Page 4 of 10 FirstFirst 12345678 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 80 of 188
  1. #61
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,694

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Grosbeak07 View Post
    New players won't have Astral shards.

    I don't have enough AS to even worry about it. Not a problem on my end. Plus in my testing on lamannia, I spent AS to get one chest of junk for another chest of junk.
    Actually the new players are the one who might end up buying more because they don't have the platinum that the old schoolers might have. It's an easier way to justify their needs. Also some old players like me are kinda disgusted by this new currency that has been added just like that one day (also invalidating the AH at first - not so true anymore) and we don't really want to participate in this non sense. While for the new players, this will be part of the reality of the game from day 1 so there's more chance that they think AS are the way to go without questionning if it's "right" or "healthy".

    Just guessing here...

    On a brighter note, I will keep on thinking that in a game without PvP, it just can't be as bad as if there would be. I've seen how damaging real P2W can get. Here, I find all this superficial and just an addition that if you wanna take part of, you can. If not, screw that currency and keep playing just like you've always been doing. Not much harm done except the fact that the game you once loved is going in a direction which you might not agree to.

    Also as I and other said before, it's just a way to save time... kind of like paying for any services in RL. Not exactly the same but I guess you can understand what I mean. I lack the words to explain myself better on this point.

    I don't think it's good for the game but anyone can personally mitigate (avoid?) the harm done by not taking part in this system. Just keep doing what you used to do...
    Last edited by Azarddoze; 08-12-2013 at 08:25 AM.
    Kal Vas Flam... Corp Por... Corp Por

    ...And then there was silence

  2. #62
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    977

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Only the lazy, ignorant, or illiterate will 'accidentally' mis-click.
    So at some point in the past when you misclicked something in Turbine's interface it's because you were lazy, ignorant, or illiterate?

  3. #63
    Community Member Teh_Troll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Under the bridge
    Posts
    5,874

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Grosbeak07 View Post
    New players won't have Astral shards.

    I don't have enough AS to even worry about it. Not a problem on my end. Plus in my testing on lamannia, I spent AS to get one chest of junk for another chest of junk.
    Where do you think the shards come from? I don't know a single vet who's bought ANY.

  4. #64
    Community Member Uidolon's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    104

    Default

    why argue over a game "becoming" p2w when it already become that long ago.

    do admit there are much worse games out there with a higher degree of p2w but when it was first made f2p it was at around 5% p2w scale now its at around 60% p2w of a scale of 100% in my experince/judement.

    i define 100% as a game were you have less then 1% chance of having good endgame equipment after 2 years of hardcore grinding without using ingame store.

    i define 5% as having a ingame cosmetic and convience store.

  5. #65
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    2,747

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Where do you think the shards come from? I don't know a single vet who's bought ANY.
    I don't know anyone who eats at McDonald's either. Yet they sell a gigaburger a day.. funny how that works.

  6. #66
    Community Member Hendrik's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Bell's Brewery, MI.
    Posts
    10,991

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    You've just described all the new players. So one misclicks, gets ****ed, bails from the game, and never spends any more money on DDO again.

    Once again DDO-Zynga ideas come out that will get people to spend less money.


    And once again the same people defend these ridiculous ideas with religious zeal.
    All the new players? Wow. Beginning to think it is not all new players but some of those that have been here for awhile as well.


    Once again, you don't know what your talking about. Do you ever read and comprehend what Turbine officials tell you?

    And once again, your attacking an idea that you have not even experienced yourself - and those of us that have been there, playing with this change, know how much of a non-issue this is.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
    Adventurer, Bug Reporter, Mournlander.

  7. #67
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,694

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Knowing how to read helps eliminate any/all mis-clicks. Couple that with a functioning attention span and you can see how easy it is to not make stupid mistakes.

    Just as an exemple of what could happen...

    Yesterday I was playing Path of Exile... for too many hours straight. So my eyes just shut down and POOF! Woke up a couple minutes later... There goes my level 74 hardcore char with all his gear. Mistakes aren't only caused by stupidity / reading difficiency.

    Though I agree in the best circumstances, you just take your time and can't really missclick... but those circumstances aren't always met.
    Kal Vas Flam... Corp Por... Corp Por

    ...And then there was silence

  8. #68
    Community Member Teh_Troll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Under the bridge
    Posts
    5,874

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Once again, you don't know what your talking about. Do you ever read and comprehend what Tubine officials tell you?
    Comprehend sure but they lie through their teeth so intelligent people won't believe a word they say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    And once again, your attacking an idea that you have not even experienced yourself - and those of us that have been there, playing with this change, know how much of a non-issue this is.
    I don't have to have a hot-poker shoved in my eye to know it'd hurt. I don't have to participate in pay2win to know it'll kill this game.

    Any intelligent person would draw the same conclusion.

  9. #69
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,694

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    I don't have to have a hot-poker shoved in my eye to know it'd hurt. I don't have to participate in pay2win to know it'll kill this game.

    Any intelligent person would draw the same conclusion.
    While I agree with you, to be fair I think that if people that don't wanna take part of it would avoid that system, it would only be left for the one that actually takes advantage of it. The ones that usually wouldn't have the time to catch up to their buddies but now they can be as powerful because of it. Or simply the ones that thrive to have the best gear.

    But that's so theoritical that it's worth nothing. Human psychology will take it's toll and everyone will be affected by it in the end even if there's actually just one side winning while the other could remain unaffected (even take advantage of it... think you got that free expansion, right?).

    The one very true point (I think you brought that before) is that it will shorten the overall game lenght for many people that will jump from a game to another instead of investing into just one. Or they'll be left with nothing to do in between new content is added, making the game less populated and leading to more side problems.

    It doesn't HAVE to hurt the game but it sure will... I think.
    Last edited by Azarddoze; 08-12-2013 at 09:37 AM.
    Kal Vas Flam... Corp Por... Corp Por

    ...And then there was silence

  10. #70
    Community Member Teh_Troll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Under the bridge
    Posts
    5,874

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Azarddoze View Post
    The one very true point (I think you brought that before) is that it will shorten the overall game lenght for many people that will jump from a game to another instead of investing into just one. Or they'll be left with nothing to do in between new content is added, making the game less populated and leading to more side problems.

    It doesn't HAVE to hurt the game but it sure will... I think.
    I can only speak for myself . . . but all the P2Win stuff has gotten me to spend LESS money. In addition to being a VIP I used to buy a $50 bundle of points and spend it on stupid stuff whenever it was on sale. Cosmetics, name changes, LRs to fix something trivial, etc . . . I did so because I WANTED to because I liked the direction of the game and wanted to invest in it.

    Now? The devs are rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. I will be pleasantly surprised if this game isn't dead in 2014. What's the point in investing more money than I have to? I haven't bought points since MoTU.

    I hope those Otto's boxes are keeping the books balanced.

  11. #71
    Community Member CaptainPurge's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    771

    Default

    LFM says:

    Farming EE(item name), will pay you XXX plat to re-roll your loot, keep your loot but pass item. Plat paid to re-roll regardless if item shows up in the re-roll.
    Cannith: Ortarr (leader of Killer Dwarfs) - Purge Bravely - Drunkungfu Master - Ortarrdo Son of Ortarr - *others*

  12. #72
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,694

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    I can only speak for myself . . . but all the P2Win stuff has gotten me to spend LESS money. In addition to being a VIP I used to buy a $50 bundle of points and spend it on stupid stuff whenever it was on sale. Cosmetics, name changes, LRs to fix something trivial, etc . . . I did so because I WANTED to because I liked the direction of the game and wanted to invest in it.

    Now? The devs are rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. I will be pleasantly surprised if this game isn't dead in 2014. What's the point in investing more money than I have to? I haven't bought points since MoTU.

    I hope those Otto's boxes are keeping the books balanced.
    Agreed. Losing faith in the direction that the game is taking causes negative consequences, it screws one's mind. But once again I think it's possible to ignore it since there's no drawback to not taking part of it in reality. I see it as a way for other to maintain the game alive.

    I myself just dropped my sub, not because of the P2W elements (although that really did affect me when they just broke the plats economy without saying so... I had well over 10 million plats) but mostly because of the content and how I think that EDs broke all the possibility of builds. I think that's worse because it's directly linked to how we play/enjoy the game (and all end-game). I enjoyed grinding all those PLs in heroic content but now that i'm done and I don't see any reasons to actually play again unless I feel like playing x class for one life at one point. I'll just sub for 1 / 3 months if I feel that urge at some point.

    Otto's box might be the best thing they ever came with. They can keep people waiting and then just release them again for some quick money flow. It's genious combined with the TR system. It really is. Also added to the fact that people are on their toes about the change to xp. They must be selling like cupcakes.

    Edit: Oh and Epic TRs... more boxes to be sold. There has to be a hidden reason why it MUST take us back to level 1.
    Last edited by Azarddoze; 08-12-2013 at 09:56 AM.
    Kal Vas Flam... Corp Por... Corp Por

    ...And then there was silence

  13. #73
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    977

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    I hope those Otto's boxes are keeping the books balanced.
    Maybe... but after reading a thread about someone spending equivalent $30-$40 on random shots at cosmetic pets and seeing all the trade channel requests for certificates makes me think I've personally underestimated the amount of revenue Turbine gets for that stuff. The forums are, IMO, skewed to power gamers and the boxes get a lot of talk up here but how do actual paying players subdivide? I'm starting to think there are more players or at least similar numbers spending substantial $$$ on cosmetic stuff (pure entertainment value) than on "power" stuff.

    It's all speculation of course, but as long as we're going to attribute actions like selling otto's boxes to Turbine knowing they make a killing from them, then there is no reason not doing the same with the cosmetics. And since Turbine keeps introducing new pets and perking up their bundles with new cosmetic stuff like bladeforged outfits and goggles, then that is likely because they know those items also sell extremely well and could be as much or more a factor in keeping them in the black, right?

  14. #74
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,694

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hit_fido View Post
    Maybe... but after reading a thread about someone spending equivalent $30-$40 on random shots at cosmetic pets and seeing all the trade channel requests for certificates makes me think I've personally underestimated the amount of revenue Turbine gets for that stuff. The forums are, IMO, skewed to power gamers and the boxes get a lot of talk up here but how do actual paying players subdivide? I'm starting to think there are more players or at least similar numbers spending substantial $$$ on cosmetic stuff (pure entertainment value) than on "power" stuff.

    It's all speculation of course, but as long as we're going to attribute actions like selling otto's boxes to Turbine knowing they make a killing from them, then there is no reason not doing the same with the cosmetics. And since Turbine keeps introducing new pets and perking up their bundles with new cosmetic stuff like bladeforged outfits and goggles, then that is likely because they know those items also sell extremely well and could be as much or more a factor in keeping them in the black, right?
    Cosmetic also keeps a balance so there are players that will debate the fact that they are also trying to make money from non-P2W stuff, hence playing fair. Who could argue that cosmetic are a bad way to make money off players? Well... I guess I would be who am I to talk about that, I just wouldn't ever pay for that kind of stuff, it doesn't appeal to me. Different minded people makes for better interractions anyway.

    Everything we say is based off speculations. That guessing game is also not so healthy because it brings desillusion. Then comes doubts... etc. Best thing would be to just not bother in what we have no control over since it doesn't really harm us in this game. Like the difficulty isn't based on what can be bought.
    Last edited by Azarddoze; 08-12-2013 at 10:05 AM.
    Kal Vas Flam... Corp Por... Corp Por

    ...And then there was silence

  15. #75
    Community Member Teh_Troll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Under the bridge
    Posts
    5,874

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hit_fido View Post
    Maybe... but after reading a thread about someone spending equivalent $30-$40 on random shots at cosmetic pets and seeing all the trade channel requests for certificates makes me think I've personally underestimated the amount of revenue Turbine gets for that stuff. The forums are, IMO, skewed to power gamers and the boxes get a lot of talk up here but how do actual paying players subdivide? I'm starting to think there are more players or at least similar numbers spending substantial $$$ on cosmetic stuff (pure entertainment value) than on "power" stuff.

    It's all speculation of course, but as long as we're going to attribute actions like selling otto's boxes to Turbine knowing they make a killing from them, then there is no reason not doing the same with the cosmetics. And since Turbine keeps introducing new pets and perking up their bundles with new cosmetic stuff like bladeforged outfits and goggles, then that is likely because they know those items also sell extremely well and could be as much or more a factor in keeping them in the black, right?
    You're possibly right. Power-gamers forget that we are the minority, always have been. We all could leave and I don't think we'd affect the bottom line much, especially since most of use spend very little.

    It's gotta be making money, other-wise they wouldn't do it.

  16. #76
    Community Member Chai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Wisconsin, birthplace of D&D
    Posts
    20,954

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Once again, you don't know what your talking about. Do you ever read and comprehend what Turbine officials tell you?
    Yeap, and we have also compared and contrasted what we were told versus what actually happened, and enough of that was not on the money like it should have been, which teaches anyone paying attention to go into "believe it when I see it" mode.

    .
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

  17. #77
    Community Member
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    650

    Default

    Frankly i'm not too bothered with all the P2W added to the game (I absolutely consider the ASAH, the upgrade in Sagas and this rerolling to be P2W amongst other things), since i as solo player am so far largely unaffected by it (No competition and not really affected by other players).

    Should i start to feel like i need to pay astral shards to play how i normally do it's time to move on though (ie. need to use Astral shards to even have a remote chance at named items, the change to detect secret doors might actually be a step in that direction too).

  18. #78
    Community Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    977

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Azarddoze View Post
    Best thing would be to just not bother in what we have no control over since it doesn't really harm us in this game. Like the difficulty isn't based on what can be bought.
    You're well off to just think of modern MMO's as entertainment first and foremost and then decide what is actually entertaining to you. I assert that people opposed to what they consider pay to win or as I've seen it called recently pay to cheat derive their entertainment value largely from achievement or comparing their achievements with other players - being the first to do x, acquiring the most y, doing z the fastest. So anything they perceive as tilting the playing field toward players who pay for an advantage with cash is offensive to them. But there are now many more persons willing to play and spend on MMO's for entertainment value derived from things like social gameplay, virtual homes/pets, making their avatar look the way they want. Aka casual players. Somewhere in between may be players who still like to achieve and play well but only care within the context of their personal experience, eschewing competitive stuff like leaderboards and "world firsts".

    Looking through that lens, Turbine's best financial decision may well have been to sacrifice some of the players with that early adopter skill/achievement based motivation to pick up as much of the rest of the pie as they could.

  19. #79
    Community Member Grosbeak07's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Thelanis
    Posts
    7,590

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainPurge View Post
    LFM says:

    Farming EE(item name), will pay you XXX plat to re-roll your loot, keep your loot but pass item. Plat paid to re-roll regardless if item shows up in the re-roll.
    So what? Don't join the LFM. Just because it is there, doesn't mean you have to use it.

    I wouldn't join that LFM, I wouldn't do that kind of thing.

    Why would you?

    Tell me again how this would affect you adversely?
    Magical Rings are well... magical. - Gandalf

  20. #80
    Community Member Chai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Wisconsin, birthplace of D&D
    Posts
    20,954

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by hit_fido View Post
    Maybe... but after reading a thread about someone spending equivalent $30-$40 on random shots at cosmetic pets and seeing all the trade channel requests for certificates makes me think I've personally underestimated the amount of revenue Turbine gets for that stuff. The forums are, IMO, skewed to power gamers and the boxes get a lot of talk up here but how do actual paying players subdivide? I'm starting to think there are more players or at least similar numbers spending substantial $$$ on cosmetic stuff (pure entertainment value) than on "power" stuff.

    It's all speculation of course, but as long as we're going to attribute actions like selling otto's boxes to Turbine knowing they make a killing from them, then there is no reason not doing the same with the cosmetics. And since Turbine keeps introducing new pets and perking up their bundles with new cosmetic stuff like bladeforged outfits and goggles, then that is likely because they know those items also sell extremely well and could be as much or more a factor in keeping them in the black, right?
    The issue with that is the more they focus on this stuff, the less focus gets put on content, and quality of life stuff. People will buy cosmetics, and even p2w stuff, as long as the environment to use them in is interesting enough to keep those people interested. This is why content should be the number one priority. What Turbine did with the cash shop is untether the financial success of the game from the quality of the game itself. They no longer need the majority of users paying into the system, as long as a smaller amount is paying much more than the average user used to into the system. This challenged longevity however, as the average time those kinds of users play a game is far less than the die hards that used to be catered to. They can continue to do that as long as satisfying the wallet elite doesnt make everyone else lose interest, because even the shameless p2w crowd doesnt like logging into a ghost town.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

Page 4 of 10 FirstFirst 12345678 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

This form's session has expired. You need to reload the page.

Reload