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    Default PL Ranger= no bonus to thrown damage! Grrr!

    The Past life ranger feat says it gives +2 to ranged damage, yet on Lammania my character with PL Ranger shows it adds +2 damage to all bows and crossbows, and NOT to thrown weapons!


    Is this a bug?


    Why are throwing builds given the shaft in every way/shape/form? Did someone once throw a rock or smoothie at a lead Dev who then decided to wreak his vengeance upon the poor throwers of DDO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delacroix21 View Post
    Did someone once throw a rock or smoothie at a lead Dev who then decided to wreak his vengeance upon the poor throwers of DDO?

    They deserved it.


    I regret nothing.
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    Fly? That would break every quest in the game. You would see folks falling from the sky in Korthos and dying. It would be a rain of newbs.
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    Yeah. It's not "we nuked the city from orbit", it's "the city experienced a brief population drop". Check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delacroix21 View Post
    The Past life ranger feat says it gives +2 to ranged damage, yet on Lammania my character with PL Ranger shows it adds +2 damage to all bows and crossbows, and NOT to thrown weapons!


    Is this a bug?


    Why are throwing builds given the shaft in every way/shape/form? Did someone once throw a rock or smoothie at a lead Dev who then decided to wreak his vengeance upon the poor throwers of DDO?
    Does it matter? I mean you aren't going to get much dps from it anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    Does it matter? I mean you aren't going to get much dps from it anyways.
    +6 damage on a shuriken with a 50% chance to triple throw? thats borderline viable!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagolar View Post
    They deserved it.


    I regret nothing.
    Curses!


    Next Update= thrown weapons will no damage the attacker and heal the intended victim instead.
    small footnote= "Throw your slurpee in my window will ya!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delacroix21 View Post
    +6 damage on a shuriken with a 50% chance to triple throw? thats borderline viable!
    perspective the wolf build I'm playing with is 6[1d10] 17-20 x3 and a +15 str mod atm (yeah str is low, wis based for sf) and 24% doublestrike. I consider that build just barely viable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delacroix21 View Post
    +6 damage on a shuriken with a 50% chance to triple throw? thats borderline viable!
    Triple- Wait, does Ninja Spy stack with Shuriken Expertise?

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    Curses!


    Next Update= thrown weapons will no damage the attacker and heal the intended victim instead.
    small footnote= "Throw your slurpee in my window will ya!"


    Mm, well, they did remove consumable-based arti thrown healing infusions, so perhaps soon everyone will be able to throw healing pots.

    And then everyone will.

    Everyone.
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    Fly? That would break every quest in the game. You would see folks falling from the sky in Korthos and dying. It would be a rain of newbs.
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    Yeah. It's not "we nuked the city from orbit", it's "the city experienced a brief population drop". Check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charononus View Post
    perspective the wolf build I'm playing with is 6[1d10] 17-20 x3 and a +15 str mod atm (yeah str is low, wis based for sf) and 24% doublestrike. I consider that build just barely viable.
    if only you knew how many people rolled their eyes when they read this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delacroix21 View Post
    The Past life ranger feat says it gives +2 to ranged damage, yet on Lammania my character with PL Ranger shows it adds +2 damage to all bows and crossbows, and NOT to thrown weapons!


    Is this a bug?


    Why are throwing builds given the shaft in every way/shape/form? Did someone once throw a rock or smoothie at a lead Dev who then decided to wreak his vengeance upon the poor throwers of DDO?
    From what I understand, ranged and thrown are separate categories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tscheuss View Post
    From what I understand, ranged and thrown are separate categories.
    For imp critical feats yes, but in general ranged is supposed to mean both. Items like the crippling arrowhead trinket state ranged critical hits and mean both. Also new enhancements that are. A ranged attack work with both.


    I honestly believe the person coding this made a boo boo, as even rangers don't use crossbows, and just forgot to include thrown weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delacroix21 View Post
    For imp critical feats yes, but in general ranged is supposed to mean both. Items like the crippling arrowhead trinket state ranged critical hits and mean both. Also new enhancements that are. A ranged attack work with both.


    I honestly believe the person coding this made a boo boo, as even rangers don't use crossbows, and just forgot to include thrown weapons.
    They use 'missile weapons/attacks' to refer to both..
    Unfortunately, that is so far from consistant, or even notably present, that..
    Yeah, it's a random guess each time something comes up.

    As far as the PL feat, I recall it working in the past on live with thrown attacks, so, not sure. It definitely OUGHT to, either way.
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    Fly? That would break every quest in the game. You would see folks falling from the sky in Korthos and dying. It would be a rain of newbs.
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    Yeah. It's not "we nuked the city from orbit", it's "the city experienced a brief population drop". Check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagolar View Post
    They use 'missile weapons/attacks' to refer to both..
    Unfortunately, that is so far from consistant, or even notably present, that..
    Yeah, it's a random guess each time something comes up.

    As far as the PL feat, I recall it working in the past on live with thrown attacks, so, not sure. It definitely OUGHT to, either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagolar View Post
    Triple- Wait, does Ninja Spy stack with Shuriken Expertise?
    It doesn't stack but both have a chance to proc. So if you have say 33 dex. You get two chances of 33% chance to throw an extra star.

    50% chance of a triple throw would indicate that he has about 75 dex. ;-p

    It was quite tasty for a while with ninja poison (sting of the ninja or something) almost worthwhile making a shuriken character. However, they stealth nerfed it at the last minute and the poison now only procs on a critical with shurikens rather than on every hit.

    Also the improved critical chance from either halfling or ninja spy enhancements still do not work, despite many posts and bug reports. But thats another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LupusVai View Post
    It doesn't stack but both have a chance to proc. So if you have say 33 dex. You get two chances of 33% chance to throw an extra star.

    Ugh. So they went from making Shurikens the only viable throwing weapon, to making builds with Ninja Spy levels the only viable shuriken build.

    That's really emphasizing build diversity, there :P
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    Fly? That would break every quest in the game. You would see folks falling from the sky in Korthos and dying. It would be a rain of newbs.
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    Yeah. It's not "we nuked the city from orbit", it's "the city experienced a brief population drop". Check.

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