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    Default Sorc / Fvs/ Paladin - Ultimate magic missile spammer :)

    After the expansion pass i noticed my shiradi 18 sorc / 2 paladin is not as good as it was before. Sure it still was good in ee, was able to solo stuff, but there was noticable nerf to my dps.

    So i came up with this build, tested it today and it work very good, as there is no planer for new enchantment that i know i just post general split and general idea of build.

    Class split:

    13 sorc - all important spells, mm, chain m, force m, dots, aoe, recon, haste/rage/displacment. Can scroll all needed buffs and pick few other usefull spells (knock,invisi, lvl drain etc)

    2 paladin - with my charisma +18 to all saves, cant pass that

    5 favored soul - open angel tree wich bring a lot of spell power into build, spell power action boost, shield buff for -10% mob fort, even moar saves (fvs > sorc on saves) , more spell critical

    Starting stats (36 build)

    con: 18 +4 tome (need at least +3)
    int: 16 (for skills, and spellpower) +5 tome
    cha: 16 (all lvl ups here or con i prefer here) +5 tome

    Feats:

    Max/emp/quick/Force of Personality (a must another +18 to will save)/Toughness/Mental Toughness/Imp Mental Toughness/Epic Toughness/Epic Mental Toughness/Epic Reflex/Past life wiz if you can

    Skills:

    Max: Spellcraft, perform (yes for sonic spell power a big portion of shiradi proc is sonic), repair, concentration, rest in balance/jump/umd - whatever you want i gone with balance


    Points in enchantment trees:

    Racial: hp/fort
    Air savant: just as many to get wind dance
    Angel of Vengeance: Scourge and bonuses to it, all smiting line, spell power boost, 2x charisma, intense faith - put as many points as you can in this tree as every single point is 1% spell power

    Spells you want at cap:
    Magic Missile, Force Missile, Chain Missile, Ice storm, Cloudkill, Acid fog, reconstruct, knock, haste, rege, displacment, Ice dot, Elec dot, ddoor, Enervation

    Ed: Shiradi
    Twists (very important): Energy burst, endless faith, brace of impact/anything ocasional

    This build bring me to:

    800 hp
    3600 sp

    saves over 9000
    265 fort

    And dps so big that its silly

    When i find good planer for new enchantment system i try to repost this build as i think its very good and help to just rush trough ee content.

    Sorry for my english im not native english speaker.
    Just want to add that build is ,,ultimate mm spammer,, for me, im sure ppl build other great shiradi builds. Also someone recomended me split today with more fvs lvls and less sorc lvls for bb spam and it look very good also and for sure will try it.
    (I lost one space before Sorc / Fvs / Paladin in thread name seems cant fix that :P)

    Have fun all
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    Quote Originally Posted by wey4lust View Post
    After the expansion pass i noticed my shiradi 18 sorc / 2 paladin is not as good as it was before. Sure it still was good in ee, was able to solo stuff, but there was noticable nerf to my dps. So i came up with this build, tested it today and it work very good, as there is no planer for new enchantment that i know i just post general split and general idea of build.Class split:13 sorc - all important spells, mm, chain m, force m, dots, aoe, recon, haste/rage/displacment. Can scroll all needed buffs and pick few other usefull spells (knock,invisi, lvl drain etc)2 paladin - with my charisma +18 to all saves, cant pass that 5 favored soul - open angel tree wich bring a lot of spell power into build, spell power action boost, shield buff for -10% mob fort, even moar saves (fvs > sorc on saves) , more spell critical Starting stats (36 build)con: 18 +4 tome (need at least +3)int: 16 (for skills, and spellpower) +5 tome cha: 16 (all lvl ups here or con i prefer here) +5 tome Feats:Max/emp/quick/Force of Personality (a must another +18 to will save)/Toughness/Mental Toughness/Imp Mental Toughness/Epic Toughness/Epic Mental Toughness/Epic Reflex/Past life wiz if you canSkills:Max: Spellcraft, perform (yes for sonic spell power a big portion of shiradi proc is sonic), repair, concentration, rest in balance/jump/umd - whatever you want i gone with balancePoints in enchantment trees:Racial: hp/fortAir savant: just as many to get wind danceAngel of Vengeance: Scourge and bonuses to it, all smiting line, spell power boost, 2x charisma, intense faith - put as many points as you can in this tree as every single point is 1% spell powerEd: ShiradiTwists (very important): Energy burst, endless faith, brace of impact/anything ocasionalThis build bring me to:800 hp3600 spsaves over 9000265 fortAnd dps so big that its sillyWhen i find good planer for new enchantment system i try to repost this build as i think its very good and help to just rush trough ee content. Sorry for my english im not native english speaker.Just want to add that build is ,,ultimate mm spammer,, for me, im sure ppl build other great shiradi builds. Also someone recomended me split today with more fvs lvls and less sorc lvls for bb spam and it look very good also and for sure will try it. (I lost one space before Sorc / Fvs / Paladin in thread name seems cant fix that :P)Have fun all
    I woud think a 12sorc/6fvs/2pal split is bettr.

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    Tought about it also but i wanted 2 lvl 6 spells recon and acid fog, kitting mobs trough acid fog/ice storm/cloud kill is very effective
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    I got question why 13 sorc, as said 1 lvl 6 slot and also 1 extra lvl 5 and 4 slots, i need those to get all spells i wanted. And why not 2 monk, well it woud give evasion but saves woud go so much down that i prefer paladin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wey4lust View Post
    I got question why 13 sorc, as said 1 lvl 6 slot and also 1 extra lvl 5 and 4 slots, i need those to get all spells i wanted. And why not 2 monk, well it woud give evasion but saves woud go so much down that i prefer paladin.
    It is a very fun class mix. I have two questions:

    1. Why 5 fvs? It seems like you get most of the best stuff by FVS 2, and almost all of the remaining good stuff by FVS 4. What does 5 get you that 4 doesnt?

    2. Your use of acid fog suggest earth savant. Why not take advantage of the fire synergy with angel of vengence?

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    Hi to anwser your questions

    1: after 13 lvls of sorc i got all spell slots i wanted, after 2 paladin i got charisma to saves, and after 2 lvls of fvs i got all angel tree goodies. That leave 3 lvls to pick from any class, fvs is best choice as it give more hp than sorc, more saves than sorc but dont cuz my sp pool as woud pickin paladin lvls.

    2: No im air savant and that is for wind step anyway, spells i mostly cast are force (all missiles) and aoe spells (ice storm, cloud kill and acid fog) aoe spells produce shiradi proc, base dmg of aoe dont really count, if wall of fire coud stack with ice storm i prolly woud pick that also. I take advantage of fire synergy (as well as untyped and all others) from proc dmg as they are force/light/elemental)
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    Default Your're forgetting Scorching Ray

    What about Scorching Ray??

    It's more DPS than Force Missiles with a lower cost - PLUS with a few AP in the Fire Savant Tree you get Immolation - a fire based DoT that's very controllable (for FoT) as it has a 5 second timer, and it stacks up to 20 times - fun thing is that as the counter goes down, you lose 1 stack at a time rather than all at once. - Therefore, you have a (Max) 1 minute fire DoT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wey4lust View Post
    saves over 9000
    What are you worried about saving against? Warforged are immune to hold person, which is 90% of the enchantment spells cast in Shadowfell. Warforged also can't be petrified, which is the annoying spell you have to worry about during the EE What Goes Up end fight.
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    How are you finding this build now after a few days play ?
    Anything you would change ?
    Do you still consider this to be superior to a more traditional 18/2 split ?

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    Hi all

    Yes i find it a way superior to 18/2 build, in all ways.

    As for fire savant idea and ray its just waste of time for me, mm/fm/cm/mm sla are always off timer and spamming those is auto win, for me ray and that fire dot is more of flavor than need, also points in air savant for wings are absolute must have wings add more survial skill than any other thing. And points in angel tree add dps so no space for fire. And well i still run ee gh and wheloon/stormhorns and in gh fire is not effective

    I find all splits that include sorc/fvs/paladin good builds, i gone 13/5/2 just becouse it give me exact number of spells i want but

    12/6/2
    16/2/2

    and any other are good. As said you NEED 12 lvls of sorcerer 2 lvls of paladin 2 lvls of fvs, rest you pick as you like to play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    What are you worried about saving against? Warforged are immune to hold person, which is 90% of the enchantment spells cast in Shadowfell. Warforged also can't be petrified, which is the annoying spell you have to worry about during the EE What Goes Up end fight.
    Im not afraid of anything, but bigger saves the better, half dmg from spells/traps yes pls i take it why not if its fit build with no lose. Saves let you be clumsy, let you do that 1 mistake and rush into a trap, most important save for me is and always be reflex save, even with out evasion its very powerfull.
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    Hello everyone.
    I've been playing this game casually off and on(mostly off due to military)for about 4 yrs now. I tend to favor caster classes over melee or ranged toons so what i would like to ask is, what is a good basic build for a wf sorc?
    i don't have almost anything in the way of gear, and don't have the money to buy tomes all at the same time. i could do a +2 maybe a +3 fresh off the creation screen. I don't have any past lives, or alot of plat to get gear with.
    I like the idea of having really good saves with the pally splash, but just seeing the 13/5/2 split on this thread makes my head hurt trying to think of everything that goes with it.
    so with that being said. can anyone give me a planner for a good first life sorc build? (i.e at lvl feats,spells,enhancements,ect).I know the choice of spells and enhancements at lower lvl is all about what you like doing but since i dont have alot of experince playing casters, advice on synergy would be helpful.
    also i have assess to lvl7 32pt builds, but not the fvs class. I could buy it if needed though.
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    @vamps:

    If you have the epic destinies then a shiradi sorc is probably very well for a first life toon. The main problem is reaching the shiradi destiny after hitting 20.

    The shiradi sorc builds are very much the same for feat progression and feat choice, so you probably can just stick with this build. But since you have to reach shiradi after hitting 20 and you probably never played a shiradi caster I would suggest going 16sorc,2pala,2fvs. This offers the main benefit from the AoV enhancements, the + saves from pally and some more spells for playing like a usual sorc until you get to the shiradi destiny.
    Level progression would probably be, first levels sorc until you get firewall, then 2 paladin levels for the + saves and then again sorc until level 18 finishing off with 2 FvS to reach 20.
    Especially a casual and first life sorc is better off with higher saves than evasion, because evasion without a decent reflex save doesn't help at all. That's why I think paladin is superior than monk for a casual first life build. But if you really want evasion you might think about going 16wiz/2fvs/2monk.
    And even if wings are nice I would suggest to go fire sorc for scorching ray + the dot which can be applied by that. This way you can have a dot of every element for single target damage and/or boss fights.

    From the 16/2/2 split you can then decide if you want to splash a bit more fvs in your next life or if you want a bit more sorc spells and don't want the saves.
    The following thread has a nice build which focuses on fire instead of air and uses a 18/2 split, you can use this thread to follow the character creation and feat progression, but I would suggest to take 2 paladin levels after you got firewall.
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    @Shinjiteru
    Thank you shinjiteru.
    I changed the base ability scores for skill points.
    str:8
    dex:8
    con:18
    int:14 - only having 1 point per lvl up was killing my repair/perform/umd
    wis:8
    cha:16

    will the -2 con make a big difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wey4lust View Post
    As for fire savant idea and ray its just waste of time for me, mm/fm/cm/mm sla are always off timer and spamming those is auto win, for me ray and that fire dot is more of flavor than need, also points in air savant for wings are absolute must have wings add more survial skill than any other thing. And points in angel tree add dps so no space for fire. And well i still run ee gh and wheloon/stormhorns and in gh fire is not effective
    I made a bladeforged sorc18/pali2 the day I pre-bought tht pack. Bladeforged are very nice for that build BTW, the inherent reconstruct spell added to your book is on a different timer than your sorc reconstruct and that is very nice to have two easy buttons in a row if you are in a tight high damage situation.

    I maxed all the ED, just waiting for U20 so I can TR him to respec him, I think I will try the 5FVS idea sounds interesting. Now I've respec the sorc to every savant to check it out, although the elec wings thing is nice, I don't consider it a game killer not to have it. For the FVS build the fire savant will have the most possible DPS synergy (and yes, my sorc is fire right now for Mabar . So I don't agree with OP that fire is not the best, I think considering the damage and fire crit synergy it is at least on par with elec savant. And yes, FIRE works great on all stormhorns and wheelon content never had an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vamps696 View Post
    @Shinjiteru
    Thank you shinjiteru.
    I changed the base ability scores for skill points.
    str:8
    dex:8
    con:18
    int:14 - only having 1 point per lvl up was killing my repair/perform/umd
    wis:8
    cha:16

    will the -2 con make a big difference?
    Not to hijack or anything, but why are you taking perform on a sorc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guartwog View Post
    Not to hijack or anything, but why are you taking perform on a sorc?
    i believe perform affects sonic spells
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    After TR into iconic is possible, this would be possible as a 12/6/2 split on a Bladeforged (who has the recon SLA) regardless of element.
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    I kind of like my 14 Sorc / 4 FvS / 2 Mnk more. 14th level of Sorc gives you more SP than 5th FvS level, 2 Monk feats are Toughnesses, so you get more HP too. The first core in Henshin Mystic gives 1% Fire and Force crit and 5 Fire and Force spell power. 14 Sorc also gives lvl 7 spells, which don't really have anything that special for a shiradi, but Prismatic Spray can be funny at times. ^^ As for saves - after maxing CHA and CON I put the rest of points in INT, which not only gives me Spellcraft, but also lets me get some nice boost to saves from Insightful Reflexes. I'm running with 54 Reflex + Evasion, which I find good enough to not take any damage from spells/traps like 90% of the time. In my opinion no damage 90% of the time is better than half damage all the time lol.

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