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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubbinns View Post
    You're projecting actually. Derailment? Funny. Argument is vast explorer areas are time consuming to get to the quests. Maybe you just like seeing yourself type?

    Astral Shards are what is wrong with the explorers. If u enjoy explorer areas so much then go freaking do them, leave the rest of us with an option not to. No one is stopping you, so why are you even commenting here?

    As for the what a shortcut is. Why isnt there a quick easy way to get to the quests, no one is stopping you from hiking it pal
    They're not time consuming when you know how to get to them from the harper camps. You just want someone to hold your hand and lead you to them.

    I've tagged all of the explorers to open up my map first time I went in. So thanks, I've had my fun with them. You don't need to share that fun if you don't want to. The choice is yours.

    You've said it yourself. You have an option not to find the explorers. It costs you AS. Maybe you should petition for an option to spend even more AS to open up your map without finding the explorers?

    And again, there are quick ways to get to the quests - find the camps or spend the AS. This will get even more tedious very quickly if we have to repeat everything until you understand.

    Ah wait, I think I might understand what you're looking for now. You want a way to get to the quests which is 1. instant 2. free ..... like the option you get when you enable Public Grouping?

    So if you look at it again, pal, you'll see that there are ample options open to you. Happy now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    They're not time consuming when you know how to get to them from the harper camps. You just want someone to hold your hand and lead you to them.

    Yeah, like a mount, or a teleport to option. Because every large explorer suffers the same design flaw that is easily fixed in most all other games. All the large explorer areas

    I've tagged all of the explorers to open up my map first time I went in. So thanks, I've had my fun with them. You don't need to share that fun if you don't want to. The choice is yours.
    Yes, it is my choice like it is yours. I want a convenient way to travel to the quests

    You've said it yourself. You have an option not to find the explorers. It costs you AS.
    Why should it be astral shards, why isnt it free. Forced to hike

    And again, there are quick ways to get to the quests - find the camps or spend the AS. This will get even more tedious very quickly if we have to repeat everything until you understand.
    Again, shards :/ you seem to miss this and then ignore it like you're saying something relevant to me

    Ah wait, I think I might understand what you're looking for now. You want a way to get to the quests which is 1. instant 2. free ..... like the option you get when you enable Public Grouping?Yes, easy and convenient way to get the quests would be nice. TY for understanding

    So if you look at it again, pal, you'll see that there are ample options open to you. Happy now?

    There are only two options, pal. Pay money to get to their quests easily, or explore Himalayas until you find portals.
    In bold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubbinns View Post
    In bold.
    You're just rambling now Every one of your points was answered. You're not adding anything new. You're not even reading the answers, just repeating the same statements that have been answered.

    There are no Himalayas or portals. Try looking in the Storm Horns instead. Northeast end of Eveningstar. Do you need a shortcut to wilderness entrance too? If you get a key with PDK favour or someone with a bracelet of friends they can help you. Once you find the wilderness area, you can't miss them. Big things. With snow on top.

    Try reading what I posted previously. You'll see that your assertion of only two options are clearly wrong. Whether you bother to or not, I suppose is irrelevant. You're not getting your freebie, zero effort, non-public-grouping option either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    You're just rambling now Every one of your points was answered. You're not adding anything new. You're not even reading the answers, just repeating the same statements that have been answered.Yeah, same thing I just said. You're irrelevant here. But ty so much for typing responses ;D

    There are no Himalayas or portals. Try looking in the Storm Horns instead. Northeast end of Eveningstar. Do you need a shortcut to wilderness entrance too? If you get a key with PDK favour or someone with a bracelet of friends they can help you. Once you find the wilderness area, you can't miss them. Big things. With snow on top.
    All the explorer areas not just stormhorns, and yes easy way to fly or mount run through public spaces would be a step up too. Glad you noticed quickly.
    Try reading what I posted previously. You'll see that your assertion of only two options are clearly wrong. Whether you bother to or not, I suppose is irrelevant. You're not getting your freebie, zero effort, non-public-grouping option either way.Why cant I get an easy teleport to quest feature? Why? Because you say so.. I mean, thanks for writing out novels to me, but keep it yourself you're not Turbine. I dont really care what you have to say in this matter especially in regards to me. But thank you for trying, again ;D You're a sweetie, and being helpful
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    Except for people that despise explorers and won't p2w to teleport to avoid it.
    its not Pay to win its pay to bypass........there is a difference.........er ...........yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadlock View Post
    Large, well-designed wilderness areas are all part of a good immersive experience.
    That and a bucket of dirt is worth a bucket. There is no immersive experience in a game that tries to nickle and dime you as much as the current DDO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gkar View Post
    You can twist anything to try and make you feel right, can't you? Well sorry, your logic doesn't follow. IF they hadn't put in the free teleports you would have a point, as it is the design is similar to the older explorer areas that required a run (going back as far as Restless Isles), except they have also added an additional shortcut. There is a reason the OP changed his mind on the first page.

    Personally I think this strikes a nice balance between those that love large explorer areas and those that detest them.
    My logic does follow and my point is absolutely correct, and look, I didn't need to twist anything. All I have to do is observe and point it out. You do realize we are right on the cusp of ca$htral $hards being up in everyone's face multiple times per play session, right? It has even gotten as ridiculous as paying AS as one of the options in order to complete an objective after talking to an NPC. 51 points in a stat isn't enough to succeed on the check, but for some AS you can move onto the next objective. You don't see how someone playing a game to take a break from real life for a few hours doesn't like being reminded they can pay cash to avoid using game mechanics every few minutes? If this is the case, then its your ability to follow logic that is in question, and not my ability to explain the situation logically.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubbinns View Post
    Bold. ^
    The explorers do not exist to annoy you, they add to the gameplay for many players. What you want is for them to be nonexistent for you. Which would be bad practice in a MMO. They might as well just make a list of quests that you can just click ´what quest you want to enter.

    While i can understand that you wish to be able to play the game that way, it makes no sense. I wouls have thought you would be happy to have the option to circumvent the explorers, even if it means a small cost to do so. But, as in most things, few people are ever satisfied with what the get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    That and a bucket of dirt is worth a bucket. There is no immersive experience in a game that tries to nickle and dime you as much as the current DDO.
    There is immersive experience as long as the nickle and diming does not rule you.
    Dystopia = utopia achieved

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartharok View Post
    The explorers do not exist to annoy you, they add to the gameplay for many players. What you want is for them to be nonexistent for you. Which would be bad practice in a MMO. They might as well just make a list of quests that you can just click ´what quest you want to enter.

    While i can understand that you wish to be able to play the game that way, it makes no sense. I wouls have thought you would be happy to have the option to circumvent the explorers, even if it means a small cost to do so. But, as in most things, few people are ever satisfied with what the get.
    I understand they do not exist to annoy me. But why there aren't mounts or click to quest teleports that dont require money every use. Why exactly is it bad practice in an MMO when almost all the other MMos do the exact opposite? I am not happy with a pay a toll every time you want to get to the quest easily fee, sorry if you settled or expect me to on your views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    That and a bucket of dirt is worth a bucket. There is no immersive experience in a game that tries to nickle and dime you as much as the current DDO.
    Until the powers that be listen to the (almost?) unanimous loathing of the AS they're determined to insinuate into our gaming experience, I'll just go out of my way to avoid them.

    Want to bypass a quest for your epic saga? Sure, just a few AS! Want to free that Wheloon prisoner who somehow isn't convinced despite your 52 wisdom score? Just a few more AS! Want to go straight to that quest entrance when there's a perfectly good free camp you just need to make some small effort to find? All yours for a few more AS! Want to avoid burning your collectibles rolling for some random augments? Choose the one you want for just a miniscule number of AS! Want to increase the ransack counter on that chest and roll for more random rubbish? Look how easy we've made it for you, half the time you won't even realise you're doing it! Want to see a permanent onscreen reminder of your AS balance incase you think it's dangerously low and you might suddenly have an epiphany and be compelled to spend some TP? No problem, you got it!

    It's tacky as hell. No question about it. As a VIP I want the option to remove it all from my gameplay. If that means I need to pay more to be a VIP+ then I'll do it in a second.

    Until that happens, I'm determined not to let it spoil my personal gaming experience and until it wears me down to the point that I'm sick to death of it, I'll do my best to get as much immersion and enjoyment from the game as I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubbinns View Post
    I understand they do not exist to annoy me. But why there aren't mounts or click to quest teleports that dont require money every use. Why exactly is it bad practice in an MMO when almost all the other MMos do the exact opposite? I am not happy with a pay a toll every time you want to get to the quest easily fee, sorry if you settled or expect me to on your views.
    It may not be bad practice in some MMO's, but in this one i think it would be.

    The explorers are fun (to some at least), and the suggestion of providing free teleporters would force a lot of those that wish to go through the explorers to use the teleports, since there would often be at least one that would prefer to teleport there. In the long run the explorers would be only for those that like them, and wish to solo. Now you have at least the possibility to teleport to quest entrance, but since it costs nobody can require anybody else to use them. This is in my opinion fair.

    Of course, since you dislike them it not likely to as fair in your opinion, but now at least you can understand my objection to them. I WANT to go through the explorers, and do not wish for anybody to force me not to do it. You can spend the AS to teleport there if you wish, or use the shortcuts to get closer (which i would certainly do if someone DID teleport there). But since it costs to teleport, it allows me to choose not teleporting, which would cause complaints and possible kicking out of a party if everybody else took the free teleport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubbinns View Post
    I understand they do not exist to annoy me. But why there aren't mounts or click to quest teleports that dont require money every use. Why exactly is it bad practice in an MMO when almost all the other MMos do the exact opposite? I am not happy with a pay a toll every time you want to get to the quest easily fee, sorry if you settled or expect me to on your views.
    Because this is NOT other MMOs.

    D&D at it's heart is about exploration and adventure.

    If you want instant gratification here, you will have to pay. If you do not want to pay you can have semi-instant gratification.

    If your ADHD is preventing you from enjoying some of the best explorer zones, take note of how they are named- EXPLORER, they are other games that cater to instant gratification, have mounts that you MUST use to get from A to B because of wide open landscapes, and even the lowest common denominator can excel at.

    Take your pink fluffy bunny mount and go take a look.

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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaga_Nub View Post
    Really? Have you guys even been in that area at all? You DON'T need to pay a darn thing. Just find the teleport points just like GH has.

    I love bashing Turbine as much as the next person but only when it's deserved.
    Exactly. I was in party with Yaga- it took us less than two hours to find most of the teleport points, and from there, we were able to port quite near the quests with no shards spent. I personally hate the shard money grab mechanic, but this is something that can be easily circumvented.

    I love bashing Turbine with Yaga as much as the next person but only when it's deserved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phalaeo2 View Post
    Exactly. I was in party with Yaga- it took us less than two hours to find most of the teleport points, and from there, we were able to port quite near the quests with no shards spent. I personally hate the shard money grab mechanic, but this is something that can be easily circumvented.

    I love bashing Turbine with Yaga as much as the next person but only when it's deserved.
    Hope you bathed, in bleach, afterwards.


    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Because this is NOT other MMOs.

    D&D at it's heart is about exploration and adventure.

    If you want instant gratification here, you will have to pay. If you do not want to pay you can have semi-instant gratification.

    If your ADHD is preventing you from enjoying some of the best explorer zones, take note of how they are named- EXPLORER, they are other games that cater to instant gratification, have mounts that you MUST use to get from A to B because of wide open landscapes, and even the lowest common denominator can excel at.

    Take your pink fluffy bunny mount and go take a look.
    Uhh, no. Go home. Give me my fluffy bunny mount, and you can go bye bye. Who asked you for anything? Like, really. Get away from me please.

    So what if it isnt another MMO thats a poor excuse. Most MMO are about exploration and adventure, your point is null here.

    My adhd is diagnosed by you? Okay, since you're a professional at anything other than dedicating your life to posting on dd forums and replying to someone that cares little for what you have to say to them.

    Mounts and click to teleport quests should be in the game without having to pay money for a in game convenience. Do me a favor and don't bother replying and quoting my posts here again. Find someone else to play with sweetheart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubbinns View Post
    Uhh, no. Go home. Give me my fluffy bunny mount, and you can go bye bye. Who asked you for anything? Like, really. Get away from me please.

    So what if it isnt another MMO thats a poor excuse. Most MMO are about exploration and adventure, your point is null here.

    My adhd is diagnosed by you? Okay, since you're a professional at anything other than dedicating your life to posting on dd forums and replying to someone that cares little for what you have to say to them.

    Mounts and click to teleport quests should be in the game without having to pay money for a in game convenience. Do me a favor and don't bother replying and quoting my posts here again. Find someone else to play with sweetheart
    If you do not like how people respond to your, IMO, inane posts, then you should rethink posting in the first place.

    And by the way, I will continue to respond to each and every post made by anyone that I feel deserves a reply.

    And for someone that states he cares very little for what others think, you sure do respond to them a lot.

    And since you have ignored a simple fact, here it is again for you;

    You can teleport to Quest vicinity for free.

    Have yourself a wonderful happy happy joy filled day sunshine.


    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    If you do not like how people respond to your, IMO, inane posts, then you should rethink posting in the first place.I think you should just leave me alone. No one cares what you have to say.

    And by the way, I will continue to respond to each and every post made by anyone that I feel deserves a reply.
    Okay, then we'll just shut down every thread we get on tough internet guy
    And for someone that states he cares very little for what others think, you sure do respond to them a lot.

    And since you have ignored a simple fact, here it is again for you;

    You can teleport to Quest vicinity for free.Vicinity for free isnt good enough for me, sorry you like settling
    Have yourself a wonderful happy happy joy filled day sunshine.

    You too, Boo Boo bear thanks ;D
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    I think at this point people complaining about large explorer areas and the TWO ways given to supersede them should just leave the game. There are a million mindless Korean grindfests on the market. If that's what you're looking for, you don't have to look too hard. Please leave DDO alone. Your idea of good design is horrible and has no place in a good game. But luckily, this is still a free market and you're free to go find what you like. Just don't bring it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalont View Post
    I think at this point people complaining about large explorer areas and the TWO ways given to supersede them should just leave the game. There are a million mindless Korean grindfests on the market. If that's what you're looking for, you don't have to look too hard. Please leave DDO alone. Your idea of good design is horrible and has no place in a good game. But luckily, this is still a free market and you're free to go find what you like. Just don't bring it here.
    Actually good design is very popular generally. So it is safe to say that it is not as a good game and not as well designed because the lack of popularity and innovation when compared to much larger and better selling games out there. But keep urging people to quit playing "your" game, because it clearly doesnt need to grow.- sarcasm end-

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