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    Quote Originally Posted by viktorserak View Post
    And the LFM that someone reported (Looking for A, I am B), may I just ask why would you even report that? seriously, what is the potential danger of that?
    There weren't enough details but if <name> = their real life full name (first and sur) then there could be danger in that (imagine that guy who gets way too bent out of shape over passing loot to guildies showing up at your house :/). If it was simply "Looking for Jake, this is Henry" then not so much as I have totally created instances in other games with my buddy that had either his or my first name in the title.

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    how funny is when ppl dont get any benefit out of things..

    I understant the rules and i was once just like you.. .. back then I started a guild and was thinking ways to promote the guild and start recruiting.. i knew the LFM was agains the rules.. and i did not post there.. instead used the forums and general chat.. (it was a really poor experience.. )

    unfortunetely DDO do not provide easy good ways to trade or announce stuff in game.. and we have to relly on forums and other stuff that somehow affect around 10%+- of the population of the server..

    so back to the point after that.. i realize that what this ppl are doing is trying to use what they have given.. and from that moment i tend to be more tolerant with those sort of situation.. perhaps even GMs know their lack of that matter and also take it easy on those ppl..

    so.. next time u see one of those.. try count to 10 and say.. "goooooooossssfrabaaaaaa"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaken View Post
    I know the GM will delete my post and perhaps an infraction again but still -

    Becareful what you report unless you don't mind getting banned from playing for a few days.
    IMO, most GMs are in cahoots with the players.

    I reported once about a LFM stating "You guys sxxks. I am the strongest in this game - open for lvl 1 - 20" and I was banned from logging into the game after that for a few days. Reason ? The GM that banned me said there is no such LFM and I am making it up.

    I reported once again for another LFM that states "Looking for <name>. I am <name> - open for lvl 1 - 20". And once again I was banned. Reason ? The GM said the LFM was for a quest.

    There are many more and obviously I was banned each time I report such cases. What do you think ?
    Sounds like someone has gotten under the skin of the great voice in the sky with all the frivolous tickets. I think in the 5+ years I've played DDO I have reported a player zero times. ZERO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wraxzz View Post
    Since I have started playing DDO some years ago, there has occasionally (about 1 per week) been a player using the LFM-interface, which I understand is for purely LFM purposes (even if it is for pvp in a tavern and not just grouping for quests), for what I see as 'possible personal gain' and misuse, of course assuming that I have the correct idea of what LookingForMembers means.

    Having just read (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...When-to-Ignore) I've done some forum searches like "lfm abuse" and didn't come up with anything that answers my concern. What I want to know is if reporting players that use the LFM to, among others, buy, trade or recruit for guilds, is possible and encouraged- there are few things so annoying on DDO as doing a skim read of the entire LFM for specific quests and having a plinth of text that interrupts just to read "WTT blue scales for black, 1-1 rate, no scamirs or nobs plz".

    I apologize if I am posting this in the incorrect section, yet the general discussion seemed the most appropriate. Also, if answering, please refrain from passing opinions- references to official text may be appreciated.

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    Actually it is entirely against the rules to use the lfm for trades. I first learned this first hand some years ago when I myself was trying to use it to swap a few scales i had some blues id aquired in a trade and was trying to swap them for some whites.

    Shortly after a gm came on and warned me firmly that using the lfm for anything but letting players know about a quest group to join is fully against the rules of the game.

    Infact the way I had to layed down to me is using the LFM for anything except a welcoming active quest please join type is against the rules, but the GM admitted the problem is just so out of hand its pretty much the only thing GMs get to do is warn people they are abusing the lfm, ban people for it, and move on. I actually suspect this is a huge cause to people quitting the game, as when a newb gets hit for just following what they see as the SoP for the way people use tools like the LFM, and then seem to be picked on by the GMs may well lead to them feeling like another in this thread, like there is some kind of active GM cabal favoring certain in game groups.

    So as far as I know, from what I have been told by a GM, any LFM that is not an open and friendly to all LFM, ie any restrictors for those would be joiners, is actually also against the rules. The Devs nor the GMs encourage all the isolating factors we use, nor meant for the game to cater to such a wide variety of play styles. leading to this endless clash, in game grief, and general sense of frustration about the games distinct lack of direction.

    Its too afraid these days to outright tell anyone of us we dont belong, even though making that hard line stance of saying this game is meant for this type of gamer, the rest need to move on would probably do wonders in the long run if the game could survive the short term apocalypse such a choice would bring about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st0rmcr0vv View Post
    is there an official policy posted somewhere about what is and is not acceptable use of the social panel\lfm? If so please link to it.

    I find it strange how sensitive people are to this. I figured people would (like i do) treat them just like any other lfm posting that they weren't interested in.
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    this is a friendly reminder to players regarding lfg and lfm:

    Please do not add buy, sell, or trade messages in the lfg and lfm comment areas. They directly impact players who are trying to use the lfg and lfm areas for their intended purpose: looking for group and looking for more messages.

    You can post buy/sell/trade messages on the appropriate server marketplace threads found under the servers sub-forum. You can also join one of the user created chat channels to trade; check with your local server-mates for the popular trade channels. Of course, you can use the auction house to actively seek nifty loot, or sell that prized tasty ham you might still have in your backpack.

    Gms will ask you to remove lfg and lfm messages not consistent with their intended use, and continued misuse of the lfg and lfm areas will be considered violations of the code of conduct.

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    The looking for a specific player lfm that Jaken posted about I would say is allowed but the other one should have been the other player getting banned. Try taking screenshots of before reporting to appeal if nessacary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaken View Post
    I know the GM will delete my post and perhaps an infraction again but still -

    Becareful what you report unless you don't mind getting banned from playing for a few days.
    IMO, most GMs are in cahoots with the players.

    I reported once about a LFM stating "You guys sxxks. I am the strongest in this game - open for lvl 1 - 20" and I was banned from logging into the game after that for a few days. Reason ? The GM that banned me said there is no such LFM and I am making it up.

    I reported once again for another LFM that states "Looking for <name>. I am <name> - open for lvl 1 - 20". And once again I was banned. Reason ? The GM said the LFM was for a quest.

    There are many more and obviously I was banned each time I report such cases. What do you think ?
    I have never even gotten a warning for reporting a post if you retyped what was written you might get in trouble but I just report improper lfm in the text and never have gotten even a hey from a gm but 99% the post gets taken down including guild and trade ones.

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    To the OP if you think a lfm is wrong just report it and go one I usually report them for harassment and that works best.

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    Thanks for the contributions and opinions from everyone thus far. I have read some interesting replies, some replies that I agree with and some entirely absurd references to freudian slips, but nevertheless I appreciate all feedback.

    Hendrik's last post linking to https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...53#post1031853 was exactly what I was looking for. I'm guessing the reason this didn't turn up as a search result was due to the thread title vs. my search parameters. Kosmo could not have said how I perceive trade/recruitment lfm's any better:
    "Please do not add buy, sell, or trade messages in the LFG and LFM comment areas. They directly impact players who are trying to use the LFG and LFM areas for their intended purpose: LOOKING FOR GROUP and LOOKING FOR MORE messages."

    One interesting point made by Viktorserak (Mister Freudian what-what =] ) is the common LFM posts for shroud altar ship invites- until now this has not been something that bothered me (veteran courtesy?) and I have also joined the group once or twice to help such players out. I didn't even pay attention to realize that that also constitutes for LFM misuse. Uska's advice for reporting a suspected LFM misuse by just saying something like "improper LFM" with a screeny perhaps.

    I understand that what may bother one player may be benign to another and vice versa. My own motivation for my "vigilant tendencies" is probably due to the fact that my country is tainted with corruption and and crime and here in my breakaway world I don't take lightly to rule breaking. With that said, feel free to continue the discussion on this topic and I will pop in now and then and reply should I see something intriguing.

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    In years past I used to report these all of the time. I don't now simply because I very rarely use the LFM Panel anymore. I know some folks don't mind them and are just as happy to ignore them, but in my eyes it is just as obnoxious as spam. And there was a point in time where the quantity and frequency we used to get on Khyber was... impressive. Without community and GM response the LFM Panel would *quickly* become overrun with that garbage. 1 in 20 isn't too bad, but if it were 20 in 40 it would be... well... obnoxious.

    As far as GM push-back goes, I have never encountered any. However, it might just be a phrasiology thing. I used to send in tickets that were "X appears to be trading via the LFM" or "Y has an LFM up that might be deemed abusive" and let the GM make the call. And I have seen instances where they have chosen to ignore it, as in my ticket was closed and the LFM remained.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLegendOfAra View Post
    Maybe the GM's just don't like dealing with people who report others for stupid reasons?

    I don't see the problem here at all.
    These type of LFM's are rare enough(at most usually 1-2 a week in my experience on Argo) and do not impact me in my ability to play the game in any way at all. I don't see any issue with people using the LFM system to try to make trades(even if it is stupidly ineffective), or trying to find a particular person(This one is just ridiculous to report someone for.).

    Now, LFM's that are offensive(IE the one example you gave of "You guys Suck" or whatever.) should be reported, but why waste a GM's time, and your own because someone used an LFM in a way you wouldn't?

    I normally don't report such but there was really quite a number of nonsense LFMs a couple of months back flooding at certain timings. It's no longer just a 5cm scroll anymore.

    "but why waste a GM's time, and your own because someone used an LFM in a way you wouldn't?" - why waste a cop's time, and your own because someone (perhaps 8 or more?) was walking naked outside your house in a way you wouldn't?

    Remember, there are also kids playing this game. I am not sure about yours but I definitely wouldn't like mine to see certain things appearing on the LFMs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wraxzz View Post
    Since I have started playing DDO some years ago, there has occasionally (about 1 per week) been a player using the LFM-interface, which I understand is for purely LFM purposes (even if it is for pvp in a tavern and not just grouping for quests), for what I see as 'possible personal gain' and misuse, of course assuming that I have the correct idea of what LookingForMembers means.

    Having just read (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...When-to-Ignore) I've done some forum searches like "lfm abuse" and didn't come up with anything that answers my concern. What I want to know is if reporting players that use the LFM to, among others, buy, trade or recruit for guilds, is possible and encouraged- there are few things so annoying on DDO as doing a skim read of the entire LFM for specific quests and having a plinth of text that interrupts just to read "WTT blue scales for black, 1-1 rate, no scamirs or nobs plz".

    I apologize if I am posting this in the incorrect section, yet the general discussion seemed the most appropriate. Also, if answering, please refrain from passing opinions- references to official text may be appreciated.

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    Oops. Didn't know that would upset some people. And no idea it was against the "rules".

    I once posted "would like to trade black and white scales for blue" or something to that effect - filled in seconds. Literally, 15 seconds. Anyways, last guy to join didn't get the trade he wanted, so I told him "hey, it worked for me. Just post that you need it." "No," he writes, "I won't use the lfm for that."

    Uh, I'm thinking, you just joined mine

    Anyways, if that's bad, what we need instead of a trade channel is an lfm-like panel for trades. Nothing would be better than a visual trade page.

    Ok, that's an exaggeration. Some things would be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaken View Post
    I normally don't report such but there was really quite a number of nonsense LFMs a couple of months back flooding at certain timings. It's no longer just a 5cm scroll anymore.

    "but why waste a GM's time, and your own because someone used an LFM in a way you wouldn't?" - why waste a cop's time, and your own because someone (perhaps 8 or more?) was walking naked outside your house in a way you wouldn't?

    Remember, there are also kids playing this game. I am not sure about yours but I definitely wouldn't like mine to see certain things appearing on the LFMs.
    Who cares if people are walking around naked?

    I mean, I guess if they suffer from a mental disorder and need help. Otherwise, not a big deal, naked people. We're all naked under our clothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaken View Post
    "but why waste a GM's time, and your own because someone used an LFM in a way you wouldn't?" - why waste a cop's time, and your own because someone (perhaps 8 or more?) was walking naked outside your house in a way you wouldn't?
    Remember, there are also kids playing this game. I am not sure about yours but I definitely wouldn't like mine to see certain things appearing on the LFMs.
    I wouldn't waste a cops time for such a small thing.
    That is, unless said people were walking around on my property. Then I'd call the police for Trespassing(if they didn't leave after I asked them of course.)

    Kids need to not be so sheltered these days.
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    Perhaps its a norm thing at your end to have crazy people doing those things and also not to protect your 8 years old kid but not at my end even though we can do it and we are not doing it.

    Having a massive amount of non LFM on the sceen with GMs not looking into it and some of the helpful players trying to keep it the way it should, will be the day I hear people start complaining on party chat during questing everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaken View Post
    Perhaps its a norm thing at your end to have crazy people doing those things and also not to protect your 8 years old kid but not at my end even though we can do it and we are not doing it.
    Even though this whole discussion is pretty off topic, what exactly am I supposed to be protecting them from exactly?
    I'm not judging you or any other parents, especially since I can't ever have children myself, but I've always failed to understand what people mean when they say they are "protecting them". From what, exactly?

    What could be so bad in an LFM that you have to protect your children from it? Nothing!

    At some point you have to let your children experience the world, and if you think that it's to early for them to to that, then they should not be playing an MMO, unless it's in a group with you, and you alone.(or family friends you can trust to be around your kids)
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    Anything that is used outside of its intended purpose is considered harassment. A long time ago trade and joke lfms were a problem and Turbine announced it was harassment and to report it. This includes trade channel, advice channel, lfm, lfg, etc. Regardless of how you feel about it it is against the code of conduct. You don't have to report it if you don't want to but know if you break the rules someone else can report you and you may suffer consequences.

    As far as 8 year old kids playing, the game is ESRB rated teen. There are rules on what the teen rating allows and if you choose to let your children play at a younger age that is your choice. Don't report things that abide to the ESRB rules because you choose to ignore the rating. LFM's can be against the code of conduct but that doesn't make them against the ESRB rating. To go from teen to mature it would need to have strong language or sexual language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wraxzz View Post
    One interesting point made by Viktorserak (Mister Freudian what-what =] ) is the common LFM posts for shroud altar ship invites- until now this has not been something that bothered me (veteran courtesy?) and I have also joined the group once or twice to help such players out. I didn't even pay attention to realize that that also constitutes for LFM misuse.
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    Heh, I wasnt talking about Freudian slips, but about Freudian stages :-)

    Anyway, the point I was raising - LFMs are used outside the classical LFM idea on daily basis. Be it LFM for raid that says only this and that guild (and friends) or its me, looking for that one certain person, rest of you dont join. Are these violations? Hard to tell, but I dont mind them, unlike some people obviously. Then there are Altar invites, that are obviously against the idea of LFM, but it seems nobody actually cares about those (or very few ppl do). Add in trade LFMs, Guild LFMs (both ways) and Help - I need advice LFMs. It may sounds like a LOT of stuff, but generally, as i play on Cannith , I must say that I really see just one or two per day top. And there are many days when I dont see any (then again, I am not online 24/7).

    PPl on this forum are often weeping over the fact, that the game is new player unfriendly. I partially agree and as such I am doing three things to help "new ppl". 1. I post "newbies welcome" LFM for quests (and sometimes I give away basic gear after the quest run), 2. I advice ppl via channels when they ask. 3. I either ignore/join LFMs that are asking for advice (lets face it, only newbie posts Need help LFM and I am not going to report the poor soul for that), scroll down those that are looking for guild or offering a membership (those new ppl/guilds need some space to grow) and I have a good feeling for doing so.
    Then again, I do admit that there is really now good excuse for tarde LFM. Then again, I simply dont care enough to bother with its removal, since its rare.

    And yeah - DDO is not part of your country. No need to behave like home in every sense of that term :-)

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    Unless an LFM is specifically calling out a particular player or guild (i.e. "don't group with playerX, they are noobtastic") or something equally aggressive, reporting trade/guild recruiting/ship altar LFMs is just obnoxious tattling.

    Reporting non-quest LFMs will not increase the amount of "good" LFMs. Use the scroll bar on the panel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancisP.Fancypants View Post
    Unless an LFM is specifically calling out a particular player or guild (i.e. "don't group with playerX, they are noobtastic") or something equally aggressive, reporting trade/guild recruiting/ship altar LFMs is just obnoxious tattling.

    Reporting non-quest LFMs will not increase the amount of "good" LFMs. Use the scroll bar on the panel.
    I respectfully disagree.
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