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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    6 Ranger prevents Shadow Veil from Ninja Spy. Wraith Form is suboptimal as it prevents Reconstruct.

    12 Wizard/6 Monk/2 Ranger provides amazing self healing with Reconstruct, full BAB, 25% Incorporeality, Henshin tier5 staff enhancements and plenty of feats for Manyshot. It's a solid update from the Juggernaut archetype.

    Monk feats: Power Attack, Precision, Zen Archery
    Wizard feats: Quicken, Mental Toughness, Extend (for Displacement/Haste)
    Heroic feats: Master of Forms, Improved Crit: Bludgeon, Improved Crit: Ranged, Cleave, Great Cleave, Precise Shot, Manyshot
    Epic feats: 21 Overwhelming Critical, 24 Toughness, 26: Toughness, 27 Epic Damage Reduction, 28: Toughness
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    Unless they changed it, Manyshot also requires Point Blank Shot (Rapid Shot is covered by 2Ranger).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    Unless they changed it, Manyshot also requires Point Blank Shot (Rapid Shot is covered by 2Ranger).
    It wasnt changed. 2 ranger gives Bow Str, and Rapid shot. He would have to swap some feats around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurzifer View Post
    I Like how you take manyshot without rapid shot and point blank shot, bow str seems optional too. Need to keep that in mind, opens up alot new stuff lol :P
    Thanks for catching the error. Definitely drop Toughness for PBS; Rapid Shot is granted at Ranger 2:

    Monk feats: Power Attack, Precision, Zen Archery
    Wizard feats: Quicken, Mental Toughness, Extend (for Displacement/Haste)
    Heroic feats: Master of Forms, Improved Crit: Bludgeon, Improved Crit: Ranged, Cleave, Great Cleave, Precise Shot, Point Blank Shot
    Epic feats: 21 Overwhelming Critical, 24 Manyshot, 26: Toughness, 27 Epic Damage Reduction, 28: Toughness
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    6 Ranger prevents Shadow Veil from Ninja Spy. Wraith Form is suboptimal as it prevents Reconstruct.

    12 Wizard/6 Monk/2 Ranger provides amazing self healing with Reconstruct, full BAB, 25% Incorporeality, Henshin tier5 staff enhancements and plenty of feats for Manyshot. It's a solid update from the Juggernaut archetype.
    Oh.. You... Right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpone View Post
    Thanks for catching the error. Definitely drop Toughness for PBS; Rapid Shot is granted at Ranger 2:

    Monk feats: Power Attack, Precision, Zen Archery
    Wizard feats: Quicken, Mental Toughness, Extend (for Displacement/Haste)
    Heroic feats: Master of Forms, Improved Crit: Bludgeon, Improved Crit: Ranged, Cleave, Great Cleave, Precise Shot, Point Blank Shot
    Epic feats: 21 Overwhelming Critical, 24 Manyshot, 26: Toughness, 27 Epic Damage Reduction, 28: Toughness
    Why Precision? It is a stance and not usable with Power attack on.
    Zen archery although good since it makes bows centered weapons it needs a wisdom of 13...i dont think it is doable without a +5 wis tome which gets late in the levelling process even if you have one. Moreover i suppose it is a Strength based build since i see Overwhelming critical in the feat list. I made one on paper but i have a headache...here are the reasons why:

    12 wiz/ 6 Monk / 2???
    12 wiz give you undead form and level 6 spells Tensers and Reconstruct so very usable if being warforged too
    6 monk give you many things and Quarterstaff line dmg

    Last 2 levels are very crucial since you have a lot of options. If you get 2 ranger you make your life easy with the 2 granted feats (bow strength and rapid shot) which bring you closer to manyshot. If you go druid you get rams might (2str and 1dmg) and Shilellah (1[w] with Quarterstaffs...) and thats a really interesting option. I dont know here what problems may arise with alignment issues please shed some light here.. These 2 options are strength based. If you go 2 rogue for acrobat tree and more dps with quarterstaffs and some interesting things with trip, sneak and so on i think you must focus on dexterity and not in strength. I have not gone deep into this option since i dont know if taking acrobat quarterstaff line will stack with hensin mystic line and if i must then probably go 5 monk/ 3 rogue or the other way around (5 rogue/ 3 monk). Of course with this option you forget overwhelming critical...

    Please we all need your opinions and constructive criticism and feedback.

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    Default Postponed.

    Hi,

    wanted to step by to inform that the arrival has been postponed because the TWF Juggernaut came in between.

    :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurzifer View Post
    Hi,

    wanted to step by to inform that the arrival has been postponed because the TWF Juggernaut came in between.

    :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illiamfryn View Post
    Why Precision? It is a stance and not usable with Power attack on.
    Zen archery although good since it makes bows centered weapons it needs a wisdom of 13...i dont think it is doable without a +5 wis tome which gets late in the levelling process even if you have one. Moreover i suppose it is a Strength based build since i see Overwhelming critical in the feat list. I made one on paper but i have a headache...here are the reasons why:

    12 wiz/ 6 Monk / 2???
    12 wiz give you undead form and level 6 spells Tensers and Reconstruct so very usable if being warforged too
    6 monk give you many things and Quarterstaff line dmg

    Last 2 levels are very crucial since you have a lot of options. If you get 2 ranger you make your life easy with the 2 granted feats (bow strength and rapid shot) which bring you closer to manyshot. If you go druid you get rams might (2str and 1dmg) and Shilellah (1[w] with Quarterstaffs...) and thats a really interesting option. I dont know here what problems may arise with alignment issues please shed some light here.. These 2 options are strength based. If you go 2 rogue for acrobat tree and more dps with quarterstaffs and some interesting things with trip, sneak and so on i think you must focus on dexterity and not in strength. I have not gone deep into this option since i dont know if taking acrobat quarterstaff line will stack with hensin mystic line and if i must then probably go 5 monk/ 3 rogue or the other way around (5 rogue/ 3 monk). Of course with this option you forget overwhelming critical...

    Please we all need your opinions and constructive criticism and feedback.
    Because precision is a ranged stance and is usable with precise or imp precise shot, while power attack does nothing for ranged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jskinner937 View Post
    Because precision is a ranged stance and is usable with precise or imp precise shot, while power attack does nothing for ranged.

    no its not.

    http://ddowiki.com/page/Precision

    Precision its a MELEE stance. PRECISE SHOOT gives you a stance that buffs ranged dmg by 30% if stand still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skavenaps View Post
    no its not.

    http://ddowiki.com/page/Precision

    Precision its a MELEE stance. PRECISE SHOOT gives you a stance that buffs ranged dmg by 30% if stand still.
    Precision effects ranged. Precision can be used while in IPS or Archer's Focus stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jalont View Post
    Precision effects ranged. Precision can be used while in IPS or Archer's Focus stance.
    effects or no, its not the point. You cant combine power attack + precision cause both are labeled as melee stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skavenaps View Post
    effects or no, its not the point. You cant combine power attack + precision cause both are labeled as melee stance.
    This is true, but isn't what you were replying to. The person you quoted was absolutely correct. The only reason Power Attack is taken is because it's a prereq for cleave and GC.

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    I'm going w/ Heavy Draw, personally.

    At least, that's my next ranged build to play with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skavenaps View Post
    effects or no, its not the point. You cant combine power attack + precision cause both are labeled as melee stance.
    Let me clarify...power attack only works with melee...precision works with melee and ranged. So if you were shooting arrows, PA does nothing while Precision is very useful. Make sense?

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    So long as it doesn't involve Bot Fly lancing videos...
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    Default A friendly bump!

    I am sure Haek is super busy! *but* hopefully he will get around to posting the build! Keep up the great work! Cheers! :P! !

    The anticipation is killing us! ! !
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    Default Another friendly bump

    I am very curious, so I am bumping this just to build more suspense.
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    darn you Maelodic !!!

    got super excited when I saw this thread had a new post, thought for sure it was Haek with the new build.

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    Default Bump -- Where's the beef? >< :P! :)!

    A nice friendly bump! /tongue in cheek Quit slacking Haek!!11(Totally joking!) >><<! Lolz! :P! ! ! That aside, hope everything is going well & I hope your ok! Cheers! :P! ! !
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    Default Mystic Lancer

    My guess for Phantom Lancer. Had to rename it to Mystic Lancer because of the enchantments
    Didn't think about enchantments much because I'm going to TR into this tomorrow so I'll give more thoughts for enchantments while testin this build. Now those are just some points thrown somewhere

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    Mystic Lancer
    Level 28 Lawful Neutral Warforged Male
    (5 Monk \ 4 Ranger \ 11 Wizard \ 8 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 412
    Spell Points: 1505 
    BAB: 12\12\17\22
    Fortitude: 18
    Reflex: 14
    Will: 14
    
                      Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 28)           (Level 28)
    Strength             16                 26                   28
    Dexterity            13                 17                   17
    Constitution         17                 21                   24
    Intelligence         16                 20                   20
    Wisdom                9                 13                   13
    Charisma              6                 10                   10
    
    Tomes Used
    +4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
    +4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15
    
    Level 1 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Choose one
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    
    
    Level 2 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 3 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 4 (Monk)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
    
    
    Level 5 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 6 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 8 (Ranger)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 9 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
    
    
    Level 11 (Wizard)
    
    
    Level 12 (Wizard)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Wizard)
    
    
    Level 14 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
    
    
    Level 15 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Manyshot
    
    
    Level 16 (Wizard)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 17 (Wizard)
    
    
    Level 18 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Zen Archery
    
    
    Level 19 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Choose one 
    
    
    Level 20 (Wizard)
    Ability Raise: STR
    
    
    Level 21 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
    
    
    Level 22 (Wizard)
    
    
    Level 23 (Wizard)
    
    
    Level 24 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    
    
    Level 25 (Wizard)
    
    
    Level 26 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Perfect Two Handed Fighting
    
    Level 27 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical
    
    
    Level 28 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Choose one
    Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Warforged Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Mechanist (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Construct Stability (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Power Attack (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Power Attack (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Power Attack (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Far Shot (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Stealthy (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Tendon Cut (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Tendon Cut (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Tendon Cut (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Deepwood Stalker (Rgr) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Way of the Patient Tortoise (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Quick Strike (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Quick Strike (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Quick Strike (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Fists of Iron (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Contemplation (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Lighting the Candle (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Lighting the Candle (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Lighting the Candle (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Strength (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Strength (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Staff Specialization (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Difficulty at the Beginning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Reed in the Wind (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Reed in the Wind (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Reed in the Wind (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Constitution (Rank 1)
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