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    Default Throwing Attack Speed Stealth nerf?

    Just did some testing on lamma ... and found something weird:

    Shuriken Attack Speed
    Halfling Ranger 8/Rogue 6/Monk 6/Epic 5 (on lamma: 8)
    Noteable feats: Rapid Shot, Quick Draw
    BAB 21 Live (U18):
    Base apm (attacks per minute): ~63,51 apm
    Wind Stance (7,5% throwing): ~65,22 apm
    Haste (22% ranged): ~68,57 apm
    WS + H: ~71,40 apm
    Whirling Wrist (60% throwing): ~78,29 apm
    WW + WS: ~79,87 apm
    WW + H: ~81,50 apm
    WW + H + WS: ~81,90 apm
    WW + H + WS + EotA:S (10% ranged+throwing): ~81,49 apm
    WW + H + WS + EotA:S + Haste Boost 3: ~83,64 apm

    BAB 22 Lammania (U19Beta3):
    Base: ~64,84 apm (vs. ~63,51 @ BAB 21)
    Ultimate Wind Stance (15% throwing): ~70,23 apm
    Haste (now only 15% ranged): ~70,37 apm (vs. ~68,57 apm @ BAB 21)
    UWS + H: ~71,31 (vs. 71,40 @ BAB 21)

    so far so good ... but now it gets creepy:
    Whirling Wrist (60% throwing): ~74,41 apm (vs. ~78,29 apm @ BAB 21)
    WW + UWS: ~77,36 apm (vs. 79,87 apm @ BAB 21)
    WW + H: ~77,69 apm (vs. 81,50 apm @ BAB 21)
    WW + H + UWS + EotA: ~78,41 apm (vs. 81,49 apm @ BAB 21)
    (skipped the Haste Boost test as I grew tired)

    Conclusion:
    Looks like Haste and Whirling Wrist both got a stealth nerf

    PS: I did the live server tests somewhen in june ...
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    Strange. Maybe they nerfed it because they plan to make ranged alacrity work on throwing weapons? But that would be too good to be true.

    One thing i noticed:

    WW + H + WS: ~81,90 apm
    WW + H + WS + EotA:S (10% ranged+throwing): ~81,49 apm
    Looks like EotA:S decreases your attacks per minute too?
    How accurate would you say are your measurements and how big is your potential error?

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    Could somebody clarify what "EotA:S" is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firewall View Post
    Strange. Maybe they nerfed it because they plan to make ranged alacrity work on throwing weapons? But that would be too good to be true.

    One thing i noticed:



    Looks like EotA:S decreases your attacks per minute too?
    How accurate would you say are your measurements and how big is your potential error?
    The error is around +/- 0.5 apm, maybe slightly more in some cases (up to +/- 0.7)
    The problem is that it is quite hard to make accurate measurements as animation and actual attacks do not match
    So basically in my testings EotA:S only showed a measurable effect in one combination:
    EotA:S + H + UWS: ~75.80 apm
    H + UWS: ~71.31 apm

    in all other combinations the measured difference was within the measurement error range (+/- 0.5 apm)
    This is of course another very weird thing, I have no explanation for ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreppo View Post
    Could somebody clarify what "EotA:S" is?
    EotA:S = Echoes of the Ancestors: Shirardi
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