date, just look at it).

    I love love love the character customization options and gameplay of this game, it's focus on putting social interactions fairly forefront by having an un-cluttered interface and a noticeable chat windows/highly effective voice chat system. But damn guys, housing? Another useless class (ooh, ninja, yay, I can be a rogue, but only wearing cloth armor, what a crazy departure from what already exists in game)?. Pull your damn heads out of your azzes and give me something EPIC and ENTHRALLING that makes me go "whoa" when I see it. Like when the Vault of Night first came out. Not some pre-school nonsense like a house with DDO-store bought trash to gussy it up for all of NOBODY who will never see it. Fix up the LFM system and ditch the private channels. They're a plague. Hell, guilds were the worst idea a long time ago, if people wanna play together they will play together but giving people the option to exclude everyone else in the entire game at all times is stupid from the point of view needed in an MMO. MMOs NEED player interaction, and right now there is jack squat unless you're already established. How stupid is that? If I wanted to play a cool fantasy RPG and not be bothered by the randomness of humanity I'd still be playing Skyrim, plus I can have a bloody sh!thole house in Skyrim that's about as useful as a cork in my arze. I can even fill it up with every non-dissolving dead body in the game and it's still a fake house in a game otherwise about having fun being something more and better than what I could ever be in real life, that's what games are about. Not creating some faux life where your broke self can actually afford a place to live whilst gaming away in your dingy basement avoiding your mom & dad even though you're 30.

    Even the idea of player housing is a travesty, eff all of that and eff every single one of you who think it's a good idea. Here's a game for you house lovers now get the hell out of my damn game and make your insipid house you senseless wastes of skin.

    Apparently someone's forgotten that in AD&D 1st AND 2nd Edition, when a character reaches around 9th or 10th level, they should be establishing themselves as a local figure of some sort, and are usually granted lands (and title in some cases), by local rulers. This is usually accompanied by some kind of keep (for warrior types) tower (for wizards) or guildhouse (for rogues). Hey......guess what that is? PLAYER HOUSING!!!

    Now, that said, I'm also against the idea. In DDO, anyway. Because it wouldn't come with any of the additional (often adventure-provoking) things that it does in PnP. Like saving the peasants form some bandit tribe. Or the theives' guild (led by the PC) infiltrating the local government structure to bring down a despotic ruler. Or whatever.

    oh and....LMAO....forced grouping??? Good luck with that. The last thing some of us need in this game is to HAVE to run a chaotic cluster**** of a quest with 5 other people running every which way without any direction or organization or strategy. Had my fill of that thanks. Gave up on it. Thats why I'm chiefly a solo player now.
    All that is wrong with DDO, life, taxes, poltics, religion, music, fast food, education, the criminal justice system, the weather, society, the universe, and previously-discontinued-but-now-on-their-way-back snack cakes, is all the fault of Wizards of the Coast. I know this because Fred told me so, and Mind Flayers are smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronClan View Post
    As are Barbarians, Paladins and Monks...
    Exactly, we have enough classes. GIVE US MORE COOL EPIC THINGS TO DO, otherwise what the heck is the point of me grinding all of this gear and all of these improved stat mods if I can't show it off? I can tool around in the Stormhorns and fight wolves, freaking wolves, with more hit points than most player characters in the game. Who thought THAT was what someone at level 25 wanted to do? Who? I'd like a name so I can send them a pile of sh!t in a box with a nice bright red bow. Ooooh, I can fight middling NPCs with stupendously inflated hit point values, gasp, that's some hellacious game design, let me tell you.

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    If I had to vote, I'd vote for housing. USEFUL housing. With storage, teleporters and shinies.
    With new lootgen most stuff from raids is outdated, underpowered now. Housing, if well made, would probably need less effort from Turbine over time to maintain and improve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post
    The fact you continue to ignore and I will continue to post upon, is that he also said, ". . .let us know.
    did the previous 3 threads not give enough peoples opinions?
    I repeat the statement, how are we able to let them know if we don't understand the implications of both choices?
    I think the implications are easy to tell,

    housing = worthless fluff

    raids = something to do rather than look for a new game

    Also stop calling those that disagree with you trolls like you do in the post after this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firepants View Post
    ..snip..
    Don't hold back man.. tell us how you really feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post
    I do not like things being blatantly misrepresented. . .it angers me greatly.
    Haha

    Hahaha

    Hahahahahahahahaha

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    ...wait... what? You're serious? You mean like your misrepresenting what Rowan was asking for, or what your detractors have had to say?
    Now excuse me while I wander off to arm myself with Grilled Cheese Sandwiches and hunker down behind my Armored Beer Refrigerator, while I have the UFO's take control of the Congresional Wives with the help of the International Cocaine Smugglers and the Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philibusta View Post
    Apparently someone's forgotten that in AD&D 1st AND 2nd Edition, when a character reaches around 9th or 10th level, they should be establishing themselves as a local figure of some sort, and are usually granted lands (and title in some cases), by local rulers. This is usually accompanied by some kind of keep (for warrior types) tower (for wizards) or guildhouse (for rogues). Hey......guess what that is? PLAYER HOUSING!!!

    Now, that said, I'm also against the idea. In DDO, anyway. Because it wouldn't come with any of the additional (often adventure-provoking) things that it does in PnP. Like saving the peasants form some bandit tribe. Or the theives' guild (led by the PC) infiltrating the local government structure to bring down a despotic ruler. Or whatever.
    Quote Originally Posted by Philibusta View Post
    Apparently someone's forgotten that in AD&D 1st AND 2nd Edition, when a character reaches around 9th or 10th level, they should be establishing themselves as a local figure of some sort, and are usually granted lands (and title in some cases), by local rulers. This is usually accompanied by some kind of keep (for warrior types) tower (for wizards) or guildhouse (for rogues). Hey......guess what that is? PLAYER HOUSING!!!
    No, I didn't forget it, we just didn't do it. Why? BECAUSE HAVING AND MANAGING A HOUSEHOLD IS NOT FUN. If your DM did that, and encouraged you to do it, then I am sorry, you missed the actual fun in D&D in lieu of making it a place holder for your miserable life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Philibusta View Post
    oh and....LMAO....forced grouping??? Good luck with that. The last thing some of us need in this game is to HAVE to run a chaotic cluster**** of a quest with 5 other people running every which way without any direction or organization or strategy. Had my fill of that thanks. Gave up on it. Thats why I'm chiefly a solo player now.
    THEN GO PLAY SKYRIM IF YOU DO NOT WANT PEOPLE MESSING UP YOUR GAME. Seriously. Get that poisonous mindset the fuq out of a multiplayer game. You do not belong here, move along. Here's the link to Barbie's Home Makeover again: http://www.barbie.com/activities/friends/myhouse/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panserbjorne View Post
    If someone has to jump in and test the water, it might as well be me. . .but I seem to think there is a relationship between forumites and trolls. . .maybe there is a subtlety to forum posting that I am just not suited for. . .

    I do want to apologize for any harsh words. . .but I do not like things being blatantly misrepresented. . .it angers me greatly.
    report the posts that violate forum rules ...some people are I.T.G.s....the forum mods exist to pull thier cards

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    Quote Originally Posted by HernandoCortez View Post
    If I had to vote, I'd vote for housing. USEFUL housing. With storage, teleporters and shinies.
    With new lootgen most stuff from raids is outdated, underpowered now. Housing, if well made, would probably need less effort from Turbine over time to maintain and improve.
    That already exists, it's called your guild ship. We need guild ships AND a senseless house that is a money and time sink as well?

    here ya go:
    http://www.barbie.com/activities/friends/myhouse/
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