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    Default Epic Raid loot for 20th completions?

    https://www.ddo.com/en/update-19-patch-1

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    Heroic and Epic raid completions are now tracked separately for the purposes of calculating special 20th completion end reward lists. Existing progress has been placed into the Heroic and Epic completion columns as appropriate.


    Say it's so!! Fully-made epic items in LOB/VON/DQ?

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    Time to try for an ESOS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atremus View Post
    Time to try for an ESOS?
    If they've done this they've just put a few raids back on the menu and expanded end-game.

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    I wonder how this will affect Lord of Blades and Master Artificer.

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    I read this as pure nerf.

    I.e. you can't just get rewards whenever your heroic + elite completions is a multiple of 20, now they are tallied separately - but still give the same rewards list we're used to regardless of if your heroic or elite completions has just hit a multiple of 20. Specifically, just affecting Chronoscope, LoB and MA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    https://www.ddo.com/en/update-19-patch-1
    Say it's so!! Fully-made epic items in LOB/VON/DQ?
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    This is a tech change at this point, but offering Heroic loot for heroic 20th completion lists and epic loot for Epic 20th completion lists is one of the reasons this change was made. Whether that becomes something offered in older raids, or is something that comes with future raids, will ultimately depend on various developmental decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    This is a tech change at this point, but offering Heroic loot for heroic 20th completion lists and epic loot for Epic 20th completion lists is one of the reasons this change was made. Whether that becomes something offered in older raids, or is something that comes with future raids, will ultimately depend on various developmental decisions.
    So at the current point in time, epic 20th completion lists still offer the normal assortment of named heroic loot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djl View Post
    So at the current point in time, epic 20th completion lists still offer the normal assortment of named heroic loot?
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    Ugh.

    An Epic Torc is useless to me.

    So I can only run ADQ on Heroic now and thus get no xp at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    Yes.
    So what does epic 20th list give exactly? Does it give a choice of Shards in the older raids? Does it give Skill tome? XP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathdefy View Post
    I.e. you can't just get rewards whenever your heroic + elite completions is a multiple of 20, now they are tallied separately - but still give the same rewards list we're used to regardless of if your heroic or elite completions has just hit a multiple of 20.
    This was my interpretation as well. A bit of a kick to people who might have been running a combination of Zawabi on heroic elite for slightly increased torc chance and epic for guild runs and such.

    edit: Ninja'd by Turbine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    This is a tech change at this point, but offering Heroic loot for heroic 20th completion lists and epic loot for Epic 20th completion lists is one of the reasons this change was made. Whether that becomes something offered in older raids, or is something that comes with future raids, will ultimately depend on various developmental decisions.
    yea, no offense but this was a change not needed until an actual plan was made. All that currently does is penalize players who do loot runs on heroic difficulties.

    are you making the timers seperate while your at it? cause you should if they're counted as two seperate raids now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    This is a tech change at this point, but offering Heroic loot for heroic 20th completion lists and epic loot for Epic 20th completion lists is one of the reasons this change was made. Whether that becomes something offered in older raids, or is something that comes with future raids, will ultimately depend on various developmental decisions.
    Worst thought out decision yet. Finish the system FIRST, then implement change.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel_666 View Post
    Ugh.

    An Epic Torc is useless to me.

    So I can only run ADQ on Heroic now and thus get no xp at all?
    if your running epic quests, how is an epic torc useless? it has an colorless augment slot. which makes it more useful in gear allotment if your going to be wearing it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violith View Post
    yea, no offense but this was a change not needed until an actual plan was made. All that currently does is penalize players who do loot runs on heroic difficulties.

    are you making the timers seperate while your at it? cause you should if they're counted as two seperate raids now.
    So, you, and the others that don't want this now, prefer bugged up 20th Lists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violith View Post
    If you're running epic quests, how is an epic torc useless? It has an colorless augment slot. Which makes it more useful in gear allotment if you're going to be wearing it anyway.
    Because the reason I wanted the Torc was for Heroic AND Epic.

    An item that is usable from level 12 to Level 28 is far more useful to me than an item that can only be used from Level 20 to Level 28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    This is a tech change at this point, but offering Heroic loot for heroic 20th completion lists and epic loot for Epic 20th completion lists is one of the reasons this change was made. Whether that becomes something offered in older raids, or is something that comes with future raids, will ultimately depend on various developmental decisions.
    Another dumb idea. Finish the work, then release it. Otherwise it just peeves people off when several updates go by and an unfinished system continues to be unfinished, but players are stuck with Heroic loot for Epic work.

    BTW on the same note, if the completions are split, does this mean that we can do the raid on Heroic and then do it on Epic the same day without buying a Raid Bypass Timer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    This is a tech change at this point, but offering Heroic loot for heroic 20th completion lists and epic loot for Epic 20th completion lists is one of the reasons this change was made. Whether that becomes something offered in older raids, or is something that comes with future raids, will ultimately depend on various developmental decisions.
    Lets hope, because a removal of the scroll/shard/seal system and to work more like the current EN, EH, EE versions with a upgrade path would be terrific.

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