You said "difference" but the math looks like you meant "sum" using those numbers in the example (the FoT counter wasn't shown in the example). The difference would be 29 or -29 depending on how the equation was written (-5 - 24 = -29 or 24 - -5 = 29). And the sum is 19 (-5 + 24 = 19). So I guess I'm still confused...
So currently if my character looks like this (which it does):
Fot: Heroic 0 / Epic 14
CitW: Heroic 15 / Epic 16
Does that mean I'm at 31 completions or 30? Or something else? I'm positive I am at least at 30 CitW completions so this seems about right. Therefore regardless, I should be able to run up to 8 CitW's without needing to call a GM or grab a jar of Vaseline?
Officer of the Platinum Knights of Cannith, Founder of the guild GHOSTBANE of Cannith
Main - Death - Completionist and then some...
Other Characters - Holy, Leap, War, Optimusprime, Intimitank, Lanfear, Can, Afkbiobrb, Garagesale, Leverpuller and many more
So no matter what we are stuck with this till next update. So if not even sure on counter numbers seems to me just don't run the character in raids if believe a 20 counter is close. The numbers are so screwy I haven't clue my CITW counters for my archer (16-18 area) and geuss char is set aside till this is fixed so don't miss or get shafted out of a 20 and chance at my Pinion.
Shouldn't have to not run something because a borked system was put in place, but that is just what will have to do.
Proud Officer of The Madborn
MY EPIC RUNS "THAT OCURRED BETWEEN MOTU AND SHADOWFELL" DON'T SHOW UP CORECTLY!
I feel very, very betrayed and don't think that this game deserves another cent of my money although I really, really like it.
So, you insert a new game mechanic that has absolutely no benefit for the players and even robs tem of their completions and you are not willing to do anything about it and tell me basically to eff myself. This is absolutely NOT correct.
This has no effect on me personally, but I really feel for players who have had their completion counts messed up.
It's absolutely baffling to me why they did this, and especially, why they did it now.
Since MotU was released my Arti has run over 20 Epic VONs, yet his raid counter is "The Vault of Night : Heroic: 38 / Epic : 1"
Please investigate further.
Ok, Turbine, I never had a level 20 character before MotU. I've only advancd to twenty and past in the last couple months with my primary character. A character that was created right after MotU's release with vet status 7, leveled to 8, promptly leveled to 16 with a Stone of experience, and who has slowly worked up the remaining 9 levels to 25 weeks before Shadowfell's release. So explain how I'm having THIS issue.
Against the Demon Queen : Heroic: 7 / Epic : 0
The Vault of Night : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 1
Caught in the Web : Heroic: 4 / Epic : 0
I NEVER ran ADQ before hitting epic levels and ALL my ADQ raid runs have been on Epic Normal or above. (I HAVE completed the pre-raid on Heroic to speed flag for a group that was ready for the raid.) Likewise with the Vault of Night. The final problem with my quest completions...HOW IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE to HAVE Heroic Caught in the Web completions?!?!?!? As far as Fall of Truth goes, I've not even attempted that yet.
I've always been one to rise up and defend Turbine, but this is just plain stupid, guys. C'mon, FIX it. And look into why Drow's Racial enhancement to SR isn't working right while you're at it, would ya?
Last edited by Hutoth; 08-30-2013 at 06:31 PM.
AUREON/ KEEPER 2006-2009 | CANNITH 2010 -
Anaplian, Csimian, Tengram, Hackworth, Memenah, Helekye, Nabberfleish
Brotherhood of the Wolf
All my Epic Zawabi's Revenge completions, including the one AFTER THE PATCH last night, are showing as Heroic.
All but 1 of my Epic VoN completions are showing as Heroic.
All but 1 of my Epic Chronoscope completions are showing as Heroic.
All but 1 of my LoB completions are showing as Heroic, when it should be about half and half between Heroic and Epic.
And it's not even something as simple as "Epic Elite counts as Epic and Epic Normal/Hard wrongly count at Heroic", which was one theory I heard. I have a number of EE DQs, but still only Heroic in the completion counter list.
This is such a cluster**** that what they need to do is scrap the new system entirely, revert to the old system, and give everybody 1 free 20th list since it seems like actually fixing it and sorting out who has the right completions is too difficult.
I TR'd my sorc Ciinder and was done with her TR two weeks before the update. Below is the list of my quest completions:
(Standard): Raid Completions:
Lines of Supply : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 0
The Tracker's Trap : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 0
Breaking the Ranks : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
A Break In the Ice : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
What Goes Up : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Friends in Low Places : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
A Lesson in Deception : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 0
Army of Shadow : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Through a Mirror Darkly : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Thrill of the Hunt : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Fall of Truth : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 7
Menace of the Underdark: The Queen of the Demonweb : Heroic: 4 / Epic : 0
Menace of the Underdark: City of Portals : Heroic: 3 / Epic : 0
Menace of the Underdark: The Darkening : Heroic: 2 / Epic : 0
Caught in the Web : Heroic: -5 / Epic : 7
The Lord of Blades : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Master Artificer : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Reign of Madness : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Harbinger of Madness : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Attack on Stormreach : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 0
The Chronoscope : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Last Stand : Heroic: 2 / Epic : 0
Into the Deep : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 0
The Claw of Vulkoor : Heroic: 2 / Epic : 0
Fathom the Depths : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 0
The Maleficent Cabal : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Sentinels of Stormreach : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Tide Turns : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Dreaming Dark : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Mindsunder : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 0
The Sharn Syndicate : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Devil You Know : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Stealer of Souls : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Prove Your Worth : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Legend of Two-Toed Tobias : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Ghost of a Chance : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
A Vision of Destruction : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Hound of Xoriat : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Thirteenth Eclipse : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Accursed Ascension : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Reaver's Fate : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Against the Demon Queen : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Twilight Forge : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Vault of Night : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Return to Delera's Tomb : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 0
The Abandoned Excavation : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Archbishop's Daughter : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Cult of the Six : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Assault on Splinterskull : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Lost Seekers : Heroic: 3 / Epic : 0
The Seal of Shan-To-Kor : Heroic: 1 / Epic : 0
The Fire Caves : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Garl's Tomb : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
The Scoundrel's Run : Heroic: 0 / Epic : 0
Ok the Supply lines were run on 8/28/13 EE shows Heroic, Trackers Trap was run 8/29/13 around 11pm CST on EH, shows heroic. And of course the ones that are from Eveningstar that can't be run on anything but Epic were before the update. I have played and paid for this game over 7 years and for Turbine to come out and state they will not be fixing some things is in terrible bad taste. It doesn't affect me as much as it does others, so I can take this in stride, but for the others: I feel sorry for them. You should too and do something about it by actually taking the time to correct the issues 100%. Fixing some things, while not addressing the others seems to me that the coders and technical team have either thrown their hands up, WB has said to you guys fix what you can and don't spend much time on it to minimize costs, or someone if not multiples of those in leadership at Turbine/WB doesn't care. Those in leadership at Turbine/WB should care for they are affecting their customers. Without customers they will not be getting paid their bonuses, nor will you guys have a job to do. I think the majority of you guys actually care about the game, the gamers(your customers), but whether you do or don't your jobs primarily is to ensure good customer service and maintain a desirable product for the consumers to spend their money on. I understand you guys have bosses, which have bosses, and so on but to ensure you have customers everyone from the customer service rep's to the President of Turbine/WB needs to take care of your customer base.
I have worked in Big companies and small ones. From mom and pop's to Multinational companies and the one thing that keeps them in business is #1 taking care of your customers #2 maximizing your profitability while keeping your attention to #1. Show everyone that is in the #1 category, which is you guys life's blood that you hear them and care about their time and money they spend playing what in most cases in their favorite game. Mine too!!! I again, know you guys care, but knowing and showing is different!
Krylor----Lauralinn----Thorriin----Hunii----Ciinder----Holdiin----Leader of Templar on Cannith
" You are not only yourself but everyone and everything around you!"
Caught in the Web : Heroic: 31 / Epic : 4
According to my own records I have run this 35 times which at least matches up and I even had a 20th list some time ago which had the usual stuff in it as one would expect (no Pinion though ) so what the hell does this mean now where the hell am I up to? All my other raid counters seem to make sense as far as I can tell which is something at least, if you are going to introduce this then at least remove QUESTS from the RAID completion list ffs!
So I just ran a Von5/6 on EH and checked the completions. It gave me 1 to Epic.
Problem is, they converted all of my previous Epic completions into Heroic, so essentially they STOLE 13 completions from me because I am obviously not going to be running heroic-leveled raids at cap.
This needs to be a TOP priority to fix this, or if they judge they cannot fix it in a timely manner some kind of compensation needs to be awarded to the players instead because many people (like me) were a few runs away from a list and now have to essentially start over. I am extremely disgusted with Turbine, and I know I am not alone in this.
OK - so I just looked at my list and, like others, it's completely borked.
Good news - nothing's close to a multiple of 20 for me and I'll just take it in stride.
CiTW Raid Loot requires 375 PDK favor to upgrade (which is really east to achieve now anyway)
Just a thought, instead of just berrating the gms and game designers, why not try making constructive remarks instead. Yes some people are gonna lose some work with the new system. O well, it happens with every patch. there is gear that changed with the new patch, my old unique loot with deathward isnt as effective as new DW. new DW is still cool though. It would be nice if they could track perfectly what everyone ran, but the system was not designed to do that yet. Since i could claim all my runs were epic elite, and they cant prove they weren't, they are doing the best they can with the data they have.
It sounds to me like a lot more Epic runs will be done with the new system instead of gaming it by running 19 heroic 1 epic for final reward. Makes sense to me. It also lets them add cool new Epic end rewards knowing that those that get them will have earned them. So I'm gonna be the only one to say, nice work on the new system, it sounds like it has potential. hope you put in some cool Epic 20th runs rewards too, since it will be far harder to get them.
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