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    Default Trap the Soul + Pay2Win = my next brilliant troll

    Trap the soul is a very nice spell but is limited to 30 or lower HD creatures. Of course nothing in D&D is supposed to have more than 30 HD yet we do in DDO because of inflation and developers not having any better ideas on how to challenge the players.

    The 30 HD means this spell is worthless in EE.

    Let's make it not worthless in EE . . . make a material compontent that can handle up to a CR80 soul.

    Have the TTS spell use an Astral Shard for souls over CR30.

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    +1

    And, no confirmation box on spending the shard when you cast the spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsquishwizzy View Post
    +1

    And, no confirmation box on spending the shard when you cast the spell.
    Wow, I can get to do an EE for only 400 shards! /signed

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    I figured this idea would inspire more torches and pitchforks and it was kinda a joke . . . but the more I think about it why the hell not?

    - it makes another spell-school viable
    - encourages more TRs (cleric lives for the DC, heck yeah I'd do it!)
    - gives us means of attacking a weak-save

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    Generally speaking, making conjuration a more viable primary school for arcanes would be a good change.

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    Ok while I don't favor the idea of allowing any more AS spending in the game, I do like the idea of getting even more upgrades for EE content.

    In all honesty I stop using Trap the Soul once I enter epic levels, except for when I need to farm an ingredient, or to help a guild mate out with their crafting.

    I'm for being able to crunch shards into something that can contain Higher CR's.

    I'm not for it being an AS option.

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    As a point of fun, has anyone tested to see if Trap the Soul Guard, has a level cap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Trap the soul is a very nice spell but is limited to 30 or lower HD creatures. Of course nothing in D&D is supposed to have more than 30 HD yet we do in DDO because of inflation and developers not having any better ideas on how to challenge the players.

    The 30 HD means this spell is worthless in EE.

    Let's make it not worthless in EE . . . make a material compontent that can handle up to a CR80 soul.

    Have the TTS spell use an Astral Shard for souls over CR30.
    My brain hurts, I can't decide if this is a good troll or a brilliant idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    My brain hurts, I can't decide if this is a good troll or a brilliant idea.
    All my good trolls are brilliant ideas so it's both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Let's make it not worthless in EE . . . make a material compontent that can handle up to a CR80 soul.
    Ok, with you so far..

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Have the TTS spell use an Astral Shard for souls over CR30.
    No thank you. Jeez, stop giving them ideas of how to shake us down for more a$tral $hards!
    Bad Troll!
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    The OP has both a good and bad idea.

    Increasing the hard cap on Trap the Soul is good, but using Astral Shards is very bad.

    If I were to change it, it would be to make it a single button, but just expand the cost. For example:
    * 10 HD requires 1 Tiny Khyber Dragonshard
    * 20 HD requires 1 Small Khyber Dragonshard
    * 30 HD requires 1 Average Khyber Dragonshard
    * 40 HD requires 2 Average Khyber Dragonshard
    * 50 HD requires 4 Average Khyber Dragonshard
    * 60 HD requires 8 Average Khyber Dragonshard
    * 70 HD requires 16 Average Khyber Dragonshard
    * 80 HD requires 32 Average Khyber Dragonshard
    * 90 HD requires 64 Average Khyber Dragonshard
    * 100 HD requires 128 Average Khyber Dragonshard

    And so on...

    Of course, the alternative could be to not increase the cost expontentially after 40 HD but some other cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danotmano1998 View Post
    No thank you. Jeez, stop giving them ideas of how to shake us down for more a$tral $hards!
    Bad Troll!
    Technically, in troll terms, "bad troll" means "good troll."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsquishwizzy View Post
    Technically, in troll terms, "bad troll" means "good troll."
    Mission accomplished.

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    But but...I see so many advertisements for pay for trap games each time I look something up on the wiki. Why are you trying to turn DDO into a pay for trap game?
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    I'd sign it just because I hate forgetting to move the components out of bags and combine them in the right way.

    Does anyone bother casting the lower HD versions anyway? I never do.


    Oh, and if I'm out of astral shards, either auto-charge my credit card for me or pop up a store window right in front of me so I can buy more. Give me convenience or give me death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoogroves View Post
    Does anyone bother casting the lower HD versions anyway? I never do.
    In heroic yes and the few EH raids I run on my wizard. It works on many of the orange names in CiTW. Quests 99% the time are run EE now so not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oradafu View Post
    The OP has both a good and bad idea.
    Yep. And you do a wonderful job of making it a better idea that they should implement right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    In heroic yes and the few EH raids I run on my wizard. It works on many of the orange names in CiTW. Quests 99% the time are run EE now so not there.
    I'm asking about the 10 and 20 HD versions ... I never use those. I almost always overkill and use the highest HD setting, because I'm lazy and don't want to risk it not working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Trap the soul is a very nice spell but is limited to 30 or lower HD creatures. Of course nothing in D&D is supposed to have more than 30 HD yet we do in DDO because of inflation and developers not having any better ideas on how to challenge the players.

    The 30 HD means this spell is worthless in EE.

    Let's make it not worthless in EE . . . make a material compontent that can handle up to a CR80 soul.

    Have the TTS spell use an Astral Shard for souls over CR30.
    Not signed.

    Coincidentally, I was crunching my Siberys and Khyber dShards last night after a year or so of saving up. Ended up with 24 Average Khybers. All we need is to have the TTS spell use a further improved Khyber for the higher CRs - like exceptional, or large, or whatever. definitely NOT astrals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Of course nothing in D&D is supposed to have more than 30 HD
    That be lie! xD

    http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Anaxim
    Last edited by Celetor; 09-03-2013 at 11:30 AM.

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