Results 1 to 16 of 16
  1. #1
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    2

    Default new enhancement tree

    ya it gives more power, but your forced to take things you dont want. I hate the setup
    and theres apparently no going back. way to look like every other game out there.
    just wanted to vent; thank you for reading, off to play a new game

  2. #2
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    855

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by arkyday View Post
    ya it gives more power, but your forced to take things you dont want.
    You had to take things you didn't want before. You think the Arcane Archers *really* wanted to take Mental Toughness?

    way to look like every other game out there.
    Other games look this way because this is a good way to look. The old enhancements played out like a tree, too, they were just unclear as hell.

    just wanted to vent; thank you for reading, off to play a new game
    Bye.

  3. #3
    Community Member vampiregoat69's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    Sneaking up behind you
    Posts
    241

    Default

    They single handedly RUINED this game for me my once cool build has me SO confused now I can't figure it out. I am forced to take **** I DO NOT need or want and the descriptions are so confusing and conradictory on so I am at a total loss. We are now forced to be some cookie cutter noob classes with enhancements that are messed up. TY TURBINE money machine.

    I am so lost I might move on to another mmo but they are just the same, NWN online uses the same system and I HATED IT making you take 2 or more **** enhancements to get something you want BAD BAD BAD.

  4. #4
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    855

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by vampiregoat69 View Post
    They single handedly RUINED this game for me my once cool build has me SO confused now I can't figure it out. I am forced to take **** I DO NOT need or want and the descriptions are so confusing and conradictory on so I am at a total loss. We are now forced to be some cookie cutter noob classes with enhancements that are messed up. TY TURBINE money machine.

    I am so lost I might move on to another mmo but they are just the same, NWN online uses the same system and I HATED IT making you take 2 or more **** enhancements to get something you want BAD BAD BAD.
    Are you sure you didn't have to take enhancements you didn't want before?

    Radiant Servant I: Requires All of: Empower Healing Spell, Cleric Improved Turning I, Improved Heal II, Cleric Life Magic II

    So you actually wanted Improved Turning and Improved Heal?

    Kensei I: Requires All of: Fighter Attack Boost II, Fighter Critical Accuracy II

    You wanted Critical Accuracy?

    Ninja Spy I: Requires All of: Improved Jump II, Improved Tumble II, Dodge, Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness

    You wanted Improved Jump and Improved Tumble?

    Assassin I: Requires All of: Rogue Damage Boost II, Rogue Sneak Attack Training I, Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I, Improved Hide II, Improved Move Silently II, Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I

    You wanted Damage Boost (instead of Haste Boost), Hide, and Move Silently?

    That's not even including other requirements some of these have, the fact that a lot of the requirements were feats, and that you needed 6/12/18 levels in a class for rank 1/2/3 PrEs. All of these requirements have been loosened.

    There are valid reasons to not like the new enhancements (such as less variety in pure builds), but having to take enhancements you don't want is *not* one of them, Suggesting that this is new makes me believe you simply just don't like change, even if it's for the better.

  5. #5
    2014 DDO Players Council Flavilandile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    France
    Posts
    3,794

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by arkyday View Post
    ya it gives more power, but your forced to take things you dont want. I hate the setup
    and theres apparently no going back. way to look like every other game out there.
    just wanted to vent; thank you for reading, off to play a new game
    Nothing new there, we have been telling them for month that the new system was forcing us to waste more points on unwanted things...
    But they didn't fix that ( there is an easy fix : get rid of the points spent in tree limitation and put back the point spent overall one ).
    On G-Land : Flavilandile, Blacklock, Yaelle, Millishande, Larilandile, Gildalinde, Tenalafel, and many other...

  6. #6
    Community Member Garix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,008

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zirun View Post
    Are you sure you didn't have to take enhancements you didn't want before?

    Radiant Servant I: Requires All of: Empower Healing Spell, Cleric Improved Turning I, Improved Heal II, Cleric Life Magic II

    So you actually wanted Improved Turning and Improved Heal?

    Kensei I: Requires All of: Fighter Attack Boost II, Fighter Critical Accuracy II

    You wanted Critical Accuracy?

    Ninja Spy I: Requires All of: Improved Jump II, Improved Tumble II, Dodge, Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness

    You wanted Improved Jump and Improved Tumble?

    Assassin I: Requires All of: Rogue Damage Boost II, Rogue Sneak Attack Training I, Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I, Improved Hide II, Improved Move Silently II, Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I

    You wanted Damage Boost (instead of Haste Boost), Hide, and Move Silently?

    That's not even including other requirements some of these have, the fact that a lot of the requirements were feats, and that you needed 6/12/18 levels in a class for rank 1/2/3 PrEs. All of these requirements have been loosened.

    There are valid reasons to not like the new enhancements (such as less variety in pure builds), but having to take enhancements you don't want is *not* one of them, Suggesting that this is new makes me believe you simply just don't like change, even if it's for the better.
    Please don't bring any logic or reason to a rant thread. It's neither required or wanted
    Leader of Shrodingers Cat Support Group a Husband and Wife guild on Orien.
    Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. Sir Winston Churchill

  7. #7
    Community Member FestusHood's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    3,388

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Flavilandile View Post
    Nothing new there, we have been telling them for month that the new system was forcing us to waste more points on unwanted things...
    But they didn't fix that ( there is an easy fix : get rid of the points spent in tree limitation and put back the point spent overall one ).
    I agree. We should be able to spend 20 points in our racial tree and then get 15 tier 5 abilities.

  8. #8
    Community Member zDragonz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Earth and and full time at work: I move 400 lb stainless steel Refrigerators with ease!
    Posts
    691

    Angry I agree. Why did they do this?

    Quote Originally Posted by arkyday View Post
    ya it gives more power, but your forced to take things you dont want. I hate the setup
    and theres apparently no going back. way to look like every other game out there.
    just wanted to vent; thank you for reading, off to play a new game
    All builds are the same now. All evocation and necromancer and illusionist, etc/ all stalwarts, kensei are the same. The

    old way was more specialized and not thrown at us in a way like it is now. Now we have to take what everyone else

    takes in order to fill up the tree and then what do you have. All builds that are the same in that particular class. There is

    not enough variety and all the trees should add to together into one total counter and not with their own seperate

    spending counter. This just makes it so everyone is the same again.


    How did this get perceived as a good thing?

    I do not even want to play this game anymore. My build lost its uniqueness!

  9. #9
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Posts
    2

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by zDragonz View Post
    All builds are the same now. All evocation and necromancer and illusionist, etc/ all stalwarts, kensei are the same.
    Illusionist? Really? Where!?!? I want one.

    Quote Originally Posted by zDragonz View Post
    I do not even want to play this game anymore. My build lost its uniqueness!
    Of course now my Sorcerer can work on both the Fire (or Water) and Earth (or Air) savant trees at the same time which I couldn't before.

  10. #10
    Community Member FestusHood's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Nebraska
    Posts
    3,388

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by zDragonz View Post
    All builds are the same now. All evocation and necromancer and illusionist, etc/ all stalwarts, kensei are the same. The

    old way was more specialized and not thrown at us in a way like it is now. Now we have to take what everyone else

    takes in order to fill up the tree and then what do you have. All builds that are the same in that particular class. There is

    not enough variety and all the trees should add to together into one total counter and not with their own seperate

    spending counter. This just makes it so everyone is the same again.


    How did this get perceived as a good thing?

    I do not even want to play this game anymore. My build lost its uniqueness!
    I'm going to speculate. Before the enhancement pass, your build was nowhere near as unique as you think it was.

  11. #11
    2014 DDO Players Council Flavilandile's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    France
    Posts
    3,794

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FestusHood View Post
    I'm going to speculate. Before the enhancement pass, your build was nowhere near as unique as you think it was.
    There was several ways to reach the same effectiveness.
    With the new tree system and the way it works there is only one single way.
    On G-Land : Flavilandile, Blacklock, Yaelle, Millishande, Larilandile, Gildalinde, Tenalafel, and many other...

  12. #12
    Community Member BinyaminTsadik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    252

    Default

    I generally find that most skills and enhancements require less prerequisites and have more options for prerequisites now.

    It is also a lot easier to get dragonmarks for most classes, however it now comes at a great cost to enhancement points, especially if you do not want to invest in the race tree.

    Dragonmarks should be a single feat that automatically grants all of the tiers at specific levels

    example:
    least = 1 per 3 levels -max 6
    lesser = 1 per 5 levels starting at level 5 -max 4
    greater = 1 per 7 levels starting at level 7 -max 2

    And enhancements should simply boost this base feat in some way or allow you to use these dragonmark uses for different things.
    Instead of complaining that there are no healers, go roll one...

  13. #13
    Community Member Wanesa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Prague
    Posts
    573

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BinyaminTsadik View Post
    Dragonmarks should be a single feat that automatically grants all of the tiers at specific levels

    example:
    least = 1 per 3 levels -max 6
    lesser = 1 per 5 levels starting at level 5 -max 4
    greater = 1 per 7 levels starting at level 7 -max 2

    And enhancements should simply boost this base feat in some way or allow you to use these dragonmark uses for different things.
    /not signed - OP

    Thelanis: Shewind the Airbender (Sorc20/Epic5 -> Bard20/Epic8 -> Rog20/Epic8/Epic2 -> Harper_FvS20/Epic4 -> Art20/Epic8/Epic8 -> Rng10), Azaxe (Rog18/Wiz2 -> Sorc20/Epic8/Epic8)

  14. #14
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    802

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Flavilandile View Post
    There was several ways to reach the same effectiveness.
    With the new tree system and the way it works there is only one single way.
    Lol. You cannot mean this seriously, right?

    As troll attempt, I give it ... 3? Teh_Troll is an expert here, he can reevaluate.

    I have made my deep splash Kensei 10/9/1 FTR/MNK/CLR. Its extremely effective with awesome selfhealing and unlimited use of 2 minutes buff better than Powersurge. Its kills very fast and its very hard to kill.

    That said, splashing Druid would be a very viable option as well and not only for that broken Tier 1 Beguille.

    Also, Splashing less monk for actuall powersurge on top of my 2 minutes buff would be a very interesting as well.

    Also, Taking monk out and putting in barbarian is another very viable way to make powerfull Kensei (and both cleric and druid splashes are useull there as well).

    Or I could go with staff and use rogue splash.

    Those are just the options I came up (with inspiration from the forum), but I believe that other classes would work very well also.

    As far as echants go... Each of the build suggested above will use different. There are multiple ways to build those as well, depending on which path you choose,

    If you cannot see more ways then one... you are just a bad player. Or maybe lazy for not looking into enchantements properly.

  15. #15
    The Hatchery Paleus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Stormreach Sewers
    Posts
    1,762

    Default

    I'd say give the new tree some time. In the beginning you may feel a bit overwhelmed working with a new environment and not knowing it as well as the old one. So it may feel like you're getting less out of it. But after some initial investment of time learning it you may find it works better and offers you different possibilities. That's not to say all builds can be universally replicated from the old into the new, not all will be better. Some will, some won't.

    As to have to spend points on useless enhancements/feats, what builds are people trying to build that run into this? In general my build ideas have suffered from too many tasty choices to get everything. Of my stable of characters, about half are improved from what they were with the new system, the other half I tr'ed to either try something actually new (i.e. henshin) or because I used my respec'ed a character to make it like it was without really thinking the new system through and decided a full overhaul was better after running with it and thinking it out longer. Actually, on that topic, your purpose might be better served posting the build you had on the class forums and then requesting advice on how to adapt it to the new system. Avoid my mistake and avoid the mistake other people make of complaining without ever seeking help first.
    Kobold never forgive....kobold remember waterworks.

    Quote Originally Posted by KookieKobold View Post
    i'll be putting a bug into our system.

  16. #16
    Community Member Hendrik's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Bell's Brewery, MI.
    Posts
    10,991

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FestusHood View Post
    I'm going to speculate. Before the enhancement pass, your build was nowhere near as unique as you think it was.
    People who copied Forums builds without the knowledge how they worked, why they were built that way, or the intricacies of how the classes melded together, are totally clueless in the new pass.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
    Adventurer, Bug Reporter, Mournlander.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

This form's session has expired. You need to reload the page.

Reload