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    Default thief acrobat/henshin monk staff build help

    hey i just got back to the game and i have no clue about the new enhanement pass i was wondering if there is a new rogue/ monk staff build that is good, any idea's? i was thinking 13 rogue 7 monk or 12 rogue 6 monk 1 druid/fighter

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    The common splits are either:
    12 Monk 6 Rogue 2 Fighter

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    13 Rogue 6 Monk 1 Druid

    Focusing on the rogue build, you'll get improved evasion and opportunist as special rogue feats, and you need to be careful what you spend your monk feats on (Precision is generally a good idea for the level 6 monk free feat). Druid adds Magical Training, for Rejuves and such.. but also for Shillelagh (which on staves is +1(w)).

    Personally I ignored Henshin and used Ninja Spy to get the 3rd Core ability for 25% incorporeality, plus took 3% dodge cap raise.
    The new enhancements let you pick and choose what you want, and you'll find not enough points to get everything that is useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmnqwk View Post
    The common splits are either:
    12 Monk 6 Rogue 2 Fighter
    What's the benefit of the 6th Rogue level with the current enhancements? Wouldn't 3 Fighter offer a bit more options in the Kensai tree?
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    I read in beta that the 15 attack speed doesn't stack with haste... Has anyone tested it on an iconic yet? The previous bonus did stack is why I'm wondering....

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    Pre U19 I ran my TR acrobat up to 16 with 9m/6r/1d levels but now I'm not so sure if 12/7/1(my original plan to get monk PL) is the way I want to end up. I'm finding druid much less useful since I'm swinging a GS Radiance Qstaff, but it WILL be nice for Rahl's Might at 18.

    Kensai does offer some tasty stuff to stack with Henshin and Acrobat, but as was stated...you can't get it all. My point problem is especially tight because I went with Half Orc!

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    I am sure i missed it somewhere but is there a lvl'ing guide for 13 rogue/6 monk/ 1 druid

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    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    What's the benefit of the 6th Rogue level with the current enhancements? Wouldn't 3 Fighter offer a bit more options in the Kensai tree?
    With the current enhancement system you either go rogue 3 (Dex to hit/damage), 5 (Vault), 12 (immunity to trip), or 13 (opportunist and improved evasion). Rogue 6 is kinda useless. Rogue 5 can be skipped if you get wings my monk levels.

    Rogue 13, monk 6, druid 1 is still a solid build because it is not based on enhancements, but class features (two rogue special feats, three extra monk feats, shillelagh/ram's might). Well, monk benefits from one enhancements (ninja 6 core for 25% incorporeal), but this didn't changed with the pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavndad View Post
    I am sure i missed it somewhere but is there a lvl'ing guide for 13 rogue/6 monk/ 1 druid
    I used this build on my third life (acrobat). It is outdated, but may still work for leveling. Or at worst, may serve as a starting point to you:

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    Amossa TR2
    Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Orc Female
    (6 Monk \ 13 Rogue \ 1 Druid) 
    Hit Points: 318
    Spell Points: 210 
    BAB: 13\13\18\23
    Fortitude: 15
    Reflex: 16
    Will: 11
    
                      Starting          
    Abilities        Base Stats         
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)          
    Strength             20             
    Dexterity            11             
    Constitution         15             
    Intelligence         13             
    Wisdom                9             
    Charisma              6             
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
    +4 Tome of Charisma used at level 18
    
                      Starting          
                     Base Skills        
    Skills           (Level 1)          
    Balance               4             
    Bluff                -2             
    Concentration         2             
    Diplomacy            -2             
    Disable Device        5             
    Haggle               -2             
    Heal                 -1             
    Hide                  4             
    Intimidate           -2             
    Jump                  5             
    Listen               -1             
    Move Silently         4             
    Open Lock             4             
    Perform              n/a            
    Repair                1             
    Search                5             
    Spot                  3             
    Swim                  5             
    Tumble                4             
    Use Magic Device      2             
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Hide (+4)
    Skill: Move Silently (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 2 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+3)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 3 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+3)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+3)
    Skill: Search (+3)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 5 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 6 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 7 (Druid)
    Skill: Concentration (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Swim (+1)
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+2)
    Skill: Search (+2)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    
    
    Level 10 (Monk)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
    
    
    Level 11 (Monk)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    
    
    Level 12 (Monk)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Mobility
    
    
    Level 13 (Monk)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 14 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+3)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+5)
    
    
    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+3)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 17 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
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    I went with 10 rogue 6 monk 4 paladin. I get No Mercy from both acrobat and ninja spy lines, a high strength with divine might and strength based which in turns means fairly high stunning blow and sunder dcs. 4 paladin also give high saves with divine grace and cacoon twist for self heals.
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    Is the acrobat attack speed working?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    I went with 10 rogue 6 monk 4 paladin. I get No Mercy from both acrobat and ninja spy lines, a high strength with divine might and strength based which in turns means fairly high stunning blow and sunder dcs. 4 paladin also give high saves with divine grace and cacoon twist for self heals.
    Very interesting! Losing Ram's Might, Shillelagh, 2d6 SA, and a 2nd rog feat is kinda unfortunate (I suspect the DPS is something of a wash); but high saves + Imp Evasion shouldn't be underestimated. I was just wondering if I could come up with an BF stick build which made up for not having druid splash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Very interesting! Losing Ram's Might, Shillelagh, 2d6 SA, and a 2nd rog feat is kinda unfortunate (I suspect the DPS is something of a wash); but high saves + Imp Evasion shouldn't be underestimated. I was just wondering if I could come up with an BF stick build which made up for not having druid splash.
    Stunning blow dc is in 60s+ which is another great aspect to this. NO mercy x2 and sense weakness = 90% extra damage vs. helpless mobs which works great with such a high stunning blow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddong View Post
    Is the acrobat attack speed working?
    As far as I understand it, it is, but it's not being displayed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nibel View Post
    With the current enhancement system you either go rogue 3 (Dex to hit/damage), 5 (Vault), 12 (immunity to trip), or 13 (opportunist and improved evasion). Rogue 6 is kinda useless. Rogue 5 can be skipped if you get wings my monk levels.
    By the way... With the core for ninja spy and the next (level 3) core ability, you can apply DEX to damage and to-hit to all Piercing and Slashing weapons...

    ...which includes Rahl's Might.

    So, if you wanted to put up with a slim selection of staves (that also do piercing damage), you could skip rogue 3 theoretically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    NO mercy x2
    Iirc, enhancements from different trees with the same name won't stack. Stat enhancements seem to be the exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nibel View Post
    With the current enhancement system you either go rogue 3 (Dex to hit/damage), 5 (Vault), 12 (immunity to trip), or 13 (opportunist and improved evasion). Rogue 6 is kinda useless. Rogue 5 can be skipped if you get wings my monk levels.

    Rogue 13, monk 6, druid 1 is still a solid build because it is not based on enhancements, but class features (two rogue special feats, three extra monk feats, shillelagh/ram's might). Well, monk benefits from one enhancements (ninja 6 core for 25% incorporeal), but this didn't changed with the pass.



    I used this build on my third life (acrobat). It is outdated, but may still work for leveling. Or at worst, may serve as a starting point to you:

    Code:
    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01
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    Amossa TR2
    Level 20 Lawful Neutral Half-Orc Female
    (6 Monk \ 13 Rogue \ 1 Druid) 
    Hit Points: 318
    Spell Points: 210 
    BAB: 13\13\18\23
    Fortitude: 15
    Reflex: 16
    Will: 11
    
                      Starting          
    Abilities        Base Stats         
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)          
    Strength             20             
    Dexterity            11             
    Constitution         15             
    Intelligence         13             
    Wisdom                9             
    Charisma              6             
    
    Tomes Used
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
    +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 10
    +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 10
    +4 Tome of Charisma used at level 18
    
                      Starting          
                     Base Skills        
    Skills           (Level 1)          
    Balance               4             
    Bluff                -2             
    Concentration         2             
    Diplomacy            -2             
    Disable Device        5             
    Haggle               -2             
    Heal                 -1             
    Hide                  4             
    Intimidate           -2             
    Jump                  5             
    Listen               -1             
    Move Silently         4             
    Open Lock             4             
    Perform              n/a            
    Repair                1             
    Search                5             
    Spot                  3             
    Swim                  5             
    Tumble                4             
    Use Magic Device      2             
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Hide (+4)
    Skill: Move Silently (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 2 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+3)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 3 (Monk)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Concentration (+3)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+3)
    Skill: Search (+3)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 5 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 6 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 7 (Druid)
    Skill: Concentration (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Swim (+1)
    
    
    Level 8 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Open Lock (+2)
    Skill: Search (+2)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
    
    
    Level 9 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    
    
    Level 10 (Monk)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
    
    
    Level 11 (Monk)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    
    
    Level 12 (Monk)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Mobility
    
    
    Level 13 (Monk)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
    
    
    Level 14 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+3)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+5)
    
    
    Level 15 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+3)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+4)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 16 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 17 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+1)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
    
    
    Level 19 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+1)
    Skill: Disable Device (+1)
    Skill: Jump (+4)
    Skill: Open Lock (+1)
    Skill: Search (+1)
    Skill: Spot (+1)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 20 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
    I have this exact same build from unbongwah could you plz post the "new" enhancements for it? Thanks very much in advance, it would be super greatly appreciated! :P! !

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    I'm going with a dragonmarked elf 12monk/7rogue/1wizard - a little different from the standard but i'll be able to fit in the whole PA/cleave/g.cleave/IC:B/OC chain, tier3 earth stance (another +1 crit multiplier), extended displacements, dodge & mobility, shadow veil & a bunch of other goodies - less sneak attack damage, more up-front dps.

    I've also thrown together a similar version (with single cleric level to let me take empower healing to boost cocoon, instead of the dragonmark) as a shadar-kai, all those cleave-type attacks plus the chain attacks makes for an AoE damage monster.
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